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Kyrn
I've dealt with a few of the super shineys, but I think it was in the caves around NAN after I spent far too much time there just killing stuff.

And I actually prefer the SNES game despite all the inconsistencies between the systems. It had a SR flavor and a storyline that was hella cool. Even if it hadn't been SR it would have been good.

But the Genesis version does have more replay value. It also shows how easy running for a living can be, as most runs go down fairly smoothly, thus allowing for punks with overblown egos to run across hard pros and die profusely...and I'm babbling again.
Moirdryd
You know, never played the MegaDrive SR game... never owned a Megadrive now I think on it......

But I want to after reading all this...
Hocus Pocus
classic

i actually rented the genesis way back win just to play this game.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (Moirdryd)
You know, never played the MegaDrive SR game... never owned a Megadrive now I think on it......

But I want to after reading all this...

Google for "Kega Lazarus" and "Shadow run ROM"
Moirdryd
I`ve found a couple of sources for Shadowrun Roms and indeed genesis emulators...but sadly not a clue on how to get them working frown.gif
Herald of Verjigorm
In general: run the emulator, pick "open rom" or equvalent, and point that to the bin, smd, or possibly even zipfile that has the rom.

Anything beyond that is configuration and you should be able to get help from the makers of the emulator or a general emulation support site.
Moirdryd
Cheers i`ll have a play with that later smile.gif
Fortune
So, which emulators do you suggest I use for each [SNES and Genesis] of these games? And where's the best place to get them?
hyzmarca
http://www.zophar.net is the best place for emulators.

For the SNES, I recommend ZSNES although some people like SNES9x.
For the Genesis, I recommend Gens due to their robust Sega CD support but some people like Kega.
emo samurai
Zsnes and gens. You can find the roms at romnation.
Fortune
Magic! Thanks. smile.gif
WhiskeyMac
I've only played the SNES version. What's the difference between the 2? Different items and quests I'm sure but what else?
Fortune
Totally different games ... in pretty much every way.
hyzmarca
They're completely different. It would be faster to list the things that they have in common.
Both have a 3/4 overhead view and both are called Shadowrun. Other than that, nothing.

The Mega Drive game was made by people who actually read the BBB and it shows. Combat, magic, condition moniters, and the matrix pretty much follow the Shadowrun rules to the letter, with a few exceptions.

The main character's brother is killed for some reason and he comes to Seatle to find out why. The game revolves around doing actual Shadowruns to earn the money and karma required to survive moving the plot along. Plot advancement is done on your own time and at your own pace.
Herald of Verjigorm
Similarities:
guns exist
spirits exist
magic exists
you meet elves
you meet orcs
you meet trolls
you meet dwarves
you must play a male human
you meet a few named NPCs of importance
you will be attacked by many random encounters
you can get cyberware
you can use sorcery
if you try to play the game faster than 100% speed without furthur cheating, you will die horribly and quickly
you fight a free spirit
etc.

See, there's more than just the view and name.
d'Ark
What was the SNES game actually called, anyway?

I've tried the MegaDrive version a few times before, though I always used to die horribly and gave up...might go back to it now, though.

But, I want to try the SNES game as well now...damn you all
Fortune
QUOTE (d'Ark)
What was the SNES game actually called, anyway?

Shadowrun. wink.gif
emo samurai
Just use Invisibility and walk in front of cameras and guards. That way you win the game.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (d'Ark)
What was the SNES game actually called, anyway?

I've tried the MegaDrive version a few times before, though I always used to die horribly and gave up...might go back to it now, though.

But, I want to try the SNES game as well now...damn you all

The trick is that in the Sega game, you start out as a Street runner, given a Prime Runner's job. The trick is to grind Gunderson's Courier and Escort 'runs' for hours and hours, until you have nearly 255 Karma, then go to Stokker's Coffin Hotel and spend it all in Firearms until you have Firearms 12, then take that last step to Pistols 13. Spend whatever remains on your personal attributes, go get a Smartgunlink at Little Chiba, an Ares Predator with silencer and Smartgun System modifications, any Wired Reflexes you can afford, then go buy your brother's stuff back from Stokker. Then go around Seattle, wandering into bars, talking to Shadowrunners and Johnsons, asking for info.

