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klinktastic

Jan 21 2011, 07:14 PM

I will stick with the format I've seen used before -

[[]] and orange time/location stamp.
<<>> and yellow to indicate anything that's said by way of comms that's not being heard, either by typing or subvocal mic.
If it's in "" it's actually being said, regardless of color. Bold any character names.

Useful links:
Original Pre-Game Discussion Thread
IC Thread

As DH did, please post your character sheet in your first post.

Digital Heroin

Jan 21 2011, 07:40 PM

For ease of accounting, here be Kid's completed sheet:

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Name: Juan Doe (Court Assigned)
Alias: The Kid
Metatype: Human
Age: 17

Attributes:
Physical        Mental             Special         Special
Body:      3         Charisma:  3         Edge:        3    Current Edge:     3
Agility:  3         Intuition: 4         Essense:     6    Astral Init:     -
Reaction: 4(5)         Logic:        4         Initiative:     4(9)    Matrix Init:
Strength: 2         Willpower: 4        Magic:      4     Init Passes:     1(2)

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+0BP (Metatype)
-30BP (Positive Qualities) +5BP (Negative Qualities) -35BP
+230BP (Attributes) +190BP (Edge) +10BP (Magic) +30BP
+140BP (Active Skills) +140BP (Knowledge Skills) +BP (Languages) +BP
+7BP (Contacts)
+3BP (Resources)
+BP (Other)

Karma:
Spent:

Karma Expenditure

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Active Skills

Skill            Rank    Att    Modifiers        Total

Name            x     +y    +z            = n

Cracking Group        1    +4    -            = 5
Electronics Group    2    +4    -            = 6
Stealth Group        4    +4    -            = 8
Automotive Mechanic    2    +4    -            = 6
Chemistry        1    +4    -            = 5
Con            1    +3    -    -        = 4
Demolitions (Improv)    2    +4    (+2 Spec)        = 6(8)
Dodge            2    +4                = 6
Etiquette (Street)    1    +4    (+2 Spec)        = 5(7)
Pilot Ground Craft    4    +4(+5)                = 8(9)
Pistols (Semi-Auto)    1    +3    (+2 Spec)        = 4(6)
Perception        2    +4                = 6

Total Active Skills: 7x10 + 15x4 3x2 = 136BP

Knowledge Skills (L+I)x3 = 24

Gang Turf        4
Chop Shops        2
Strip Clubs        3
Parking Garages        2
Simporn            4
Car Developments    2
Denver News        4
Border Security        2
Dance Clubs        1

Languages

English        N

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Positive Qualities (BP):

Adept (5)

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Negative Qualities (-BP):

Lost Loved One (5)
Moderate Media Junkie (10)
SIN: Criminal (10)
Compulsive: Car Theft (10)

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Adept Powers

Heightened Concentration    Ignore a single Negative modifier up to -Magic
Memory Displacement        Remove slective memories for a set amount of time
Improved Reflexes (1)        +1 Reaction; +1 IP
Multi-Tasking            Oberve as Detail as Free Action; +2 Free when not in Combat
Nimble Fingers            +1 Sleight of Hand; Insert/Remove Clip, Use Simple Object, Pick Up/Put Down as Free Action
Sustenance            Need only 3 hours of sleep and one meal a day; also only need to use the men's once a day

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Contact

Name        Loyalty    Connection

`Moms`        3    4(+2 Membership; +1 District; 0 Magic; 0 Matrix)
The Kid's actual mother was a young joygirl who was killed by a rough trick when he was only a baby. With no one stepping forward to be a father, he was raised by a small village worth of prostitutes. While he is no longer the young tyke who used to occassionally run past a prospective John looking at a line of girls in a massage parlor's reception area, the joygirls of the Warrens are still mother (and sister in the case of some of the younger ones) to him.

Hackket        2    2
The first actual hacker that Kid ever met was old then, and is a positively ancient man now who actually insists on hacking without `all them fancy lack of wires.` Still, the old man knows a trick or two, especially when it comes to staying off the grid while still monitoring it.

