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ShadowDragon8685
-2 dice pool versus Black IC (yeah, like mages are going to come up against those) and -2 against BTLs? (Again, like a mage is going to come up against BTLs.)

So I've had two characters with former decker backgrounds that have decided to Awaken. The backgrounds are good, but...

One of them is one of Dues' former Otaku kids, and one of them is a former decker. Both of them Awakened in the aftermath of the Crash, both have taken the Scorched flaw.

Good backgrounds, but they're trying to pull the wool over my eyes and get five free BP.

I don't think so.


So I was thinking I should pull out the SR3 companion and look up the rules for being conditioned by Psychotropic IC. If they're going to try and use Scorched to basically get free BP... I was thinking giving them a hard-on for megacorps that no longer exist might be fun. But what do you think?
James McMurray
There's really few possibilities:

1) disallow it
2) allow it
3) tack extra penalties on

I prefer #1, but haven't actually had to tell a player he couldn't have any flaws that wouldn't actually be flaws. I might crumble in the face of a good back story.

Speaking of good backstory, if the background for the scorched flaw opens up in game possibilities, that could be worth the extra build points, making extra penalties unnecessary.

Definitely don't give them extra penalties to start with, instead find a way to amke sure it comes up during the game. As only a 5 BP flaw, having it only come into play once or twice during his career is probably ok. A single kidnapping followed by BTL brainwashing can make them wonder if that extra skill point was worth it. smile.gif
FanGirl
I'd imagine that allergies to easily-avoided substances are a good way to trip people up, too. Like, you could have the Mafia or the Yakuza kidnap the guy who's allergic to vegetables and force-feed him broccoli until he talks.
hyzmarca
The ex-otaku and ex-decker should both have datajacks. Hot sim can be run through datajacks against their will if necessary.
Question, did they spend points on computer related skills?
If so, they may desire to use those skills in the future or be required to use those skills in the future. If not tell them that their backgrounds and skillsets are incongruant and one of them should be changed.
ShadowDragon8685
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=12505

One of 'em decided to ditch when I called him on it. The other one may or may not have seen it yet.

Basically, I told them "Install Datajacks (or calculate concomitant essence holes in the event your datajack was removed at some point,) and show me some decker and Otaku-related background skills, or change your backgrounds."

I dunno what his problem was. I wasen't flying into a rant, I was just saying "Gotcha". Oh well.

I don't like to flat-out disallow something, but... Meh.
Teulisch
scorched isnt just a decker thing. its good for people with a history of BTL abuse, even if they are not currently addicted. And remember, some places spam the airwaves with sim pop-up porn.
Dranem
That's the point.. you caught him at his game....

One more point I would like to place is that the Matrix Crash didn't Awaken people. Many people had no way out and got sucked in never to be seen again, but they didn't Awaken in the process. The Comet on the other hand did...

On the case of the Otaku, I could forgive it, as many Awaken after puberty... but it wouldn't have been the Crash that did it..

But yeah, if they're a decker in early life, then they should have the ware or essence loss and computer skills to back up their history. Otherwise they're just making it up for free bp.
SL James
You know, there is a whole forum about SR4 that isn't this one.
Brahm
@ShadowDragon8685

I'd say screw it too if my GM was a jerk and told me my charater had to install a Datajack. Datajacks are fully optional now since trodes are their performance equal. Even hardcore riggers and deckers that won't nessesarily get them. Most Technomancers, as a backup way to get hooked up EM interference free, are definately going to go trodes versus a Datajack. Also depending on how you want to play it you are vulnerable to Black IC in AR. If you read the shadowtalk about wierd Matrix events at the end of System Failure it is fairly suggestive that is a possibility.

Having to go without AR or risk getting IC dumped isn't a free ride at all. Worth 5 Build Points? Oh hell, it's only 5 Build Points. He didn't take all the hackerish negatives, did he?
ShadowDragon8685
SL James - yes, but this could just as easily be a former decker/otaku Awakening after the YotC and trying to take Scorched for free BP in SR3, too, without any cyber or essence lost. This is more of a general DMing advice question than anything that really relates to SR4.
ShadowDragon8685
Brahm, did you read the post?


The characters had datajacks back in the SR3 days, the days before the Crash. They HAD to have, to have been full Otaku/Deckers. Trodes just didn't work as well back then. One of them was one of Dues' ex-Otaku, the other was a Decker before the Crash.
Brahm
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2006, 10:24 PM)
Brahm, did you read the post?


