I was just watching the news and they were saying how snow in the rockies is good for the tourist spots and it made me wonder. When this is no longer USA but parts of NAN nations that might have an anti-pink skin outlook, what tourist spots would still be around? What might increase?

For example the CAS would still have all it's coast lines and Orlando. CFS has it's beaches, well most of them, and the wine country.

The UCAS has NYC and Cape Cod, The Jersey Shore. But what else comes along?
Pocono skiing and Vt ski spots get a big upswing? Do the NAN try to blank out the pinkskin prejudice to get tourists back? Does stuff like the aspen Food festival and Sundance film festivals relocate to more friendly environs or do they get waved around as proof the NAN really are ok?

We know Las Vegas is still going strong (NAN1) and we can guess Chicago is a really low tourist site. Historic cities like Philadelphia and Boston, washington DC and Baltimore have their draws but what else is there? Where does mom and dad corper think to take the kiddies? Where do young corpers in love go for a holiday?

Unless there was a war, the carib league just has the bottom of florida, Miami really.

...surf's up at Big Bay WI (really)

Seriously. Of course one of the obvious is the Kingdom of Hawai'i. Tourism is still the biggest cash cow for the now independent island nation. Don't forget to pack your Predator though.

The Italian/French Riviera the place to rub elbows with the Euro chic and lose lots of your hard earned in the casinos. Oh & don't forget Monaco.

If you are human, the Swiss and Austrian (Salzburg - unless the mana stoms in the Tyrol have finally dissipated) Alps still boast some of the finest alpine skiing in the world.

...now, a little closer to home for some of us.

I am sure there is still hiking/camping in the Adarondacks (UCAS), and the Great Smoky range (CAS).

For beach and water activities there is Carolina coast, Virgina Beach, and the Gulf Coast (CAS).

For sailing and boating there is Cheapeake Bay, the Western Great Lakes and inland lakes such as Mendota in Madison (one of the best remaining college party towns) and Winnebego (FonDu Lac/Oshkosh). During the winter (if you can hack the cold) the rural areas of Wisconsin are a haven for nordic skiing and for the more speed minded, snowmobiling.

Outside of the NAN, about the only alpine skiing left in North America in pretty much now relegated to Vermont, New Hampshire, Upstate NY the UP of Michigan and Arrowhead on Minnesota. No where near the verticals of the Rockies/Wastatch though.

Finally, for just goofing around and/or partying, besides Vegas, New Orleans (and the aforementioned Madison - when the university is in session) is where to be. Not sure how NYC will fare as an entertainment/nightlife centre until Corporate Enclaves comes out.

...and remember, surf's up at Big Bay... (and here, haoles can surf)

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...almost forgot. With the shift in power down in the old TT, this could open things up for tourism here as well. Considering that the former government no doubt wanted to have a "pretty little eleven kingdom" there could be a wide range vacation opportunities. For Skiing, climbing, and hiking, there are the Cascades (sans Mt Hood of course). The Rogue and Decschutes rivers would be popular sites again for whitewater rafting. Supposedly the concentration of mana there continued to ebb according to SoNA Crater Lake could again be a mecca for hiking and camping (who knows maybe you'll see the resident "Nessie" rumoured to live in the lake). the Coast while maybe not good for surfing would still be a good place to kick back & relax year round.

"So where the fragging bloody inferno are you?"

I can imagine Australian tourism industry took a hit. The whole country seems inclined to kill you, perhaps for your water, or maybe a mana-storm throwing you off the syd harbor bridge and into the harbor, and let's not forget the need for kevlar-II umbrellas in the ever-present threat of vampire furries.

Nah! Just throw another drop bear on the barbie.

I'd forgotten SLC was still pink. (NAN1) I missed that the Ute's had fallen under the PCC, when'd that go down?

Paradise Lost shows that Hawaii is big on tourism, I assume parts of the Carib league is also in much the same business as today but do we think the NAN would open up the rockies for pinkskins for the business?

What about the Mexican hot spots? tourist ground or maybe private play areas for the Aztecnolongy corporate family members?

Because France, Spain, Portugal , Switzerland and Austria are pretty much intact their tourist areas should be ok, as long as you fit into the local prejudice. Italy would also be up in the air. With it's beachs and great art and architecture would they be jealous "You only need to see our stuff" or encourage travel and share the wealth, or maybe that tour group in Rome will shuttle you out to Venice, but you're paying through Rome so they skim the til.

