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Synner
QUOTE (NightmareX)
If people like SL James (who is a damn good writer IMO based on his fiction) are getting turned down, I'm totally screwed when it comes to chances of getting anything published, even just on the website.

SLJames got turned down? Strange, I don't remember that happening. In fact I have a submission of his waiting for evaluation when a certain book comes up for development.
TBRMInsanity
My crazy idea would be to turn Arsenal into a SR magazine (a sort of Soldier of Fortune style magazine). A lot of RPGs out there have their own magazine attached to them and it brings in a lot of money for the company. A SR magazine that covered SR world events, had SR equipment in it, and also had some optional rules would be cool. I would buy a subscription in a flash (even if it sent me to the dog house for a month).
NightmareX
QUOTE (Synner)
SLJames got turned down? Strange, I don't remember that happening. In fact I have a submission of his waiting for evaluation when a certain book comes up for development.

I recall him saying something to that effect, something about a DC writeup - kept a copy, it was good. cool.gif I could be mistaken of course.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (TBRMInsanity)
My crazy idea would be to turn Arsenal into a SR magazine (a sort of Soldier of Fortune style magazine). A lot of RPGs out there have their own magazine attached to them and it brings in a lot of money for the company. A SR magazine that covered SR world events, had SR equipment in it, and also had some optional rules would be cool. I would buy a subscription in a flash (even if it sent me to the dog house for a month).

That's a really need idea.
Then every year or so they could reedit back issues together and release them as SOTA books.
I (and I suspect a lot of people here) would get a subscription and still buy the compilation books. Particularly if there was a little bit of content in each that didn't show up in the other.
But seriously, any rules would need playtesting, they'd need more people, and if they can't get a book out less than 6 months late, what are the odds of getting a regular publication out? I would LOVE to give them more money for something like this, but I don't see them coming up with the manpower to pull something like this off. I mean, sure, they could hire somebody, but if the person wasn't great the power creep and rules creep would be devastating.
*sigh* It's a pretty dream, though. wink.gif
Zeitgeist
Lord knows I would. Good god, when did I become such a consumer whore?
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (TBRMInsanity)
My crazy idea would be to turn Arsenal into a SR magazine (a sort of Soldier of Fortune style magazine).  A lot of RPGs out there have their own magazine attached to them and it brings in a lot of money for the company.  A SR magazine that covered SR world events, had SR equipment in it, and also had some optional rules would be cool.  I would buy a subscription in a flash (even if it sent me to the dog house for a month).

...Yeah, I remember the old magazine from the Travellers Aid Society from the original GDW Traveller. Those were pretty cool. Still have them all.

I also remember back in the SR2 days promos for a 'zine release titled Kage. Never saw much of it however.
NightmareX
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
I also remember back in the SR2 days promos for a 'zine release titled Kage. Never saw much of it however.

I think KAGE was SR1 - my friends had most of them back in high school, back in the day. Shadowland, on the other hand, was SR2 - I have all of those (somewhere).
knasser
QUOTE (NightmareX @ Mar 30 2007, 01:07 PM)
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Mar 29 2007, 10:41 AM)
On getting more freelancers:

FanPro is always looking for more freelancers. But to get new freelancers requires people to send in good submissions. They do want serious and skilled freelancers; adding freelancers who will require more editing effort or who will drop out of a project halfway through only make things more difficult than they are now.

That's the only prob - skilled. If people like SL James (who is a damn good writer IMO based on his fiction) are getting turned down, I'm totally screwed when it comes to chances of getting anything published, even just on the website.


I have some ideas and writing for Unwired that I was thinking of submitting, following from the History of the Matrix stuff on my website, but I initially approached them with some fiction for the website. I've been waiting months for some feedback on it or an acceptance or turn down. If that's the response, then I'm not inclined to start putting more work into anything else if it's just going to vanish into a black hole.
NightmareX
QUOTE (knasser)
I have some ideas and writing for Unwired that I was thinking of submitting, following from the History of the Matrix stuff on my website, but I initially approached them with some fiction for the website. I've been waiting months for some feedback on it or an acceptance or turn down. If that's the response, then I'm not inclined to start putting more work into anything else if it's just going to vanish into a black hole.

That would seem to suggest that Adam and whoever else manages the website needs some help managing the workload, editing, etc. Perhaps. If that is the case, this is exactly the type of thing I was suggesting - more manpower to help with the day-to-day task (in the case of the website, under Adam's authority of course). I don't know how it would work precisely, but maybe (Synner. Adam, Rob?) it's an idea?
knasser
QUOTE (NightmareX @ Mar 31 2007, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 31 2007, 02:47 AM)
I have some ideas and writing for Unwired that I was thinking of submitting, following from the History of the Matrix stuff on my website, but I initially approached them with some fiction for the website. I've been waiting months for some feedback on it or an acceptance or turn down. If that's the response, then I'm not inclined to start putting more work into anything else if it's just going to vanish into a black hole.

