With all this Pendragon stuff I've been thinking more about some of the other plots. I was thinking mostly about Schwartzkopf, and why someone would want to kill his drake. After all, he's just hanging out, not bothering anyone. So I figured, maybe that's why. After all, you've got this way magic saavy great dragon with the beginnings of a loyal follow of mages just sitting in Prague.

So who would want to piss him off? Well, He seemed to think that a prime suspect was Lowfyr, since he seems to like pissing in everyone else'e pot anyways (SoE says he visted both Lowfyr and Ghostwalker almost immediately). So maybe that rep was why. What if it was someone in the little anti-Lowfyr conspiracy that offed his drake to rile him up, and get a replacement going for Nachmeister. I don't know if Spinrad is that hardcore, but if say Aithne was involved, he'd sure have the means, and the will.

Looking for thoughts mostly and if anyone else has been doing anything with this little plot thread to develop it more.

I don't think he visited Loffie and Pale-n-Scaly because he suspected them of the deed. I think it more likely that he visited the two beings that he knew would be able to assist him in finding some answers (and who he could at least semi-trust). Loffie has a great mundane network of informants, and Ghostwalker's abilities with the Spirit world are supposedly insurpassable.

Why not just go to the Guild of Seers then? Lowfyr would certainly be up there on the list. After all, he moved against Mujaji (DoSW) just 'cause he could. I don't really see Swartzy asking for help. Especially from a cold bastartd like Lowfyr. Imagine what he would have to give in return.

The question is who is anti dragon in Europe. lets list the suspects and take em out one by one.

Black Lodge

Who said it was another dragon that gave the order for the kill? As you said, Schwarztie is collection loyal spell-slingers around him - that group could have enemies other than dragons.

yeah, the drake owed the mob money from gambling debts and cheap hookers. Silly Schwarty, it was the Vory all along!

They would have got away with it to, if it wasn't for you darn kids, and your Drop Bear!

There's the dragon who's a big music fan - so why not a game-addicted drake?

Poor Loffie is so misunderstood.

Like me at home...

Damn, I really missed your point then.

Ever think of becoming a freelancer and work on some plots?

I figure half the users on DS have.

yeah, I couldn't deal with James's critcism anyways.

My wife is actually REALLY scary good at predicting the metaplot. Not intentionally, jsut runs games that come out right along what eventually happens in the plot. Me, I'd rather just draw stuff.

If you could avoid transforming into a Ball Of Shining Hate you would be a great critic. I really enjoy reading most of your theories and comments (the Colloton-coup in SF, i.e.)

Thanks.

I'd say more about that, but... I won't for now.

Ohhh.... come on... just a little!

We grow through adversity. Having your work "work brutally savaged by demanding people" isn't always a bad thing. I wouldn't be up for it except for on my drawing, because it's something I want to improve on. You get to a point in your work where to improve, people have to be very exacting, I would say harsh, to get things to the next level.

I'd use Brom as an example. He's my favorite artist. I think my stuff is decent but he's just levels upon levels WAY above what I can do. And he does it all with paint. The preciseness and detail the guy gets just amazes me. A really good writer is the same way. The creativeness, they way they use words to draw people in , establish a setting, a person, a feel, is hard to do consistantly. A lot of times we like to do things certain ways, but those ways don't always work to get a project off with a more finished, more perfected look/feel. It's very hard to do all that and make it feel natural.

So yeah, getting to that level is hard, and dealing with all the breaking down of self is very hard. I guess boot camp would be a good example. It's hard as hell, especially on the person being broken down. But the people doing the savaging do it to help, not to ruin the person. If James is at the level where he has to go through that, and more so that he did go through that, and on top of it is still trying, then James man, you've got my respect.

Thats not bad its beter than a lot of people! If i needed an illustrator I would tap you.

I didn't say it was bad, but it isn't great either.

Include the idea of a drake addicted to Black Jack and Hookers, who's owes a lot of favour (and/or a lot of money) to the Mafia. That would be an unexpected twist for your players, I'm sure.
Especially when the drake is forced to hire runner for wetworking his master, because his friends in the Mafia want that.

*hangs head, walks away*

Sorry.




Had some cocktails earlier this evening...

If your Drake got whacked, the first two people you'd talk to would be Lofwyr and Icewing, because:

1. Lofwyr is a total cock.
2. Noone is better at using forensic magic (or any magic) on a drake than Dollmaker

Which means that the most likely suspects for whacking him are Lofwyr and Ghostwalker, because having assassins kill one of the 'Kopfs' friends would be a sure fire way to invite him to dinner.

But the next most likely is anyone who didn't like the Kopf and wasn't a powerful immortal. Swarzkopf is going to suspect mundane assassination last, so really by the time he even entertains the idea the trail is going to be ice cold. As the Russian Court, the Vory, the Hungarian Resistance League, or anyone else who wants there to be less draconic influence in Eastern Europe, you can probably just shoot his drakes and he won't figure it out.

It's a very safe way to piss in a dragon's Cheerios actually. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

-Frank

You are my new hero. How to make a elaborate plot of my idea... that's great, man.

What can you say? It's Frank! I need to pick his brain about bugs sometime. I bet cha he gots some sick and twisted theories on why they opperate and I would love to hear them!

Loffy is a cock, I'm glad we all agree on that. What I'm concerned about though is what is Swortzy gonna do about it.

It could also be the Atlantean foundation or IOND. I think one of there leaders got in a verbal fight with Swartzy and pissed him off enough to take action in a covert way of course . Would they have killed his drake?

What makes you sure about that?

I sense sarcasm within that comment

My sarcasm detector is off today.

It's cool I got you my friend Fortune is slippery like that.

She didn't get where she is, and live as long as she has, and become as powerful as she is (arguably the 3rd strongest spellcaster in the Sixth World) by being a total idiot.

I just want Atlantis to sprout up again. I wonder if it would be taken over by the corps ASAP being a hotbed for magical research and such. What did ED have to say about Atlantis?

Nothing.
The only countries that were described in (more or less) detail were Barsaive (Ukraine), Rugaria (Romania?), Vasgothia (Germany), Thera (well, an island in the Mediterranean), Indrisa (India), forget the name that Italy got, Marac (North Africa, not sure which country excatly) and forgot the name Egypt got.

Talea

I agree with Fortune

"Atlantis" can and will stay dead. It's just a red herring anyways.

The Drake was taken out by a shadowrunning team, hired by a Johnston, who was hired by (several levels here), hired by Ares. Damien Knight was about to make a big, but subtle move, and needed Loffy distracted.
What could be a bigger distraction than having a GD go think of you with revenge on their mind.

nice twist

Maybe it's the alcohol and early morning talking, but wasn't Thera meant to be Atlantis?

I always thought that Thera was Atlantis.

Everyone?

Yes, Thera is the source of the Atlantis myth (that is what you get for having your city float with magic, idiots), but the modern day atlantean foundation uses it as a smokescreen. They're all "we're researching the lost past, trying to find the truth behind atlantis", but they have an immortal elf heading the thing who already Knows. So she sends her deluded flunkies to places she knows have ruins to dig up things she'd find useful, all the while feeding them revisionist "atlantean" justifications for what they are finding.