Cut back on the caffeine SL James. In what way does the Wachowskis' intentions negate anything knasser said? None at all.

Bugger, hope you know this means a major re-write of my mini-Scotland sourcebook

Well some of it only made sense. Who else could be Merlin? As far as Spinard is he still around? Obviouly the Loffy has to be onto him... unless he was dragonslayer hhhhhmmmm *ponders the possibility by tilting his head*

@Synner: Much more than I had noticed. I appreciate it!

Yeah but its more fun to believe Im right. BTW I'm doing the research right now.

Fortune...please take this as a compliment and a sign of deep respcet.... Ready?

I now dub you my nemesis. I consider you an equal in all respects but you make me work to hard to get the answers and rebuf my conspiracy and story theories constantly. In short... I love you like my long lost frat buddy who constantly makes me suffer some humiliating pain in front of all the hot SoHo's. When I go out tonight in about 2 hours I'm taking a shot for you

put that in your joint and smoke it *cough cough*... oh its so sticky!!


[EDIT] umm nevermind that comment kind sir i have been taught to respect my elders... especially OG's like you

I'm going to have to reread everything. This is of course giving me idea's more my British campaign at the mo. I opened with a first run based around the NDM trying to attack some of the Oxford circle's support, good to see it's important. I wonder if "Arthur" has been fostered.

Hands up who thinks the writers should get together and give us a free "state of play" for the world? It's not like they're busy right .

Sorry to dredge this back up, but I've been gone a few days.

The back of SoE metnions that dandy old elf from Balck madonna Hessler tagging along with the 'Pendragon'. He does have that spirit buddynamed Merlin. Pendragon dissapearing from plain sight also sounds like the fading power. Just throwing things out there.

I know, I was thinking about that just after i left work when I started the thread, just no chance to get back on it. I'd forgot about the Prime Runners statting. I was just thinking about Black Madonna (got it on my desk right on front of me. On pg 112, merlin is talking). Nice timing BTW Synner.

So we know who is hangin with the dragon. But where he came from is a big question. The island on the leyline, (I forget its name). Is there ant mention of the lady of the lake? That might be another free spirt or even the sea serpant (thought I would throw a dragon in too). Anyone have a heads up or a few clues on this?

Also do the Callanish have a role to play in this? I can see them trying to kidnapp and sacrifice a young Aurthur (who would be tied to the land of England).

They sorta already tried that in the 50's. Secrets of Power trilogy book 2.

Hessler (called Zessler in Prime Runners fro some reasons) is a grade 8 initiate (as of PR at least), lives in Glastonbury. His ally is named Merlin. Looks like a young man, very curios. As of PR, Hessler was working on whether or not the Henge was a metaplanar portal or somesuch. Who knows, maybe he opened something and brought Lyonesse through. Who knows.

Anyways, maybe he was supporting "the new king", maybe jsut waiting for somethign to happen. Incidentally, AH thinks he's a spike baby, at least, since last I asked him about it.

But no real mention of that since Prime Runners...

As for Ambrose, IIRC, Virual Realities 2.0, a conversation between "The Laughing Man" and "Ambrose" discussing things like cybermancy and otaku.

Try the Ancient Files

Already looked @ what he had. A short mention but no confirmation. What about the Black Lodge? Would that be the new Arthurs enimes, the people who are going to try and take him down? There based in Scottland

Black Lodge is more against IE's and dragons. They're pretty strong in France as well.

With the LPO as an enemy, you don't really need a lot more anyways.

It's never really confirmed who Ambrose is. Not yet anyways.

I am not an idiot. I know all about the original comic. I also know why Alan Moore disowned the movie, and it can be concisely put as the Wachowskis putting their own shit into his work. The tone of the movie and the comic are completely different.

And, btw, the comic is about fascism vs anarchy, not loss of liberty vs security. Storm Saxon, for example, is a non sequitur in the movie without the whole Norsefire background, which was completely excised from the movie to make a contemporary political statement. It's just a crap movie all around, but the fact that they gutted the comic like a fish deserves the most special scorn.

I'm gonna have to side with SL James on this one.

Me too. The movie was a corporate travesty, with an overbearing soundtrack and amateurish scene cuts.

Wow and I'm a cinema major and I wasnt that harsh on the movie. Real quick... it's Hollywood! What do you expect they have been dumbing down movies forever.

I cant remeber the last movie I went to at the theater oh wait.... yeah I do Miami Vice (that was close I almost lost it). It's all about the money not social impact, if you want social impact you have to be independant and even the indies want to sell out to make millions. Blame capitalism for a shitty film.

FYI: every sellout throws their own or someone elses politics into their work its how you and them get paid by pushing someone elses agenda.

Moving back to the tread, How cool would that be if britian was facist and scottland was anarchist and the new arthur pulled the sword from the stone to reunite the land? HMMM... maybe not so blatant of a rip-off but something along the lines.

QUOTE (SL James)
QUOTE (knasser @ Nov 9 2006, 03:17 PM)
QUOTE (SL James @ Nov 9 2006, 11:46 AM)
QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Nov 8 2006, 07:51 PM)
Well, seems I am not that bright, as I missed the American Critism stuff.


haha

Dude, if it was any more blatant they would have had to use a Bush impersonator.