Brakedown    1    3
Bobby, who insists on being called Breakdown as of it lends a middle aged ork with a massive gut street cred, is the owner of a pawn shop and small junkyard which may or may not be a chop shop, depending on who is asking.

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Ranged
Weapon             Damage    AP    Mode    RC    Ammo    Notes

Colt Manhunter        5P    -1    SA    -    16©    Laser Sight
- Gas Vent II

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Armor         B/I     Notes

Leather Jacket    2/2
Riot Shield    +2/+6    Old battered thing with a CAS border patrol logo on it

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Commlink: Sony Emperor w. Magnadyne Deva
Response    Signal    Firewall    System
2        3    2        3
Modifications: Customized Interface, Optimized (Spoof), Trodes, Sim Module, Armor (4)
Programs: Analyze 3, Browse 3, Command 2, Edit 3, Scan 3, Exploit 2, Spoof 2, Sniffer 2
Agent: Rating 2
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Lifestyle:  (/month;  months pre-paid)
Comforts:
Entertainment:
Necessities:
Neighborhood:
Security:
Qualities:

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SIN  (Fake - Rating 3)
Name: Kenta Hernandez
Alias: None
DOB: 15 MAR 46
Birthplace: Denver, CAS District
Citizenship: CAS
Occupation: Pizza Delivery Guy
Permits: Driver's Permit, Sector Pass

SIN  (Criminal)
Name: Juan Doe
Alias:     Kid, Flash Ultra
DOB: 20 Feb 54
Birthplace: Denver, Aurora Warrens
Citizenship: None
Occupation: Criminal (Grand Theft Auto, Evading Police, Inciting a Riot)
Permits: None

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Nuyen: 15000
Spent: 14910

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Gear:

AR Gloves
Subvocal Mic
Glasses w. Low Light, Flare Comp, Image Link, Visiom Magnification
Headphones w. Spatial Recognizer, Select Sound Filter (1)
Electronics Kit
Gecko Tape Gloves
Radio Signal Scanner (6)
Autopicker (4)
Miniwelder
Virtual Surround Music (10 chips)
Virtual Person
Concealed Quickdraw Holster
Spare Magazine
20 Regular Rounds

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Physical Description:

The Kid (who thankfully outgrew the moniker Ultra Flash, which he had insisted the police call him when he was arrested) is posessed of that indeterminate mix of heritage that could mean he is Asian, or perhaps Amerind, or Spanish. He has dusky skin, and angular features, and he is slight of frame, but not androgynous. Regardless, he dresses to stand out when he is not out for a scouting mission, favoring cheap jewlery and imitations of the newest clubware with a ganger's hard edge to it.

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Background:

The Kid has been around the gang since he was knee high. Raised by an ever changing landscape of prostitutes, he developed into your average ultra-horny too damn smart for his own good, fast talking teenager. He would have been content with your usual gangland fun, if it had not been for Fiona. Fiona was, as he, the daughter of one of the Aurora prostitues, except that she knew who her mother was, and Fiona was beautiful beyond compare. He was madly in love with her from the age of five, and she thought of him as her best friend. At least until she got kidnapped. While he could not believe it, Kid knew that when Fiona went missing it was one of the Johns who had taken her, one of the out of area Johns that was looking to slum it. With the help of Hackket he managed to dredge up a short list of likely suspects, and track one especially likely one as having come across the CAS border. Convinced he was going to be Fiona's white knight, and win her eternal love, Kid snuck through an old sewer line into the CAS sector, and promptly tried to boost a car. Unfortunately for him he happened to be boosting - or rather had sucessfully boosted - the car of a border cop who was just coming off duty. In the ensuing chase Kid ended up deep inside of the CAS sector, and was forced to ditch the car near the line for some club or another. While trying to lose the cops, Kid yelled out a line dredged up from some old show 'cheese it, it's the fuzz' and for some reason the crowd just went nuts.

