Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 02:29 AM
Do astral beings look any different from real beings?
If not, how can you tell them apart?
Also, can I read something that is written while astral?
Are auras always present or only if you are specifically looking for them?
Now that I have someone who is playing a caster, I have to account for these things.
Needless to say, the nature of runs in my world has been turned upside down. I never thought about the idea of peeping on someone, or looking over someones shoulder in astral to steal their PIN number, etc...
moosegod
Nov 13 2003, 02:44 AM
Can't read text from the Astral Plane.
Everthing not alive looks hazy and indistinct.
Kagetenshi
Nov 13 2003, 02:48 AM
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Do astral beings look any different from real beings? If not, how can you tell them apart? |
"Real", or physical, beings won't be as clear as astral beings when viewed on the astral. Think Lord of the Rings scenes when Frodo has the ring on.
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Also, can I read something that is written while astral? |
No, but you may be able to tell the general emotion it's intended to convey.
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Are auras always present or only if you are specifically looking for them? |
Always present, but like socks you don't see them unless you look.
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looking over someones shoulder in astral to steal their PIN number, etc... |
Not gonna happen unless they've got an ATM Focus they're using.
~J
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 03:59 AM
Everything is hazy? Damn. Now I have to explain that to my player. Within which book is that noted?
Dun Fe'Ran
Nov 13 2003, 04:12 AM
LOL!!! ATM focus, huh?
Just look in SR3 for the basics of astral. Astral beings can tell when something else is astral, or even perceiving. You can see active spells and foci, too. Writing can't be read, but like was stated earlier, emotive contect can be gleaned, such as love from a love letter. Auras are around, but for the most part, ya have to at least make the motions of looking. I very much thought of it in terms of Lord of the Rings- especially the scene on weathertop. Imagine the ringwraiths as dual natured, and you can see their astral forms quite clearly. People are like the ones in Bree- you know they're alive and there, you can hear them, but they aren't quite the same.
Diesel
Nov 13 2003, 04:40 AM
How far does your "emotive content" go? I extend it to anything handwritten... technology just can't transfer the intent properly. Stop signs ans their ilk, despite being manufactured, are still obvious, however.
moosegod
Nov 13 2003, 05:06 AM
I use amount of emotion.
"I love you"
Little twinge.
Sixteen page long, drooling, soppy and heartfelt letter-
Major vibes.
Economic reports and other corps stuff- nope.
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 05:12 AM
QUOTE (moosegod) |
I use amount of emotion.
"I love you"
Little twinge.
Sixteen page long, drooling, soppy and heartfelt letter-
Major vibes.
Economic reports and other corps stuff- nope. |
What about a corp official's email to a colleague stating the misfortunes of a member of the board? There would be emotion behind that, right?
moosegod
Nov 13 2003, 05:14 AM
I meant routine data. You'd get emotion, but it'd likely be subdued, since it is a corporation and people don't matter.
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 05:35 AM
Got it.
But, I must be blind or dumb. I cannot find anything in SR3 that states what you see while astral. Help, please!
Kagetenshi
Nov 13 2003, 05:39 AM
It may have been in MitS. I'll look it up sometime when it is tomorrow in any sense other than the most technical.
~J
Digital Heroin
Nov 13 2003, 06:11 AM
You know, shoulder surfing an ATM'd work... hell, all you do is watch the motion of the hand... who needs to read numbers when you can mimick the motions...
Dun Fe'Ran
Nov 13 2003, 06:20 AM
I think I've found a new pastime. Just gotta think of a catchy handle, like the 'ATM bandit', only infinitely cooler. I think emotive content of e-mails would be up to the GM's discretion. If the same emotion is poured into it, who cares if it was produced by pen, crayon, or keystroke. But let the GM decide.
Kanada Ten
Nov 13 2003, 06:26 AM
Digital media cannot "hold" or "be impressed upon by" emotional content. The keyboard can though.
BitBasher
Nov 13 2003, 06:28 AM
I'm fairly positive ATM transactions require a thumbprint.
Dun Fe'Ran
Nov 13 2003, 06:45 AM
Doesn't that depend on how good of a credstick you have? Like the cheapest are PIN, then stuff like thumprint, voice recognition, etc.?
Kanada Ten
Nov 13 2003, 06:46 AM
Depends on the value of the transaction and credstick color. Lower the color the lower the limit, the lower the transaction the lower the precautions.
I would think someone tried this long ago and now they randomize the number set up on a digital screen.
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 06:46 AM
QUOTE (Kanada Ten) |
Digital media cannot "hold" or "be impressed upon by" emotional content. The keyboard can though. |
Oops, I meant a message passed between the two. Email came to mind, but I was thinking print on paper. Sorry...
Kanada Ten
Nov 13 2003, 06:48 AM
No, not really. The printer is not going to impress the emotion of the user unto the paper. The person who reads the book, paper memo, ect will imprint the object, however.
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 06:50 AM
If viewing in astral is blurry, peeping in on someone wouldn't be as fulfilling as I had thought. Captain Chaos (pg 22 SR3) seems pretty concerned about the idea though.
Kanada Ten
Nov 13 2003, 06:52 AM
Only non living objects are indistinct. They don't stand out, seem dull and lifeless unless imprinited upon.
People and everything else appear bright and lively (depending) with bright auras about them.
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 06:52 AM
QUOTE (Kanada Ten) |
No, not really. The printer is not going to impress the emotion of the user unto the paper. The person who reads the book, paper memo, ect will imprint the object, however. |
Again, I am not talking about digital transmissions. Email or otherwise. Even if they are printed. I meant print as in, print your name and sign below. I was thinking email when I made the original post.
Dun Fe'Ran
Nov 13 2003, 06:54 AM
Well, I don't know that it would be all that blurry...perhaps the association with Lord of the Rings should be a loose one....then again, plenty of people get "fulfillment" out of watching scrambled TV channels. American Pie anyone?
Wonazer
Nov 13 2003, 06:55 AM
So, was there ever an example given by any book on what it would look like?
Kanada Ten
Nov 13 2003, 07:48 AM
SR2 had a color picture of a projecting mage fighting watchers or some other spirits in a museum.
This isn't too bad,
Astral.
Another.
Digital Heroin
Nov 13 2003, 07:56 AM
I picture Astral as similar to what Neo sees in the Matrix...
RedmondLarry
Nov 13 2003, 05:37 PM
Here's a link to an old thread on the subject.
Astral Perception.
You'll find comments related to:
real world appears dull and muted, astral plane gray, astral forms glowing with colors.
"Light" on the astral plane comes from living things
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