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...well considering one of the more important AAA megas (and member of the Corporate Court) is HQ'd in the PC I am not surprised they are more accommodating. The fact that they are also ties to the TT is also encouraging for the nation's rise from of the elven "dark ages".

So we have established that there is in fact far more good alpine skiing than I thought. Now howsabout surfing? OK, the Kingdom of Hawai'i is a gimmie so no more discussion needed. I know there is also surfing in Australia, so that may still be fairly intact for I understand most surfing activity is pretty much along the Great Barrier Reef and South Australia. Unfortunately so are most of the sharks (remember to bring your Bat Shark Repellent Robin). On the African continent South Africa and Morocco are the two major surfing areas with some pretty excellent areas (local political scene aside).

Back to North America. The PC now controls LA but a major part of the city must still be in ruins (again need Corporate Enclaves to get the Big picture). Farther north (TT) there are not a lot of good places as the best waves there are found in Depoe Bay (Boiler Bay) which is predominantly rock outcroppings with no real beach (not conducive for doing a header into). Also the water is c-o-l-d!!!! so you need a wetsuit (so much for wearin' your baggies dude). Now the magically enterprising could create artificial surf using spirits of water, but that is taxing on the mages as each wave created would be a service. Also for the real purists it could be construed as a cheat or too artificial (like indoor surf arenas are in RL - check it out, they have them in Japan). And those monster curls like seen on the North shore, it would take one helluva greatform to make one of those.

There are indoor ski-slopes in Dubai (at least that's where I read about them, I'm sure they're in other places), so I imagine in SR that there are resorts or parks you can go to to do just about anything; surf in the morning and snowboard in the evening. Check out Dubai's hotels and scupltured islands; its a pretty good approximation of what the Luxury Lifestyle probably looks like. There's also pretty good cold water surfing in Maine, if you're crazy.

I remember from a Cyberpunk boxed set super-adventure, The Land of the Free, that sections of New Orleans had been converted into Venice-like canals. (LotF was put out in the mid-90's, although in the wake of Katrina it did feel oddly prophetic.) Depending on how much the ocean levels rise, there are probably other coastal communities that will have similar problems. If you want to play around with that, the Flood Maps site is fun. You can zoom in on Miami or New Orleans or Seattle and give them up to a 14m rise in Sea Level.

There is also surfing in Lake Eerie at cleveland. Even with the problems in LA wouldn't the beautiful people keep the beachs at Malibu going?

...I think it is more of a case that the beaches no longer exist.

Tiger Eyes, is that correct?

Also, has Lake Erie actually been cleaned up enough? Last I recall it was one of, if not the most polluted of the Great Lakes.

Meh, why bother with all the hassle that comes along with a real vacation? Lost bags, rude taxi drivers, and jet lag? Here at Recall we can give you the vacation of a lifetime and you won't be able to tell the difference from your real memories or you get your nuyen back.

... and meet triple-breasted hookers.

I grew up in New york and I live near Philadelphia. I do not know anyone who makes fun of Ohio. We think of it as farm land that preps for the great plains and has less crime and better weather than Illinois.

We all berate New Jersey and even in 2070 I bet we will. Plus ca change, plus ca le meme chose.

There are large swaths of SoCal which are still fine to surf on. I mean, the MAP notwithstanding, it is impossible for malibu to be under water if the majority of california is not. The continental shelf extends out too far, and the hills are too high. If anything, the beaches just moved vertically up the hills a bit.
I suggest using that map as a guideline for "Oh, California's coastal geography is rearranged" rather than as a literal interpretation. If you tried to say "Oh, Malibu is gone, the map says so" it'd be rather like saying, "Well, there was an earthquake, and now Bavaria is under water." It begs the question, "How, without submerging all surrounding territory as well?"

That said, I think the majority of areas in North America which are tourist traps now will remain so in 2070. Sure, them natives don't like them pinkskins, but you know what? What better way to get your revenge than to charge 'em 50 nuyen a pop to look at a geographical figure? Or convince them to gamble their money away? Or otherwise take all their wealth?

Money wins, and I think it'll ALWAYS win, when compared to paranoia.

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I think the general uncertainty of the modern SR world, plus the technological advancements make it much less likely that people will have (or want) to physically go places. As Tiger Eyes mentioned, why go to all the expense of a Disneyland vacation if you can plug into Virtual Disneyland, where the weather is always perfect and the lines are always short? (Likewise, as Dennis Miller once pointed out about VR, the day a steelworker in Pittsburgh can go home and fire up his VR-player and have sex with Claudia Schiffer, its going to make crack look like Sanka.) If a simsense ski-trip is close enough to an actual ski trip and significantly cheaper, I'd say most schmoes might go that route. The ones that can afford any sort of break at all. I think that is more in keeping with the vaguely dystopian SR fluff of wage-slavery. (Although to be fair, the family vacations I went on as a child were pretty fucking dystopian in their own right. Who goes on a cross country trip in the summer without air conditioning? Who does that?)