Of course they half trampled him, and he was caught.

They tried him as an adult, and gave him five years.

Two years later Kid was released from prison for a combination of good behavior and budget cuts, and dumped back into the Warrens. During his time in prison he had ingratiated himself to several of the Saints that were serving bids, and they put in a word for him. That was a year ago. He has come a long way from being a white knight on a mission. But he has never forgotten Fiona.

J. Packer

Jan 21 2011, 09:02 PM

And here's Princess:

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Princess
Male Transvestite Elf Ganger

BOD   3    (20)   Qualities:
AGI   4(6) (20)     Made Man                0
REA   4(5) (30)     Ambidextrous            5
STR   3(5) (20)     Guts                    5
CHR   4    (10)     High Pain Tolerance 2  10
INT   3    (20)     School of Hard Knocks   5
LOG   2    (10)     Criminal SINner       -10
WIL   4    (30)     Vindictive (PSC)      -10
EDG   2    (10)     Augmentation Addict   -10
ESS   2.04          Distinctive Style      -5

Initiative: 7(8)    IPs: 1(2)

Active Skills:         Knowledge Skills:
20  Athletics Group 2    Prostitution 3
20  Stealth Group 2      Denver Gangs 3
16  Blades 4             Cybertechnology 2
8   Unarmed Combat 2     Biotechnology 2
12  Longarms 3           Gambling 1
8   Dodge 2              Organized Crime 2
16  Intimidation 4     Languages:
20  Social Group 2       Sperethiel 2
8   Perception 2         English N

Cyberware/Bioware
  Cybereyes 2 - Low Light, Flare Comp, +2 Enh, Smartlink
    0.3/6600
  Cyberears 1 - Damper, +3 Enh
    0.2/5750
  Hand Razors
    0.2/900
  Wired Reflexes 1
    2.0/11000
  Extendable Fang Implants
    0.15/1200
  Autoinjector, reusable, 1 dose of Nitro
    0.1/550
  Dietware
    0.1/2500
  SilkySkin
    0.0/1500
  Orthoskin 2 (Used)
    0.6/30000
  Synthacardium 3 (Used)
    0.36/15000
  Muscle Toner 2 (Used)
    0.48/8000
  Muscle Augmentation 2 (Used)
    0.48/7000

Gear: 10000Y (2BP)
  Monofilament Sword                    750
  Remignton 950 w/Internal Smartlink            1350
    50 Regular Bullets                    100
  Lined Coat                        700
  Novatech Airware (3/3)                1250
    Subvocal Mic                    50
    Basic+ Software (A3/B3/C1/E3)            400
    Iris Orb OS (3/3)                    1000
  Fake SIN[2] - Rachel Stevens                2000
    Fake License[2] - Hand Razors            200
    Fake License[2] - Remington 950            200
  Exotic Wardrobe            100
  1 Month Low Lifestyle                    2000

Starting Cash: [url=http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2850470/]750[/url]

Contacts:
  Ernst Bankmann - Street Doc/Cyberdoc - 2/2
  Lt. Sam Terpin - KE or LS Detective - 3/1
  Ernesto Ortiz - Mafia Soldier - 3/1

Backstory:

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Brian David Abernathy was the second child of a professional elf couple in the Tir. He grew up never quite feeling right, in his community, or in his skin. Early tests showed a great deal of dysphoria with regards to his identity. His parents strove to give him a home in which he could feel safe and comfortable, but their efforts were in vain. He wasn’t an overly violent kid, and never got into fights. Instead he was more vindictive, never forgetting a slight. Instead of beating up those who made fun of him, he would wait until the time was ripe and kill their dog, for example.

At the age of 13, confronted with his behavior, Brian ran away from home for good. In Seattle he hocked many of his possessions and used the money for a bus ticket, one way, to Denver, hoping to escape.

