Full Version: Where's the metahuman love?
| QUOTE (Dog) |
| Ork chicks look relatively hot because it's RPG art. There's a rule written somewhere that every female in every RPG picture is absolutely smokin' as a default. |
Not true. 99% of ork females in SR art look like a mass of warts and puss. Remember the Street Shaman from SR3? Good lord, my eyes. My freaking eyes.
Also, tusks do not equal drooling. Elephants and walruses have tusks, and neither is known for drooling.
| QUOTE (Dog @ Aug 11 2006, 07:09 PM) |
| Ork chicks look relatively hot because it's RPG art. There's a rule written somewhere that every female in every RPG picture is absolutely smokin' as a default. |
Not every female. The Troll Rat Shaman bears a strong resemblance to a bulldog - not in a good way.
The human Technomancer ain't no dish, either. She looks like she has some really awful plastic surgery.
I'd probably rule that the "ugly" orks and trolls seen so often are the result of bad healthcare and hard living. Take a walk through your local skid row (on second thought, don't actually do that), and you'll see some familiar faces. Drugs, exposure, age, bad diet...it's written all over their faces.
Your more cosmopolitan orks and trolls, like the Gunslinger adept, the Merc from SR3, or the Enforcer from SR4, are eating 3 (or more) square meals a day, living in an apartment, and probably using some skincare products.
Personally, I'd always interpeted the shorter lifespan as being for similar reasons, rather than overly rapid aging. After all, the troll lifespan is only about ten years short of the human worldwide lifespan...and it was listed at a time when Trolls were known for mostly living in the wilderness, and doing dangerous jobs (heavy industrial lifting, enforcers, shadowrunning). Consider how skewed the data for orks must be; most of them don't have SINs, a huge number of them died young during the Night of Rage, and the majority of them still live in slums where nobody's life expectancy goes too far past 30. Just sayin'.
Your more cosmopolitan orks and trolls, like the Gunslinger adept, the Merc from SR3, or the Enforcer from SR4, are eating 3 (or more) square meals a day, living in an apartment, and probably using some skincare products.
Personally, I'd always interpeted the shorter lifespan as being for similar reasons, rather than overly rapid aging. After all, the troll lifespan is only about ten years short of the human worldwide lifespan...and it was listed at a time when Trolls were known for mostly living in the wilderness, and doing dangerous jobs (heavy industrial lifting, enforcers, shadowrunning). Consider how skewed the data for orks must be; most of them don't have SINs, a huge number of them died young during the Night of Rage, and the majority of them still live in slums where nobody's life expectancy goes too far past 30. Just sayin'.
I can tell you why orks and trolls and dwarves don't get no love.
It's simple, it's not fair, but it's true.
Do you want to shag an ork or a troll or a dwarf? Would you rather shag an elf or a human?
If you answered yes to the first or no to the second, you have some serious wierdness going on about you.
If you answered no to the first and yes to the second, you've hit it on the head. Sex. People write about and draw what they'd like to shag, most of the time.
Ofcourse, that's ultrasimplified, but it's basically true.
It's simple, it's not fair, but it's true.
Do you want to shag an ork or a troll or a dwarf? Would you rather shag an elf or a human?
If you answered yes to the first or no to the second, you have some serious wierdness going on about you.
If you answered no to the first and yes to the second, you've hit it on the head. Sex. People write about and draw what they'd like to shag, most of the time.
Ofcourse, that's ultrasimplified, but it's basically true.
Hey, just because I've had fantasies about fucking one of my female PCs...
| QUOTE (JonathanC) |
| Also, tusks do not equal drooling. Elephants and walruses have tusks, and neither is known for drooling. |
While they do have tusks, theirs hang down. Ork and Troll tusks protrude up from their lower jaws.
| QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) |
| What about dwarf ladies then? They're the right height. *insert rimshot* |
Are you suggesting they're useful for more than resting your beer on their heads?
Lucifer Deck had Pita, an ork go ganger as one of the main characters.
dwarf women are usually portrayed as very busty.
dwarf women are usually portrayed as very busty.
The one redeeming quality of many short women.
The new book "Aftershock" features a whole team of metas (A troll, an ork, and two elves) with the troll playing to most prominent roll. So not all the books favor humans.
| QUOTE (SL James) | ||
While they do have tusks, theirs hang down. Ork and Troll tusks protrude up from their lower jaws. |
Sure, but that doesn't mean they drool. A human with an underbite problem drools because our skulls aren't built for that kind of thing. I imagine a humanoid for whom upward protruding tusks are a natural thing wouldn't constantly drool, seeing as constant drooling isn't really an adaptive feature (ergo, it would have bred out of orks and trolls).
This is also why the Gungslinger Adept's tusks, which are smaller, make a lot of sense.
| QUOTE (hyzmarca) |
| Trolls could be pretty sexy, too. They've got tusks and horns. Calcium deposits in the dermis can be sexy, too. The only problem is that I've never seen an official image of an sexy troll woman with feminine horns and sexy dermal deposits. Now, there was that one piece of Earthdawn fanart posted a while back, but I don't think that would count. |
...gotta get a scan posted of Babydoll the troll face adept.