That would seem to suggest that Adam and whoever else manages the website needs some help managing the workload, editing, etc. Perhaps. If that is the case, this is exactly the type of thing I was suggesting - more manpower to help with the day-to-day task (in the case of the website, under Adam's authority of course). I don't know how it would work precisely, but maybe (Synner. Adam, Rob?) it's an idea?


There hasn't been an update to the fiction section since last September (it was supposed to be twice monthly according to the page). I had thought this might be a shortage of contributors but having been trying and trying to get either an acceptance or a rejection of my submission for about two months, I now see the reason is probably something very different. I honestly think that after all the many hours that I spent writing it, I'm entitled to one or the other.

I had hoped to be able to get involved in contributing to the site, maybe even with some of the sourcebooks, but I'm about ready to wash my hands of the lot of it.
the_dunner
QUOTE (knasser)
I had thought this might be a shortage of contributors but having been trying and trying to get either an acceptance or a rejection of my submission for about two months, I now see the reason is probably something very different. I honestly think that after all the many hours that I spent writing it, I'm entitled to one or the other.

I don't know what your experience is like in the world of professional writing. However, it's not at all uncommon for a project to be submitted and then, literally, take years between drafts. eek.gif In the publishing world, there's something called a "slush pile." That's a stack of unsolicited manuscripts. An editor goes through the pile when they have time. I've no firsthand knowledge what FanPro's slush pile is like. I seem to recall that Pyramid Magazine, when I was an active participant, would typically have about 100 articles in their slush pile. Their average response time on an article from a new author was around 14 months.

I'm not saying that's a good or acceptable thing. I'm just saying it's sort of the nature of the beast. If you plan on pursuing writing professionally, you'll find that enormous reserves of patience is nearly as important as the ability to string a sentence together.
knasser
QUOTE (the_dunner)
QUOTE (knasser @ Apr 1 2007, 03:37 PM)
I had thought this might be a shortage of contributors but having been trying and trying to get either an acceptance or a rejection of my submission for about two months, I now see the reason is probably something very different. I honestly think that after all the many hours that I spent writing it, I'm entitled to one or the other.

I don't know what your experience is like in the world of professional writing. However, it's not at all uncommon for a project to be submitted and then, literally, take years between drafts. eek.gif In the publishing world, there's something called a "slush pile." That's a stack of unsolicited manuscripts. An editor goes through the pile when they have time. I've no firsthand knowledge what FanPro's slush pile is like. I seem to recall that Pyramid Magazine, when I was an active participant, would typically have about 100 articles in their slush pile. Their average response time on an article from a new author was around 14 months.

I'm not saying that's a good or acceptable thing. I'm just saying it's sort of the nature of the beast. If you plan on pursuing writing professionally, you'll find that enormous reserves of patience is nearly as important as the ability to string a sentence together.


Well the slush pile doesn't sound likely as if there were a big stockpile of readily available material, they would be putting up some work on the site which they are clearly not doing. And this isn't professional writing - the site offers a complementary book to anyone they publish. If I were interested professional work then I could have put the hours that I spent on this story into overtime at my employers and I would have made approximately £250 or around $500.00. I hope that puts a little perspective into how giving of my time and sincerely I wanted to contribute something to the Shadowrun setting.

I respect that everyone has things to do. It just seems to me with Arsenal looking like it's getting pushed back an entire year, no actual sign of the big meta-plot adventure and the rest of the sourcebooks anyone's guess, that not much time is being dedicated to Shadowrun. I'm still waiting for Shadows Of Europe to be scanned for PDF, even.

I'm not an expert in the RPG market, but I would think that Shadowrun must be harmed by the lack of support material. If it takes months to even say whether or not a short story for the website is accepted, then the problem must be one of the time given to the game by FanPro. I don't think the problem is a lack of patience on the part of myself as a potential contributor or on the part everyone else here who is wanting to buy the supplements. Again - the problem here is not a lack of patience. It is a lack of movement on the part of the publishers. The lack of response on the part of my submission is frustrating me enormously, but the serious delays in supporting material is frustrating all of us. And frustrated customers are a bad thing.
warrior_allanon
and the rate is double when its hard alcohol

Personally while i hope for Arsenal to come out soon so my beloved AS-7 can come back, i'm not in to terrible a rush for it.

as for writing submissions, i'm tweaking a story that happened in SR3 for SR4 rules and while it works, i'm not happy with it enough yet to submit it.
The Entropic Wizard
Ya know, maybe it's just the paranoid Shadowrunner in me, but when you put all this info together (the delays in 'finished' product, so on and so forth), doesn't it sound a bit like something bad is happening with FanPro/Wizkids? Maybe there's some legal/internal oddness going on. That would possibly explain the extreme lack of new goodies.
I'm fairly aware of how the publishing/professional writing works, but it just seems to me that the time frame between the currently released products (namely SR4 and SM... the GM screen and adventure book were just some frosting, as far as I'm concerned), and the huge delay with Arsenal/Augmentation is a bit disparate...
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