Life on the streets of the Mile High City was difficult, and Brian found that he was forced to do some very unpleasant things to survive. An attractive boy, he found greater opportunity to do so than some might. As he lived this hand to mouth existence, he began to tinker with his identity, trying out different personae over time, keeping what felt right, discarding what felt wrong.

After a time, he found himself in a rough situation, and forced to defend himself. Empowered, and leaving his assailant a bloody mess on the floor of the bathroom in a cheap by-the-hour motel, Brian, who now tended to go exclusively by the name Pretty, began the difficult work of ingratiating himself with one of the local thrill gangs.

It was hard for a 15 year old transvestite to get much play in the typically macho gang culture. It took another incident of violence to convince the rank and file that he was serious, and would be an asset to the gang – he beat an ork a hundred pounds heavier than himself into submission, and very nearly to death, with a style of vicious infighting that left the gangers breathless.

Since nobody gets to choose their own gang name, Pretty submitted to the group, sure he was going to be ostracized and mocked again, prepared to leave the gang and throw himself off of an overpass onto I-25. Instead, the leader, recognizing raw talent, assigned him the name Princess, and made her an enforcer.

Now eighteen, Princess has run protection rackets, acted as backup muscle for close in work, especially where a message needed to be sent, and handled various stables of girls in the employ of the gang. An opportunity has arisen, however, for Princess to help take over a stretch of abandoned territory, and she’s determined to see it through to a successful conclusion.

Princess is loyal to the gang, to the point of self sacrifice. She’s never had any surgery done, no bioware, no gene therapy – with regards to her gender. She’s currently happy dressing and living life as a woman, without making any permanent changes. Her clothing choices tend towards knee-high leather high heeled boots, fishnets, miniskirts, and midriff tops with various band names on them. When it’s cold, or a fight is in the works, an armored duster is a standard accessory.

She stands 5’9”, weighs about 150 pounds (leaning towards anorexia), and has long, bushy, curly blonde hair.

BlackHat

Jan 21 2011, 09:20 PM

And Pusher:

Background:

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Character Sheet:

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EDIT: Adding a roll for starting cash (low lifestyle): 3d6 x50 = 14 x50 = 700 nuyen

sabs

Jan 22 2011, 01:04 AM

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History/Personality:

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Isinghar

Jan 22 2011, 03:13 AM

The Marquis

Description:

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Background:

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Character Sheet

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Contacts (5 BP + 8 Free):

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klinktastic

Jan 22 2011, 03:15 AM

QUOTE (Isinghar @ Jan 21 2011, 09:13 PM)

Holding this spot for The Marquis. Will Edit and add him here once I get back to my computer (am using BB right now).

I have some good news! My wife gave birth today to a beautiful girl! Mom and baby doing well. Baby is three weeks early, so was caught off guard!

Well congrats on the new edition to the family!

Digital Heroin

Jan 22 2011, 04:29 AM

Congrats to you and the missus. Welcome to the sleepless nights!

BlackHat

Jan 22 2011, 01:18 PM

Yes, congrats!

Isinghar

Jan 22 2011, 05:00 PM

Thank you guys, slept exactly 3 hours last night

.

Have a few minutes today to catch up. Have posted The Marquis, and fleshed out his Contacts. Klink let me know if you have any issues with the contacts and if I need to change any.

Will post IC next.

J. Packer

Jan 22 2011, 09:37 PM

Aaaaand Digital Heroin looks to be playing the hero of our story. What with the other four of us being sociopaths and all.

sabs

Jan 22 2011, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (J. Packer @ Jan 22 2011, 10:37 PM)

Aaaaand Digital Heroin looks to be playing the hero of our story. What with the other four of us being sociopaths and all.

Was Vlad the Impaler a sociopath!
Were Vikings Sociopath!..

Norlag isn't a sociopath

He just likes to hurt people.

ALOT

Digital Heroin

Jan 23 2011, 02:46 AM

The hero is the compulsive car thief who learned to blow stuff up in jail and has dreams of being a simporn king? We are dooomed...