Its been mentioned that VITAS wiped out a lot of the islands in the CL (before they were the CL) and megacorporate interests that stepped in with aid ended up owning a lot of those islands. Saeder-Krupp owns the Dutch Antilles, and Lofwyr is said to have a lair on one of the private islands. I'm sure other megacorporates maintain resort facilities on the islands for employees, although I'd imagine the waiting list to be long and its mostly for the top-tier executives. Perhaps Ares has a lottery system where lower level employees might get a chance to go someplace like that, but its probably pretty rare. (As opposed to those lotteries people win all the time, I guess.)

But if you're looking for a vacation destinatination that mixes nightlife and natural splendor with the potential for serious violence and running, allow me to shamelessly pimp Cartagena, the Caribbean Jewel of Colombia. Get kidnapped, run drugs, get thrown off a boat by pirates into seas with six different types of awakened sharks, attempt to overthrow the government, see the toxics of the Yucatan, the blood spirits of Aztlan and the dragons of Amazonia. Who cold ask for more?

You could. Although Cartagena is a vacation spot today. Supposedly its one of the safest places in Colombia (for what that's worth, although violence and kidnapping is supposed to be relatively rare), and a popular stop for cruise ships. Its as much a Caribbean city as it is a South American one. That said, when looking for a place to set a game, you want the most interesting place possible.

Wayne Campbell: Or, imagine, being able to be magically whisked away to... Delaware.
[pauses]
Wayne Campbell: Hi. I'm in Delaware.

I assume there still is tourism, just maybe not as strong as today, and a lot of it might be corp-sponsored (benefits for workers might include 1 week per year at a company hotel, quality/location depending on the salary.) Weekend or week trips might also be good for team building, or customer relations.

...after a train trip from Milwakee to New York back in the mid 70s, I always equated the East Chicago/Hammond/Gary region to be hell. When I left Milwaukee it was a nice sunny day, blue sky & all. As we proceeded south and east of Chicago the sky became filled with an umber-orange haze and it appeared almost to be twilight (it was about 5:30 in the afternoon in late June) eerily lit by the blast furnaces and smelters we were passing.

Looked like something straight out of Dante's vision.

I hate Ohio so f'ing much.

Part of the problem with the surfing around LA (including Malibu) is that the waters have been seriously contaminated. A few nuclear plant meltdowns and desalination plants exploding will do that, not to mention all the toxic waste dumped into the ocean by industrial plants (on purpose or when they got flooded, same difference, eh?). So maybe the waves are still good, but if you don't want to end up coughing up your lungs or growing a third eye, you don't go in the water there. On top of that, there are paracritters in the water, drawn there by magic and/or pollution, that probably think surfers are tasty snacks... mmmm.... surfers...

See now, I don't think any of the studies that have indicated that time off leads to better productivity have compared against a culture that has eliminated the concept of "time off".

~J

A lot may have to do with your game world. The barrens in our game are the urban hell we expect but the rest of the world is pretty normal.

I know some games seem to make a trip to the Stuffer Shack a reason to armor up or employers who would rather keeps you hooked on BTL's rather than leave but the GM's we've had all make the world much like ours, so when you look under the rock or go into the shadows it makes it so much worse. When most wage slaves are just Joes earning a that when you do find the strung out employees it is a shock. It also can make a trip to the mall in RL a little creepy.

...I'm there with Daddy's Little Ninja. The normal (SINner) world is pretty much normal. For John & Janie Q Normal, life pretty much goes on day in & day out. They hear about crime but it usually doesn't involve them. Many Shadow ops go on with only the involved parties knowing about them. As someone alluded to in another thread, to the public Shadowrunners are kind of like the old Secret Agents of the cold war. You occasionally hear about them, there may be a few action trid shows, but for the most part, mainstream culture hums along like it always has. There is money to be made, and providing leisure pursuits for the proletariat is a good way to do it.

So yes, there are vacations ands other "diversions for the "regular folk". Heck there's the Neo Anarchist's Guide to Real Life, Shadowbeat, and the fluff section in the back of Paradise Lost. All these point to the fact there still are leisure activities (and industreis that support them) for the masses.