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Talia Invierno
For astral projection, the mental attributes replace the physical ones.

What about dual-natured combat? Does the dual-natured critter or assensing adept use mental attributes, or physical?
Particle_Beam
Physical.

Here's the exact quotation.
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Astral combat is resolved in the same way as physical combat. Astrally perceiving and dual natured characters use their Physical attributes and skills to fight opponents with a physical body, and their Willpower + Astral Combat skill to fight wholly astral entities. Astrally projecting characters use their Mental attributes in place of Physical ones (see the Astral Attributes Table, above) along with the Astral Combat skill.
Talia Invierno
Gah. I looked and looked, and didn't find that. Where?

And actually, by that quote, wouldn't it be mental for astral combat? not in the same manner as full projection, but only allowing WL?

Btw, WL used to be an option for everyone in attacking spirits -- what's different? Besides the addition of the Astral Combat skill, that is.
redne
It seems to be SR4 p.184, under Astral Combat.
Particle_Beam
Well, it's on page 184, under the astral combat section.

The attack of will alternative against spirits is described in Street Magic, where you're pitting your willpower+banishing (if avaiable) against the spirits formidable combat abilities. Suffice to say that only mages should try to attempt it.
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (Particle_Beam @ Jul 4 2007, 08:07 AM)
Physical.

Here's the exact quotation.
QUOTE
Astral combat is resolved in the same way as physical combat. Astrally perceiving and dual natured characters use their Physical attributes and skills to fight opponents with a physical body, and their Willpower + Astral Combat skill to fight wholly astral entities. Astrally projecting characters use their Mental attributes in place of Physical ones (see the Astral Attributes Table, above) along with the Astral Combat skill.

You mean 'Mental'.
Particle_Beam
Depends. We are talking about damage resistance tests, dodge and the damage attribute while you're dual or only astraly perceiving, I guess, which are still physical.
tehbighead
if you are using your astrally-perceiving meatbody to attack a projected target, it would be mental. if it's a-p meat v. dual-natured target, it would be physical.
FrankTrollman
It is as far as I know completely intentional that dual natured creatures can use Unarmed Combat + Agility to fight off astral forms. And no, it seriously doesn't say that anywhere. The discussion of dual creatures was cut from Street Magic because it "fit better" in Running Wild.

But while the book says outright that a hellhound would have to make a Willpower + Astral Combat check to attack an astral form, which it can't do under any circumstances because it doesn't have Astral Combat and that skill is no-default, that is not how it is supposed to work. That is supposed to get cleared up in Running Wild.

-Frank
Talia Invierno
The hellhound example was what I did spot, and didn't understand how to apply it. I thought I was missing something obvious. At first, it was looking as though I was.

Hmm, isn't this one of those core mechanics things that ought to belong in a core rulebook? especially considering that anyone astrally perceiving is considered dual-natured?
FrankTrollman
QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
The hellhound example was what I did spot, and didn't understand how to apply it. I thought I was missing something obvious. At first, it was looking as though I was.

Hmm, isn't this one of those core mechanics things that ought to belong in a core rulebook? especially considering that anyone astrally perceiving is considered dual-natured?

Yes. I nominated it for errata actually, but apparently it's going to be handled in Running Wild.

-Frank
fistandantilus4.0
Awesome hyzmarca! That should help loads. I do wonder which edition of rules it addresses though.

QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Your name is Toby

No it isn't. It's Ben silly. nyahnyah.gif
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