Digital Heroin

Jan 24 2011, 04:42 PM

Kid is looking for any nodes he hasn't seen before in the area, cameras are his target of choice: 7 dice for the test (2 hits). He is also watching the physical for the moment (free observe in detail due to multitasking): 6 dice for the perception test (2 hits).

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 02:26 AM

Sorry, a little distracted today. About to post up in the IC.

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 04:24 AM

Poor Kid, no toys to play with just yet... guess he'll have to get creative... or more primal at least... I shall be posting in a few.

sabs

Jan 25 2011, 05:25 PM

They didn't react to me at all?

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 05:28 PM

Sorry, I got interrupted in my post and it took a while to get it out.

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 05:33 PM

So I editted it. The setting is literally on the border of your turf and their turf. They're standing on their side, heckling your girls. But alas, I want you guys to get a fight in early, so you can test your characters out.

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (klinktastic @ Jan 25 2011, 10:33 AM)

So I editted it. The setting is literally on the border of your turf and their turf. They're standing on their side, heckling your girls. But alas, I want you guys to get a fight in early, so you can test your characters out.

I hope you didn't think that would be difficult with this batch of misanthropes.

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 05:36 PM

QUOTE (J. Packer @ Jan 25 2011, 11:35 AM)

I hope you didn't think that would be difficult with this batch of misanthropes.

I was hoping you'd oblige me.

sabs

Jan 25 2011, 05:41 PM

Misanthropes? Who you calling Misanthropes. We're social DE-generates! Thank you very much.

Where do you want Initiative rolls? here? or in the IC post under spoilers

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 05:45 PM

And, aside from Norgal who has entered the street, how far apart would you say we are? 10 meters? 15?

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (sabs @ Jan 25 2011, 11:41 AM)

Misanthropes? Who you calling Misanthropes. We're social DE-generates! Thank you very much.

Where do you want Initiative rolls? here? or in the IC post under spoilers

I prefer just like in JP's game to have rolls in the IC thread. So you can just do them there.

QUOTE (J. Packer @ Jan 25 2011, 11:45 AM)

And, aside from Norgal who has entered the street, how far apart would you say we are? 10 meters? 15?

15 sounds about right. It's your basic 2 lane street, one going each way. Not much in the way of traffic.

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 06:07 PM

Definitely in melee range, but you'll have to take a couple steps.

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 06:14 PM

Ok, slow to react, should be working since I had a longass meeting this morning, but I will have something sketched up and posted soon. Question? They're across the street... what are the buildings like here, or the cover?

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 12:14 PM)

Ok, slow to react, should be working since I had a longass meeting this morning, but I will have something sketched up and posted soon. Question? They're across the street... what are the buildings like here, or the cover?

Mostly store fronts and/or dilpediated apartment buildings. Cover-wise, there's all sort of stuff. Scraped mailboxes, burned out hulks of cars. Feel free to write in whatever you want. It's your world as much as it is mine.

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 06:26 PM

Alrighty then... oh, and someone care to refresh my memory... what happens when you glitch initiative? Go Kid....

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 11:26 AM)

Alrighty then... oh, and someone care to refresh my memory... what happens when you glitch initiative? Go Kid....

If a character rolls a glitch on his Initiative Test, he automatically goes
after anyone who has the same Initiative Score as him (rather than
acting simultaneously). If the gamemaster chooses, she can also inflict
a minor dice pool modifier (–1) to the character’s first action, to reflect
his stumbling start.
If the character rolls a critical glitch, he not only goes last in each
Initiative Pass, but he also loses one of his extra actions (if any); this
does not affect characters who have only one action per turn.

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 06:31 PM

Ok, so he's going after anyone else on 10... which isn't entirely shabby, let me know about the dice pool adjust... could be amusing given a quickdraw is going to be his first action...

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 11:31 AM)

could be amusing given a quickdraw is going to be his first action...

Just... don't glitch on that roll, k?