The characters had datajacks back in the SR3 days, the days before the Crash. They HAD to have, to have been full Otaku/Deckers. Trodes just didn't work as well back then. One of them was one of Dues' ex-Otaku, the other was a Decker before the Crash.

I forgot to mention I am massively confused as to why a mage would have that in their background. But that's just a pen stroke to clear out. After all they don't actually have those decker/otaku skills on their character sheet, do they???

EDIT Besides you could be a decker with trodes in SR3. Just a really crappy one. smile.gif Theoretically an Otaku too, but you'd get laughed at by all the other Otakus. smile.gif Maybe he was one of Deus' wacked out experiements, but not so destructive in that the experiment was with cutting edge trodes? wink.gif Deus did tend to be ahead of the hardware curve.

Sorry, but sometimes I feel an incredible disconnect from people that do things like freak out on their players because their player just isn't following what would normally occur under hardware rules mechanics in a version of the game different than they are actually playing.
FanGirl
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2006, 10:24 PM)
Dues

Frag it, it's Deus, not Dues! D-E-U-S! Deus Deus Deus DEUS! GRAAAAAAAH!

FANGIRL SMASH!
caramel frappuccino
Wow, sure am glad I pulled outta that game in time.
hyzmarca
Yep. The decker could have decked with trodes but he would have been one of the most craptastic deckers around due to the resultant penalities. Heck, he wouldn't even need a deck. He could have just played around with his telecom and got creamed because telecoms don't have a masking rating.

The Otaku, on the other hand, requires a datajack. It is in the character creation rules for otaku. All otakus must have datajacks. The fact that he was a White also ensures that he will have cybereyes, a ceberal booster 2, and several other cyberware implants.
Of course, I'd offset the damaging essence loss by letting the character pre-initiate up to two times and I'd let it have a pet medusa drone just because of the brass ovaries required to take that kind of background. I mean, we don't know what happened to the AIs after the crash yet. GMs have free reign over them for the moment. Our Lord and Savior might be in the process of rebuilding his Network even as we speak and most nodes have always been unaware of their status as nodes.
James McMurray
Good job calling him on it. If you're gonna be an ex-decker, at least have some decking skills. smile.gif
Glyph
Scorched is hardly free points. BTLs are the drug of choice in SR, and I wouldn't put it past some shady dealers to offer a free "taste" to unwary people - those ubituous commlinks have a down side. And psychotropic mindbenders are probably a favored tactic of many corporations that nab a shadowrunner. It is a flaw that would probably come into play more than, say, someone's moderate allergy to gold. Plus, it hobbles a character with a Notoriety point right out of char-gen.
James McMurray
Being offered a free taste doesn't mean you'll take it. That part fo the flaw is only apparent if the player decides to make it be. The other side is up to the GM, and shouldn't be overdone when looked at as the downside of a 5 point flaw.

But then again, my players are frequently of the mentality that they'd rather die than be captured. I don't know why, but if I start tossing nonlethal attacks at them they hit the panic button and open up every trick they've got. Just a few EX Explosive rounds won't do that.
Dranem
Granted the Scorched Quality does have some major in game issues.

I think the biggest thing the GM was irked about is that the character's history file and their actual sheet didn't match up. All the unaccounted for BP costs in skills and lost magic points were not there - it was more the way they decided they were Scorched than the actual quality that we're truly discussing here.

It's like me saying that my character used to be a Face for the mob, yet have no charisma or knowledge skills to back it up.

[edit]
In my mind, it's more an issue of good role playing, rather than roll playing that's important. Your character's history isn't just some disjointed story for the sake of making your character 'sound neat', it should collaborate with the skills, proficiencies and flaws that you've chosen in your character sheet.

hyzmarca
Actually, it is easier to justisfy an ex-mob face with 1 CHA and no social skills than it is to justify an ex-decker with no essence loss.


I was the most charismatic and handsom person in the entire outfit. I was a skilled lawyer and a brilliant negotiator. Everybody loved me. Unfortunatly everybody was one person too many. Evilyn was Don Rigatoni's girl and everybody knew it. I had enough sense to stay away from her and turn down her every advance but the Don was a jealous man and couldn't stand the idea that Evilyn was obsessed with me even though he knew that I would never let her do anything about it.

Long story short. I caught three bullets with my face. They were big ones. .50 AE, I think they're called. They came outta a Super Warhawk. I recovered but I can't talk straight, I don't remember half the crap that I'm supposed to remember, and my face looks like it caught three bullets from a super warhawk.
Brahm
QUOTE (Dranem @ Apr 12 2006, 01:59 AM)
Granted the Scorched Quality does have some major in game issues.