Then go back to Redmond and repeat the process until you have another near 255 Karma. smile.gif
Kagetenshi
Why? I mean, seriously. Every time you increase Firearms it makes the grinding a little easier, so why waste so much time and effort getting all the way to 255 before you hit the coffin hotel?

~J
emo samurai
See, level grinding is not fun. Especially not slow level grinding. That's why I cheat.
nezumi
Hm... I don't think I cheated (I might have at one point out of curiosity), but once I got out of the barrens, just trying the different runs was interesting enough that I enjoyed leveling. It was only those first levels, then later getting cash, that were painful.
ShadowDragon8685
Heh. That's only if you're really feeling like doing it the hard way.

I just cheat my Karma up to 250 three times. Once with just Joshua, once when I have Josh and Rhianna, and once with all three. smile.gif

I also cheat my butt out to empower my cyberdeck.
Moirdryd
Have it all working so soon i`ll be able to appreciate what everyone raves about, so far so good smile.gif
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (Moirdryd)
Have it all working so soon i`ll be able to appreciate what everyone raves about, so far so good smile.gif

Remmember,

A B B A C A B. "Abbacab."
Squinky
Because of the SNES game, I have a hard time picturing dwarves without them being bat shit crazy and saying Yo ho he har harr all the time.
Angelone
If you're using Gens it's " ZXXZCZX". wink.gif Been playing the genesis version since it came out unfortunately my genesis died awhile back and then I got the emulator.
Drraagh
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jan 14 2007, 08:09 PM)
Have it all working so soon i`ll be able to appreciate what everyone raves about, so far so good smile.gif

Remmember,

A B B A C A B. "Abbacab."

Abbacab.. Is that what 1970's bands take when their tour vehicle breaks down? nyahnyah.gif

Seriously though, I hear all these people talking about level grinding or using the cheat codes, and I remember playing the original game when it came out not knowing about the code and doing enough runs to get the money to get my brother's stuff from the coffin hotel and then from there doing runs with NPC help and so forth to get my skills up and getting my ass kicked more than a few times.

I had fun, anyway, though after beating the game once I don't know about how I'd do it this time. I mean, my gun fights, even in the first area were run away, shoot, run away, shoot, run away.. Like I think I circled the coffin motel to keep them from being able to fire back.
Angelone
After the first few playthru's it gets kinda old. Have to play through the game atleast once with all the archtype's then you can cheat.
Drraagh
Well, I'd say one playthrough as a decker or sammy and then one playthrough as a shaman. Reason for that is the decker and sammy are more or less interchangable once you produce a high enough combat skill. Really, the only advantage one has over the other is the choice of cyberware they start with and skills, iirc.

With a mage, you have a whole seperate ballgame with magic and fetishes and such.
Angelone
Abbacab IIRC is a song or album by the band Genesis.
hyzmarca
Max out your Quickness first and then your Intellegence, Willpower, and Body. Quickness give you running speed and combat pool. Int and Willpower also give you combat pool and are cheaper than Firearms. Body gives you more soak dice.
Then raise firearms and Charisma (helps with random encounters).

The decker, ironically, can have better maximum stats than the samurai due to his lack of spurs. If you don't rely on unamed then he is the way to go.
Herald of Verjigorm
If you really want to cheat and do it all, freeze the essense variable in the emulator at 12 and play a shaman. Yes, over-cybered shaman with superhuman essense after the wired 3, cybereyes, muscle toner and smartlink.

Almost like playing the SNES one, but with more fun in the Matrix.
Moirdryd
Well, have it all running, played for a while and found out... its a little addictive. Ahh the age of the Megadrive.....
Fortune
QUOTE (Angelone)
Abbacab IIRC is a song or album by the band Genesis.

Abacab wink.gif

The song was named for the chord progression it contains ... A B A C A B.
lorechaser
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Heh. That's only if you're really feeling like doing it the hard way.

I just cheat my Karma up to 250 three times. Once with just Joshua, once when I have Josh and Rhianna, and once with all three. smile.gif

I also cheat my butt out to empower my cyberdeck.

Kids today....