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 06:35 PM

Hah... Kid makes some smooth comment and tosses his gun to one of the Dog Warriors... then looks to the others and says 'what? that was a distraction, get 'em!'

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 12:35 PM)

Hah... Kid makes some smooth comment and tosses his gun to one of the Dog Warriors... then looks to the others and says 'what? that was a distraction, get 'em!'

LOL! Classic distraction move!

BlackHat

Jan 25 2011, 06:49 PM

Shame it wasn't a grenade.

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 08:54 PM

Well, Ishingar hasn't rolled intiative yet, but all 4 of your beat their initiatives, so it shouldn't really matter. He will probably go before them too....but we can cross that bridge later.

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (klinktastic @ Jan 25 2011, 01:54 PM)

Well, Ishingar hasn't rolled intiative yet, but all 4 of your beat their initiatives, so it shouldn't really matter. He will probably go before them too....but we can cross that bridge later.

Yeah, he's been notably quiet in the game I'm running as well. The daddy business must be running him dry.

Oh, and I'm assuming I have to burn my first IP to draw my sword and do the perception check. If you think otherwise, I can change my post.

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (J. Packer @ Jan 25 2011, 02:56 PM)

Yeah, he's been notably quiet in the game I'm running as well. The daddy business must be running him dry.

Oh, and I'm assuming I have to burn my first IP to draw my sword and do the perception check. If you think otherwise, I can change my post.

Not surprising. I'm not even married yet and I'm dreading it.

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 08:59 PM

Heh, I just noticed I'm absolute last in our order....

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 09:02 PM

Awww....no it doesn't matter. You all can make your rolls, easier to respond en mass.

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (klinktastic @ Jan 25 2011, 01:57 PM)

Not surprising. I'm not even married yet and I'm dreading it.

12.5 years married, but got lucky enough to trick a girl who didn't want kids into marrying me.

sabs

Jan 25 2011, 09:03 PM

He's a new papa
Being a New papa is much work, and he's probably exhausted. Give him a couple of days to get on his feeters

BlackHat

Jan 25 2011, 09:03 PM

If I am reading it right, Princess goes first, draws her sword and looks around, and then pusher goes. I'll get his action up ASAP

Digital Heroin

Jan 25 2011, 09:08 PM

I buy my kids on eBay, but only for their resale value whenever Angelina Jolie goes shopping...

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 03:08 PM)

I buy my kids on eBay, but only for their resale value whenever Angelina Jolie goes shopping...

If only it was that easy.

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Digital Heroin @ Jan 25 2011, 02:08 PM)

I buy my kids on eBay, but only for their resale value whenever Angelina Jolie goes shopping...

Flipping kids is rough. There's the upkeep costs, the hidden issues that you wind up paying for, and they lose value so quickly...

klinktastic

Jan 25 2011, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (J. Packer @ Jan 25 2011, 03:14 PM)

Flipping kids is rough. There's the upkeep costs, the hidden issues that you wind up paying for, and they lose value so quickly...

It (they) are not a good investment, if thats what you mean.

sabs

Jan 25 2011, 09:20 PM

There is no better investment than a kid.

But it's like playing the stock market. If you're playing the long game (20+ years) you can get good returns. But short term, you can get really screwed.

BlackHat

Jan 25 2011, 09:24 PM

Pusher's action is up, which probably requires 5 rolls from Klink, and may really change the situation for the next guy.

sabs

Jan 25 2011, 09:27 PM

Next guy is me.

I'll wait to see what Klink says.

Since my action is probably to draw and shoot dumbass center mass for pulling a gun on me

Although I'm tempted to be all.. I draw my axe, and get all medeival.

J. Packer

Jan 25 2011, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (sabs @ Jan 25 2011, 02:20 PM)

There is no better investment than a kid.

But it's like playing the stock market. If you're playing the long game (20+ years) you can get good returns. But short term, you can get really screwed.

I think of it as more like buying a car. You lose value the minute you take it home, and it just drops from there. It's not until 25 years later that it suddenly starts becoming more valuable.