I think the biggest thing the GM was irked about is that the character's history file and their actual sheet didn't match up.† All the unaccounted for BP costs in skills and lost magic points were not there - it was more the way they decided they were Scorched than the actual quality that we're truly discussing here.

That sounds like a really good guess. Which makes his approach even more bizzare to me. If it is just the backstory not matching the crunch numbers don't crap on the numbers or call the player on it for having a less stringent or weaker knowledge of SR history.

Help them by saying something like hey is that really wacked out background suppose to account for the Scorched? Because it just doesn't match up with the character numbers. Yes? Then how about a backstory that includes something like when these new cutting edge trodes came out you got drunk, thought you'd try out BTL with some junk your drinking buddies had bought, and the trip went really bad.

Or in the case of my own character, who doesn't have a lick of 'ware in him, I myself just don't know exactly what it was. Yet. He worked security so maybe he was checking out something and some IC went rogue and jumped up and bit him, or it was a bad BTL trip, or who knows what. Slim just is so wierded out that he has so far refused to given details about it to anyone that asked. Maybe we'll find out in the future. It's like a blank plot hook sitting there waiting to be used, with the lack of detail making it all the more flexible.

One of those less is more things.

Incidentally I play it that Slim is so wierded out that he basically refuses to go VR. Ever. That makes a huge amount of sense when you look at the dice numbers he'd roll if he got attacked. smile.gif

It really limits his vehicle piloting since he's only got 1 IP. This came up a couple of sessions ago too when Slim refused to go into a VR meeting. When he heard this the chuckle a minute team hacker decided it would be great laughs to send an AR mail with a dummy Aztech IC icon inside. The bastard will pay for that one. nyahnyah.gif
Brahm
QUOTE (FanGirl @ Apr 11 2006, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2006, 10:24 PM)
Dues

Frag it, it's Deus, not Dues! D-E-U-S! Deus Deus Deus DEUS! GRAAAAAAAH!

FANGIRL SMASH!

Your associating with Emo Samuri is starting to make a lot more sense. Or maybe it is just breaking your brain? Either way I'm really starting to dig the potential of pure, guilty pleasure entertainment value in your Lab Rat Diary's. cool.gif
FanGirl
I think it has more to do with the fact that Sci-Fi club (and our college, for that matter) atttracts a certain type of person than any influence that Emo may or may not have had on me. I've always been kinda nitpicky about things like spelling, so of course the butchering of Deus' name bothered me.
ShadowDragon8685
Oooofh... What hit me?

*picks self up off the ground.*

*reads the back-thread.* Hmmmmmmmmm... That point about the cyber that Deus' kids should've had is handy. Not that it matters since he decided to splitski, but thanks.
Platinum
QUOTE (Brahm @ Apr 12 2006, 03:39 AM)
QUOTE (Dranem @ Apr 12 2006, 01:59 AM)
Granted the Scorched Quality does have some major in game issues.

I think the biggest thing the GM was irked about is that the character's history file and their actual sheet didn't match up.  All the unaccounted for BP costs in skills and lost magic points were not there - it was more the way they decided they were Scorched than the actual quality that we're truly discussing here.

That sounds like a really good guess. Which makes his approach even more bizzare to me. If it is just the backstory not matching the crunch numbers don't crap on the numbers or call the player on it for having a less stringent or weaker knowledge of SR history.

Help them by saying something like hey is that really wacked out background suppose to account for the Scorched? Because it just doesn't match up with the character numbers. Yes? Then how about a backstory that includes something like when these new cutting edge trodes came out you got drunk, thought you'd try out BTL with some junk your drinking buddies had bought, and the trip went really bad.

Or in the case of my own character, who doesn't have a lick of 'ware in him, I myself just don't know exactly what it was. Yet. He worked security so maybe he was checking out something and some IC went rogue and jumped up and bit him, or it was a bad BTL trip, or who knows what. Slim just is so wierded out that he has so far refused to given details about it to anyone that asked. Maybe we'll find out in the future. It's like a blank plot hook sitting there waiting to be used, with the lack of detail making it all the more flexible.

One of those less is more things.