In my day, we had 3 men, and one button, and you ran around squinting at blocks that might have been buildings or might have been naked ladies or might have been armored ninja frogs, and you couldn't tell what they were but you killed them anyway, because that was your job, and WE LIKED IT!
Moirdryd
Having some difficulty saving the damn thing.. any suggestions.

It all works fine while i`m running the emulator. When I turn it off though all saved data and states seem to vanish...
Wounded Ronin
I've played the game many times but I never did a level grind with the first Johnson. That's just boring. Instead, I'd level grind with the tougher Johnsons. It was more mentally interesting for me that way.
Herald of Verjigorm
QUOTE (Moirdryd)
It all works fine while i`m running the emulator. When I turn it off though all saved data and states seem to vanish...

Make sure the emulator supports battery saves, I think there's still a few that don't. Any emulator should recognize it's own saved states, so if those are disappearing you need to ask on the emulator's help forum/email/whatever.

In many emulators, saved states overrule battery saves, so if you restore a state that was before you saved with the game's save control, the game save may be lost.
Fortune
Ok ... I'm lost! What's the difference between a saved game and a saved state?

Might seem like a stupid question, but I haven't really been exposed to emulators and the like before, and asking is usually the best way to learn.
Moirdryd
TY Herald. I`ll try a few things later and check out the Emulator manual bit.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Fortune)
Ok ... I'm lost! What's the difference between a saved game and a saved state?

Saved game: a bit of data originally saved in RAM with a little battery to keep it active that indicated some information about your current game (stats, position, so on and soforth).

Saved state: quite literally the full state of the game. The value of every variable. This allows you to do things like "save" games that don't allow saving, and do it at arbitrary positions rather than save points. Note that things not usually considered "part" of the game, like the aforementioned RAM that holds saved games, may be included in the state—hence, each saved state may have its own set of saved games available.

QUOTE
never did a level grind with the first Johnson.

You fail CRPGs. It's all about the early-game grind. Not because it's fun, but because it's what you do.

~J
Fortune
So, if I don't play with the variables, I don't really have to concern myself with the 'state' at all?

Oh, and thanks. smile.gif
Herald of Verjigorm
QUOTE (Fortune)
So, if I don't play with the variables, I don't really have to concern myself with the 'state' at all?

Even if you don't try to change anything, saved states can be useful because they let you save right before that impossible fight rather than having to replay the 35 minutes of boring dialogue every time. (hypothetical, but I think close to a few actual cases)

When you do play with values in the saved state, you can get things like the essense 12 cyber-shaman I mentioned earlier.
Fortune
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm)
When you do play with values in the saved state, you can get things like the essense 12 cyber-shaman I mentioned earlier.

I see ... but that would be cheating! eek.gif
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Fortune)
So, if I don't play with the variables, I don't really have to concern myself with the 'state' at all?

Not quite true. As Herald says, using saved states can still be useful as, basically, arbitrary-location saved games. You can forget that they're saved states rather than saved games unless you want to use an in-game saved game as well, though.

~J
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm)
If you really want to cheat and do it all, freeze the essense variable in the emulator at 12 and play a shaman. Yes, over-cybered shaman with superhuman essense after the wired 3, cybereyes, muscle toner and smartlink.

Almost like playing the SNES one, but with more fun in the Matrix.

Can you teach me how to achieve the quintessial power of the Deckashamaurai, oh Herald of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?

Preferably with the Kega Lazarus emulator?
Kagetenshi
Easy way: use an emulator that allows you to edit the game variables.

Harder way: use a debugger on the emulator.

~J
Herald of Verjigorm
I am using the Fusion 3.2 emulator, the icon is a large ornate K, so that may mean it's a Kega one, I don't remember anymore.

If you have a Game Genie/PAR option on the File menu, then it's close enough and these should work:

CODE
Code:                   Description
FF019C:0a00             stun track, no damage
FF014C:000a             health track, no damage
FF017E:0909             9 magic rating and essense
FFFBBE:1111             really twinked cyberdeck
FFFBC0:1388             lots of RAM
FFFBC2:1388             lots of storage
FFFBCC:0a0a             rating 10 combat progs part 1
FFFBCE:0a0a             rating 10 combat progs part 2


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