Some people may call this troll sexy. Some people may also need to be cleansed from the Earth with holy fire of The Burning.
| QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
And one of the premiere metageneticists in the world, self taught. [ Spoiler ] |
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Hey, you should learn to appreciate the beauty in women of all metatypes!
That's why I want to make a cute 'n perky troll character someday. Her name will be Muffy, she'll be a former high school cheerleader, and she'll never be seen in anything but the latest cute-yet-practical fashions for the double-plus-sized woman.
EDIT: I admit that I have a special affinity for halflings - as well as kender, God help me - but because there are no halflings in SR, I naturally gravitate towards their closest equivalent. The only problem I would have with being a dwarf woman is that most dwarf men would likely have lots of facial hair, which I don't find attractive (bring on the bishies!). I doubt that many of them would be willing to sacrifice their beloved beards for the love of a woman, so the dating pool would sadly be quite low.
That's why I want to make a cute 'n perky troll character someday. Her name will be Muffy, she'll be a former high school cheerleader, and she'll never be seen in anything but the latest cute-yet-practical fashions for the double-plus-sized woman.
EDIT: I admit that I have a special affinity for halflings - as well as kender, God help me - but because there are no halflings in SR, I naturally gravitate towards their closest equivalent. The only problem I would have with being a dwarf woman is that most dwarf men would likely have lots of facial hair, which I don't find attractive (bring on the bishies!). I doubt that many of them would be willing to sacrifice their beloved beards for the love of a woman, so the dating pool would sadly be quite low.
Although I do remember several dwarves being shown having facial hair there are pictures of clean-shaven dwarves as well in SR, so at least in my campaigns that old DnD carry-over is dead... *winks*
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| Hey, you should learn to appreciate the beauty in women of all metatypes! That's why I want to make a cute 'n perky troll character someday. Her name will be Muffy, she'll be a former high school cheerleader, and she'll never be seen in anything but the latest cute-yet-practical fashions for the double-plus-sized woman. |
Funny you should mention that, I was kinda working on an NPC with this thread in mind. I built her as a starting PC, just to test out some ideas. I actually like the concept enough to maybe adapt it for a character, should I ever get the opportunity to play (GMs for SR are scarce in my neck of the woods). Critiques of the character or the stats are welcome.
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| QUOTE (JonathanC) | ||
Funny you should mention that, I was kinda working on an NPC with this thread in mind. I built her as a starting PC, just to test out some ideas. I actually like the concept enough to maybe adapt it for a character, should I ever get the opportunity to play (GMs for SR are scarce in my neck of the woods). Critiques of the character or the stats are welcome. [ Spoiler ] |
One of my old players has you both beat by almost two years. Very funny, so I encourage you both to try it. I remember my friend "adopting" a hell-hound out of a corp kill zone. It never stopped trying to kill her, and she just referred to her unarmed combat actions as "petting."
Here's a female ork who's not half bad, for those trying to find such images. The comic is basically straight fantasy (with the odd bit of higher tech dropped in), not SR, but Melna is still an ork (not the girl in the title, that's Luna - she's human aside from the tusks).
Only shows her face, but anyone willing to read back a bit would see more of her.
Only shows her face, but anyone willing to read back a bit would see more of her.
| QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) |
| Would you rather shag an elf or a human? |
Both, please.
Who wouldn't?
| QUOTE (Dog) | ||||
One of my old players has you both beat by almost two years. Very funny, so I encourage you both to try it. I remember my friend "adopting" a hell-hound out of a corp kill zone. It never stopped trying to kill her, and she just referred to her unarmed combat actions as "petting." |
LOL...so playing a troll mage is like trying to scratch a hellhound behind the ears?
I suspect it may be true, hence why I'm just using this for an NPC. Though there are things about it that I like...nice spell resistance, nice physical damage resistance, decent spell list, etc. I've never been so strapped for points building at 400BP though. 40BP for a race is harsh (but necessary).
Having not read the entire thread, do you think that a member of a particular metatype would be attracted to members of the same metatype most commonly? If they were all just attracted to elf women, you'd run out of the other types pretty quickly.
I play an ork in my game. I play him as a city-dweller who is used to being around all the races, and he can, on occasion, find merit in elf beauty, but is mostly interested in ork women.
Having said that, it's probably a lot like real life, where the media has a lot of influece to the point where we're we're actually turned away from healthy, child-bearing hips, and reasonable body-fat levels, and toward supermodels. I think staring at fabulous elves on bilboards can have an effect.
Dread Polack
I play an ork in my game. I play him as a city-dweller who is used to being around all the races, and he can, on occasion, find merit in elf beauty, but is mostly interested in ork women.
Having said that, it's probably a lot like real life, where the media has a lot of influece to the point where we're we're actually turned away from healthy, child-bearing hips, and reasonable body-fat levels, and toward supermodels. I think staring at fabulous elves on bilboards can have an effect.