Incidentally I play it that Slim is so wierded out that he basically refuses to go VR. Ever. That makes a huge amount of sense when you look at the dice numbers he'd roll if he got attacked. smile.gif

It really limits his vehicle piloting since he's only got 1 IP. This came up a couple of sessions ago too when Slim refused to go into a VR meeting. When he heard this the chuckle a minute team hacker decided it would be great laughs to send an AR mail with a dummy Aztech IC icon inside. The bastard will pay for that one. nyahnyah.gif

Or you can just fess up that you are a munchkin, and want to hide it by trying to work in a weak background. (scorched from trodes?? Do you also take incompetence computer and computer b/r for additional points?) We need an eyes rolling smiley.
toturi
QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Actually, it is easier to justisfy an ex-mob face with 1 CHA and no social skills than it is to justify an ex-decker with no essence loss.


I was the most charismatic and handsom person in the entire outfit. I was a skilled lawyer and a brilliant negotiator. Everybody loved me. Unfortunatly everybody was one person too many. Evilyn was Don Rigatoni's girl and everybody knew it. I had enough sense to stay away from her and turn down her every advance but the Don was a jealous man and couldn't stand the idea that Evilyn was obsessed with me even though he knew that I would never let her do anything about it.

Long story short. I caught three bullets with my face. They were big ones. .50 AE, I think they're called. They came outta a Super Warhawk. I recovered but I can't talk straight, I don't remember half the crap that I'm supposed to remember, and my face looks like it caught three bullets from a super warhawk.

Eh? I don't why a hacker with no essense loss (in SR4) would be so hard to justify in SR4. In the rules setting of SR4, it is perfectly RAW legal to do that and be as good at hacking as any other hacker. It is a whole paradigm shift, the game world is radically different now. So yes, it sounds perfectly plausible to me.

Munchkining the Flaw would be doing this (in SR3): PC was exposed to psychotropic conditioning while PC was in the military. They did some strange things to his head. But he knows this for a fact, he cannot be compelled to confess or do anything against his will, ever: not torture, not mind-reading, not spells, nothing, cause the Black IC said so.

Now that is munchkinning. The 6 essense ex-hacker is perfectly legit, IMO.

QUOTE (Platinium)
Or you can just fess up that you are a munchkin, and want to hide it by trying to work in a weak background. (scorched from trodes?? Do you also take incompetence computer and computer b/r for additional points?) We need an eyes rolling smiley.


That's perfectly legal RAW.
ShadowDragon8685
Toturi, the 6 Essense Hacker is legit.....

In 2070. Not if you were a hacker or an otaku back in 2064 or before. Trodes before the Matrix 2.0 sucked balls and didn't work well enough to do deckery things, and you flat-out required a datajack to be an Otaku.
Platinum
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it isn't munchkin. I know because I am one (well just a number crunching min/maxer). I don't carry around assault cannons and wear military armour.
toturi
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Toturi, the 6 Essense Hacker is legit.....

In 2070. Not if you were a hacker or an otaku back in 2064 or before. Trodes before the Matrix 2.0 sucked balls and didn't work well enough to do deckery things, and you flat-out required a datajack to be an Otaku.

Yeah, but guess what? SR3 does not equal SR4, you know? Not even the fluff. When I run a SR4 game, I throw everything out and input everything new. So even if SR3 flatout says otaku needs a jack or else no-otaku, unless SR4 says the same, it is just old news(canon SR3, but not SR4) to me, even if the PC is an ex-otaku.

The only way for SR3 otaku requirements can get into SR4 is conversion. If a player wants to convert his SR3 otaku, then yes, the otaku will have a datajack. But that is because the PC already has a datajack.
Dranem
Toturi, just what kind of stuff have you been smoking? The history or Shadowrun includes the rules, technology and history of SR3, it doesn't just ignore it! Man, read the history at the beginning of the book man!

If someone claims that they were a hacker or Otaku before the Matrix 2, they have to have the skills, ware or essence holes to back that up. Because datajacks were required to hack in the Matrix before the crash, trode sets were only one-way receivers, the user had no control over the flow of information.

If you have a pure body and put in your history that 'oh, I used to be a hacker' then you have a half-baked excuse for a negative quality that you shouldn't have. A good role-player will have the skills and attributes to back their history.

The way you put it, any knob could put say "I was an ex-marine sharpshooter" in their background and have not weapons skills whatsoever, and you'd be kosher with that. I'll make sure that you'll never be my GM if you allow that kind of lack of plausibility in your campaigns.
James McMurray
Maybe he used one too many hacker BTLs and is now convinced that he actually was one? smile.gif
ShadowDragon8685
He'd still have to have a datajack for that, woulden't he?
James McMurray
Did you need a datajack for BTLs? Maybe he used those BTLs in 2069, they were just all set in Deus's nightmare city, so he's convinced that's where he picked up his decker skills.
Dranem
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
He'd still have to have a datajack for that, woulden't he?