Perhaps you see that as an american.


I see it as American because that's what the Wachowskis fucking said.


They said they wrote the Matrix trilogy. You gonna believe everything those assholes say?

-Frank

Actually, the movie was criticizing both the United States and Great Britian, and to a certain extent the very idea of police state facism. Which is appropriate because both nations are currently instituting slowly martial law. Britian has 4 million cameras placed across London to spy on everybody. The US has institued police state legislation (Patriot Acts 1 & 2, Military Commisions Act, John Warner Authorization Act), the NSA is running the most extensive domestic spying program ever, and they are currently militarizing their police forces. The movie makes a statement about both situations and about the American and British people in how they deal with the situation. The Americans, being the freedom loving gun toters that we are, are shown in a state of widespread civil war, because thats what will happen if the Neocon Globalists continue their plan for police state world domination. The British, are shown as a more easily manipulated and timid folk that require the arrival of a hero to lead them and show them the way back to freedom.
Now I never read the comic book, so I carry no resentment about faithfulness to it's canon. But my opinion is that it was an excellent movie on several levels. It's good, I like.

and the fire keeps burning....

Its not quite firey just yet, and is still generally related. After all, tangents are nothing new here.

I don't think we're gonna have a Sword in the Stone-meets- Braveheart. I think Synner's update (you know, three or four pages ago) really gives us differnet look then we started with. I'm leaning more to the camp of someone else finding something, perhaps Excalibur (hey, why not?), and perhaps being driven by it. Up comes harley and gets his pointy stick back, Pendragon dissapears.

So, on a tangent line of thought, assuming, and it's a big assumption, that's generally what happened:

Lowfyr got what he wanted in the Jewel of Memory, and got more than he bargained for, since he's "addicted" to it.

Say Harlequin gets Excalibur, which, we're assuming someone else had, and was motivated by the sword to go all "power to the people". So what happens when it works it's magic on Harlequin?

'Course I could be way off. What's the line form Boondock Saints? "Unless I've completely missed something."

Boondock Saints = Prime Runners 2 necesity.

I need to know about Harleqin in the last world to know if the sword would take a hold of him. He's the most powerful caster on the planet so im willing to bet he could win the sword over. If not Frosty or Ethran would have to intervein and save him or something.

I wonder what the other immortals think of this. Are they trying to stop it or just uninterested? And better yet are they going to be the knights of the round table? HMMMM....

I would almost prefer them not to be and have some new players inter the game as the knights. Have differant intrests and personalities. And leave the grail shit behind I hated the grail (except for when Indy found it... Damn Nazi's!)

Harlequin was a swordmaster and wizard (IIRC). Frosty's no where near his power. I think other IE's would just leave well enough alone. Definetly no knights there. Ehran hates Harelquin.

Excalibur coulnd't have taken control of harlequin in the last world though because it woulnd't have existed yet. ED was a good 7,000 some odd years ago. There were examples of items with very powerful personalities though, usually with trapped spirits. Also , items with deeds associated with them that you had to perfom for their powers to work.

You should really check out the old Earthdawn series if you're this interested. RedBrick games is reprinting a lot of the old material.

Thanks for the tip. As far a Ethran and Harle I think there on decent terms right now. Check out Anchient files Post Mortem. They seemed pretty civil in the fiction. Any chance excalibur could be an ED sword with a new name?

If it did have a personality whould it be an ED charactes personality? It's obvious that the pendragon wants to unify so the sword has to have a friendly and pro good personality.

well, by Moorcock, I can only assume you mean either the whole "eternal champion", or the bad-a sword. The Arthurian legends go a little with both, the whole cyclic style, like in Hq's Back and the Spring Champion and all that. China Mieville I don't know though, have to look in to that one.

That's an awful lot of ingredients. You must make an awesome lasagna.

So any idea when more of this is acutalyl going to come out in books? Or any idea that you're willing to share at least?

And for my third post in a row ... maybe I should read the entire thread first.

yeah, and I live for the bread crumbs, what can I say. Well, now I want lasagna actually....


BTW, basing it on the legend of it being created by the Lady of the Lake (Nymue or some such IIRC). That doesn't mean I'm right, that's just what I'm basing it on.

ya' know, you can just edit your past and add stuff.

Chancellor = Lord protector/Lord Marchment

There's also Mr. Dashwood, taking the place of the head of internal security

Case in point ...

Oh I get where you're coming from. Yeah, no doubt there's every possiblity taht what you're saying is spot on. Hell, for all we know, it was really made by Oompa loompas in your back yard, then sent back in time (which would be awesome!). You jsut asked what i wasbasing it on.

Personally, it's kind of a toss up which I think would be neater. On one hand, the idea of it being Harley's sword all along , and stolen and pawned off is pretty neat. Gives it a lot more history. on the other, new things that aren't always attached to IE's and dragons, but say, the fey instead, are also cool.

The legends have been toyed and twisted so much that you've got a lto of play with them, especially when the fey are something you can give stats to, and you can trace back someone/thing's lineage to another age when there where airships and farther.

But I'm hoping that Excalibur, if it is infact Excalibur, is something newer than that. it should n't all be immortal elves and drop bears (oops, that one was mine. hehe)

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