Dread Polack
Isn't that like asking the same thing about dating within one's race/ethnicity now? Of course they would as a matter of necessity for procreation.
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| Isn't that like asking the same thing about datign within one's race/ethnicity now? Of course they would as a matter of necessity for procreation. |
Err...you are aware that it is possible to procreate with a person outside of your race/ethnicity, right?
No, because I am an idiot who was raised on Jupiter.
Possibly. I think most can agree that there are beautiful memebers of all races, but many (most?) of us find ourselves tending toward some more than others.
Last I heard, Indian women have won more world-wide beauty pageants than any other ethnicity.
The difference between a troll and a dwarf is a lot more than the difference between a Norwegian and an Australian Aboriginee.
I guess the point is that there seem to be two forces pulling toward reproduction- a biological attraction to certain features, and completely manufactured fashion trends. There's a balance somewhere between them. Both occur at the same time and neither wins.
Dread Polack
Last I heard, Indian women have won more world-wide beauty pageants than any other ethnicity.
The difference between a troll and a dwarf is a lot more than the difference between a Norwegian and an Australian Aboriginee.
I guess the point is that there seem to be two forces pulling toward reproduction- a biological attraction to certain features, and completely manufactured fashion trends. There's a balance somewhere between them. Both occur at the same time and neither wins.
Dread Polack
| QUOTE (SL James) |
| No, because I am an idiot who was raised on Jupiter. |
I only asked since you seemed to be suggesting that "of course" people would tend to date within their race/ethnicity, for reasons of "necessity of procreation".
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time I've met someone with faulty information on biology and science.
| QUOTE (Dread Polack) |
| Possibly. I think most can agree that there are beautiful memebers of all races, but many (most?) of us find ourselves tending toward some more than others. Last I heard, Indian women have won more world-wide beauty pageants than any other ethnicity. The difference between a troll and a dwarf is a lot more than the difference between a Norwegian and an Australian Aboriginee. I guess the point is that there seem to be two forces pulling toward reproduction- a biological attraction to certain features, and completely manufactured fashion trends. There's a balance somewhere between them. Both occur at the same time and neither wins. Dread Polack |
SR3 explicitly stated that the metahuman races could all procreate with one another, though the practical problems with this (dwarves and trolls getting together, for example) were never addressed (which is probably for the best).
Hmmm... sounds like we need to have a new sourcebook, one covering sex in Srun. Nah, let's not, otherwise it'll be like that other book I've heard about made for the dnd system which I'll label as the book that shall not be metioned.
I know the solution: Male trolls offset their focus on size elsewhere in the body by being really tiny in two areas. One is the brain. The other uses the same blood supply.
| QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) |
| Hmmm... sounds like we need to have a new sourcebook, one covering sex in Srun. Nah, let's not, otherwise it'll be like that other book I've heard about made for the dnd system which I'll label as the book that shall not be metioned. |
Besides, it's not that good anyway.
| QUOTE (LilithTaveril) |
| I know the solution: Male trolls offset their focus on size elsewhere in the body by being really tiny in two areas. One is the brain. The other uses the same blood supply. |
Actually, I believe that's true of most animals. Larger creatures tend to have a smaller ratio going when it comes to these things.
| QUOTE (JonathanC) |
| SR3 explicitly stated that the metahuman races could all procreate with one another, though the practical problems with this (dwarves and trolls getting together, for example) were never addressed (which is probably for the best). |
You're right, and I knew this, but I conveniently forgot it while I made my last post.
I imagine this creates quite a dilema for some in the sixth world...
Dread Polack
| QUOTE (JonathanC) | ||||
No, the Gungslinger Adept does not have the Human Looking quality. I have the more recent printing of the book, and I also checked the errata. Not in there. |
Maybe the character sheet of the gun adept (ready for play) don't have it; but the ork on the picture shure does...
Did anyone mention the novel 'Never trust an Elf' that features Kahm the ork as main character? That must have sliped through the conspiracy´s fingers.
| QUOTE (MK Ultra) |
| Did anyone mention the novel 'Never trust an Elf' that features Kahm the ork as main character? That must have sliped through the conspiracy´s fingers. |
Nope.
| QUOTE (zeb.hillard) | ||
It's not a new book by any shot, but Never Deal With an Elf had one of the best orks I've ever ready about in it. Karm (I know, I'm misspelling his name horribly), who was a friend of Dodger, Ghost-Who-Walks-Inside, and Sally Tsung. Might be worth picking up sometime if you don't have it. |
And it's Kham the Ork.
Never trust an elf's main character is an ork. Also, the main character of "Changeling" is a troll.
| QUOTE (SL James @ Aug 14 2006, 03:54 PM) | ||
Besides, it's not that good anyway. |
Which one? There's more than one D&D oriented sex book. I havn't read any of the professionally published books, but the Carnal netbook has some good ideas.
Really, you have to love any book that presents rules for giving birth and requires a random Fetal Alcool Syndrome roll if the mother was a drinker.
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