Actually trode-set Simsense BTLs were common even in SR3.. cause like I said before the new tech, trode were one-way devices. Receivers only.
ShadowDragon8685
Oh, cool.

But wait, dosen't your head need to be shaved for 'trodes? How does a dirt-poor person afford shavings?
Platinum
QUOTE (Dranem)
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 13 2006, 09:52 PM)
He'd still have to have a datajack for that, woulden't he?

Actually trode-set Simsense BTLs were common even in SR3.. cause like I said before the new tech, trode were one-way devices. Receivers only.

are you sure?? I can see simsense being able to be used with trodes ... but BTL should have the RAS filter removed and the safety feedback levels as well. It might be later.... but trode btl just doesn't make sense. trodes would be BTM ... better than movies ... not life.
Kremlin KOA
ya needed a BTL enabled simdeck with trides minimum

Dranem your interpretation means several fo my old SR3 chars suddenly drop dead when the edition changes

Also in the streetfighter RPG Guile the US SPec forces guy, had no gun skills
Dranem
Many deckers did die during the Crash, either sucked into the void or died of lethal dumpshock when the drek hit the fan. (even says so in the RAW)

Note in my example I said Ex-marine Sharpshooter. You don't become an expert marksman with no gun skills.
Kremlin KOA
Actually I was referring to some of my street samurai types
Platinum
QUOTE (Dranem)
Many deckers did die during the Crash, either sucked into the void or died of lethal dumpshock when the drek hit the fan. (even says so in the RAW)

Note in my example I said Ex-marine Sharpshooter. You don't become an expert marksman with no gun skills.

they died from the thought of everything going wireless. I died a little inside as well.
Dranem
One mistake I've notices is that many people assume that everything is wireless. Well, being a tech myself, there's only so much infrastructure overhaul you can do in 5 years... there still are wired networks here and there. In fact some of the old hubs probably act as a backup backbone to boost bandwidth.

That's how I run my games. Some slummier zones still have semi-active wire trucks that you can patch into where wireless access points are few and far between.
Platinum
You should know better than that. It is against cannon to use common sense or applicable knowledge when it comes to metaplot.

Several people tried explaining that a loooonnnggg time ago, but after the someone pulled the "you have no idea what the future will hold card" I just gave up. It was clear that nothing short of beating common sense into people was going to work and my fingers were getting tired.
Unrest
Only just noticed this thread. Note I was the ex-hacker he was talking about in his opening remark, not the otaku other one. I had decided to make a mystic adept who was ignorant in summoning, mainly just because I wanted to try something new. To explain why he wouldn't have any knowledge I went with the concept that he had only just learned of his awakened status in the last few years and had chosen to study spells instead of spirits. Note however I didn't want a completely green character so I decided he had started his career as a hacker to augment his running experience.

I added some very light computer skills and again they were light for a reason. My chracter was a hacker before the crash. As in seven years ago. A person who hasn't touched a system in seven years isn't exactly going to have much skill anymore when facing modern day wireless technology.

What is with the pulling a fast one nonsense? This character couldn't use one of the most powerful abilities awakened have available and I spent about 20 bp's and 1 of my only 2 adept points in enhancing the use of my one combat skill, blade weapons with a knife specialization. One of the weakest melee weapons in the game. And you actually believe after gutting my characters combat ability with those two moves 5 bp's are going to make any difference at all?

I find it even more humorous you make an entire thread picking a fight with these two people in real life instead of just talking to them about your concerns privately. And I really hope your not still wondering why every interested player on this board bailed on your game.
James McMurray
Without touching on anyhting else, since I haven't seent eh sheet or the background and was admittedly only going off of one side of the story, I will say that if you were a decker 7 years ago, you've got a datajack or a hole where it used to be.
toturi
QUOTE (Dranem)
Toturi, just what kind of stuff have you been smoking? The history or Shadowrun includes the rules, technology and history of SR3, it doesn't just ignore it! Man, read the history at the beginning of the book man!

If someone claims that they were a hacker or Otaku before the Matrix 2, they have to have the skills, ware or essence holes to back that up. Because datajacks were required to hack in the Matrix before the crash, trode sets were only one-way receivers, the user had no control over the flow of information.

If you have a pure body and put in your history that 'oh, I used to be a hacker' then you have a half-baked excuse for a negative quality that you shouldn't have. A good role-player will have the skills and attributes to back their history.

The way you put it, any knob could put say "I was an ex-marine sharpshooter" in their background and have not weapons skills whatsoever, and you'd be kosher with that. I'll make sure that you'll never be my GM if you allow that kind of lack of plausibility in your campaigns.

That is untrue. For SR4 (the edition), history is from p22 to p50 SR4(the book), the only other canon SR4 history is in System Failure. Any other "history"(SR1, 2, 3) isn't written in stone and if the writers decide to turn back time, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

So pop quiz, boy, does anything in SR4 p22 to p50 say that ex-otaku MUST have a datajack? I read my canon very thoroughly, unlike you. So what have you been smoking? Read the history in the beginning of the book carefully. You assumed that ex-otakus must have a datajack. I say, nothing in the books(SR4 edition) says so.

If the authors want to say that ex-otakus must have datajacks, they are free to do so, because it isn't written in SR4 yet. If they want to say that by some miracle, some otakus in SR3 could already use the Matrix wirelessly except that those were NPCs then, it is their right as well. Until such a time, nobody else can say for certain.

Furthermore according to SR3 canon, while it is a must for a full-fledged otaku to have a datajack, a recruit/candidate does not.
QUOTE (p134 Matrix)
Once a child is accepted into an otaku tribe, he undergoes a probationary period. During this time, he begins to learn the ways of the Matrix.... After an unspecified period of time, a recruit either leaves the otaku community or accepts a datajack implant and begins running on hot decks.

The passage continues to use both candidates and otakus almost interchangeably. From this passage it seems to me, an ex-otaku can be one that was part of an otaku tribe but had not accepted the datajack.
Edward
I would allow it provided they took the skills to back up there background. Namely a computer and hacking of at least 2 (min dice pool 5) that will cost more build points than the flaw will get them and they wonít see much use out of those skills. And althow thay may no longer have there data jacks there essence will be down because of it, (with the new technology they may have replaced there data jacks with something more useful). This to me is about valid background and skill correlations, and would apply even if you didnít have the flaw.

Although people didnít get awakened buy the crash there where still the normal number of people awakening during it.

It dose specifically say in the rules that AR doesnít allow black IC to attack you, especially seeing as most mages interface with black IC threw display glasses.

toturi. A 6 essence hacker may be perfectly legit.

A 6 essence ex-Decker from before the last crash is not.


Trodes in SR3 where not one way, just s l o w.

Edward
hyzmarca
QUOTE (James McMurray)
Without touching on anyhting else, since I haven't seent eh sheet or the background and was admittedly only going off of one side of the story, I will say that if you were a decker 7 years ago, you've got a datajack or a hole where it used to be.

I agree. That was my entire point. An SR3 era decker is pretty much useless without a datajack. Unrest, uf your character has one, or an essence hole, then shadowdragon has no right to complain. The minor disadvantage of magic loss can easily be offset with enhancing cyberware.



toturi, when I think of an ex-otaku I think of a faded otaku. Your interpertation may be correct in some cases. However, it is not correct in this case. The ex-otaku in question was a White. He may not have even been a real Otaku with powers outside of SCIRE which would help explain his awakening.

As a White the character would have been implanted with a Comlink, a Carcerand Release Reciever, Cyberears, Cybereyes, a Snake-eyes link, an Invoked Memory Stimulator, a Datajack, a Ceberal Booster 2, and a BTL stimulator (if he was unwilling).
toturi
QUOTE (Edward)
toturi. A 6 essence hacker may be perfectly legit.

A 6 essence ex-Decker from before the last crash is not.


Trodes in SR3 where not one way, just s l o w.

Edward

Edward: A 6 essense ex-decker is legit from SR3. He would just be not a good decker. nyahnyah.gif
mfb
trodes weren't that slow. they weren't insanely fast, vaguely comparable to using boosted reflexes instead of wired. speed is nice in the Matix, but sneakiness trumps it.
Dranem
Toturi, I find it ironic how you stubbornly stick to the history of the SR4 book to try to justify your point that it doesn't specify what made up an Otaku. And in the same post you quickly drop down to a SR3 splat book to prove a futile attempt that said character may have only been an Otaku candidate.

If you're going to stick to your guns about only following the RAW of SR4, saying that is all that matters, then you should stick to your mantra instead of shooting yourself in the foot.
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