About Arsenal was early 2008.
So, where is it?
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I'm trying not to think about this anymore. Gives me massive headaches that even downing a 200 ct bottle of Advil at once won't relieve.
I'm trying not to think about this anymore. Gives me massive headaches that even downing a 200 ct bottle of Advil at once won't relieve.
Well, early could be January, Febuary, March, or April (first 4 months early, then next 4 are mid, last 4 are late). But who knows if that is what they ment. But I do agree, I've been waiting for this one for a while, right up there with Augmentation for me. Would be nice to at least have a soft release date of some kind now that we are on this side of '08
| QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) |
| About Arsenal was early 2008. So, where is it? |
www.catalystgamelabs.com
So, it should be out before march. Early 2008 does not mean "First two weeks in January" is means "Sometime early in the year."
Keep an eye on there..that is supposed to be the most accurate site, with anything anywhere else being hear-say.
Wasn't that books release date at one point early 2007?
| QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) |
| I'm trying not to think about this anymore. Gives me massive headaches that even downing a 200 ct bottle of Advil at once won't relieve. |
Try being the one finishing it.
http://catalystgamelabs.com/2008/01/11/new...k-announcement/ is the latest news.
| QUOTE (Jack Kain) |
| Wasn't that books release date at one point early 2007? |
Yeah, but the order of release for Arsenal and Augmentation was switched.
| QUOTE (Fortune) | ||
Yeah, but the order of release for Arsenal and Augmentation was switched. |
Which makes sense, while guns and vehicles are important, there is a heck of alot more to them(like making sure everything is nice and varied) as opposed to the stuff in Augmentation. That, and, lets face it, part of the cyberpunk genre is the cyber. So, thematically, considering most of the same guns have been around in SR for years, the most new, bleeding edge stuff that would add the chrome into things would be Augmentation.
considering basically most everyone is capable of doing some hacker/rigger stuff that would probably still have been better released first . . of course after unwired which is still waayy off *g*
It will cost as much as the main book, despite going at 200 pages?
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| of course after unwired which is still waayy off *g* |
This is incorrect, writing on Unwired is complete and the book is currently in final playtesting and editing.
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) |
| considering basically most everyone is capable of doing some hacker/rigger stuff that would probably still have been better released first |
Personally, I think they got the release order pretty much right (after the shuffle). Magic and then Augmentation, followed by Tech and the Matrix (hopefully in quick succession).
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This is incorrect, writing on Unwired is complete and the book is currently in final playtesting and editing. |
I have high hopes for Unwired. Maybe it can make some order out of the chaos that are the standard Matrix rules. It really is getting ridiculous when "house rules" for the Matrix involves rewriting the entire section of the book.
| QUOTE (Ryu) |
| It will cost as much as the main book, despite going at 200 pages? |
Core books sell better than supplements. Companies can afford to make larger print runs (which drops costs per book) and can risk lower profit margins per unit. Modern economics essentially subsidizes core material.
That's why in D&D land Unearthed Arcana costs more than the Player's Handbook. The Player's Handbook is larger, but they print and sell more of it, so that keeps their costs down and profits up. The Player's Handbook makes substantially mre money for them than Unearthed Arcana as well, despite having more material and a lower price tag.
| QUOTE (Synner) |
| This is incorrect, writing on Unwired is complete and the book is currently in final playtesting and editing. |
Yeah, but you told the dumpshock community that writing was finished on Arsenal was finished while I was writing my sections for Augmentation, so you'll forgive the masses for predicting that Unwired is "a long way off."
-Frank
| QUOTE (FrankTrollman) |
| Yeah, but you told the dumpshock community that writing was finished on Arsenal was finished while I was writing my sections for Augmentation, so you'll forgive the masses for predicting that Unwired is "a long way off." |
The masses are free to interpret what I said any way "they" want. But since I've spent quite some time in the past week proof-reading and editing finals, I'm fairly certain Arsenal will be out sooner rather than later.
For the record, what I said at the time was the "primary writing" on Arsenal was complete while wrapping Augmentation - and it was. The actual release has been delayed, amongst other reasons, by the inclusion of significant playtesting feedback, the addition inclusion of a bunch of stuff "left over" from Augmentation, and writing a number of fluff sections that we decided were necessary.
Street Magic / Augmentation / Arsenal, all core books. Unwired will depend, I have hope but hope does not make for sound business decisions.
Speaking of those, I´m very curious about the priorities of whoever will get the german license with a backlog of Augmentation, Arsenal, Unwired, and Corp Enclaves. While merely translating and printing those should be one of the better paying activities in the RPG market, it is becoming a major investment (I admit that my basic assumption -that the german market is rather large and therefore important- might simply be wrong).
Speaking of those, I´m very curious about the priorities of whoever will get the german license with a backlog of Augmentation, Arsenal, Unwired, and Corp Enclaves. While merely translating and printing those should be one of the better paying activities in the RPG market, it is becoming a major investment (I admit that my basic assumption -that the german market is rather large and therefore important- might simply be wrong).
| QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) |
| About Arsenal was early 2008. So, where is it? |
I always assume something like "early 2008" really means "as late as possible while still qualifying as early 2008".
DS
| QUOTE (Adam) | ||
Try being the one finishing it. http://catalystgamelabs.com/2008/01/11/new...k-announcement/ is the latest news. |
...thanks for the link.
"...mixing your own chemicals & explosives..." Gee, Leela (#94) may need to come out of retirement.
| QUOTE (Synner) |
| This is incorrect, writing on Unwired is complete and the book is currently in final playtesting and editing. |
...and that news that makes Violet (#95) a very happy girl.
...again, thanks much for the updates....headaches going away now...
| QUOTE (Sponge) |
| I always assume something like "early 2008" really means "as late as possible while still qualifying as early 2008". |
It could also mean the early 2008. The one that happened first. Maybe we'll have to wait for someone to develope a time machine, and the release will actually happen in 2008 BC, in order to inspire some crazy 4th world elves to be all cyberpunk, and then SR4 will seem relevant in the face of our rewritten history books.
But of course, hopefully I'll have my grubby little hands on it a littler sooner (later?) than that.
| QUOTE (Ryu) |
| It will cost as much as the main book, despite going at 200 pages? |
That's what happens when your core book is cheaper than most other core books...
| QUOTE (Sponge) |
| I always assume something like "early 2008" really means "as late as possible while still qualifying as early 2008". DS |
Microsoft and their 57th of December releases....
Yeah but Aresenal is all about toys, and nothing is better for a runner than having the neatest possible toys.
| QUOTE (Adam @ Jan 14 2008, 08:49 AM) |
| Try being the one finishing it. http://catalystgamelabs.com/2008/01/11/new...k-announcement/ is the latest news. |
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| provides advanced rules for combat and martial arts |
Oh no!
*Goes away to meditate, fast and generally prepare the soul for the next four years of eleven page Martial Arts threads that will appear every three weeks.*
Well, that says first quarter, which means we get Arsenal by the end of March. Awesome.
| QUOTE (Adam) | ||
That's what happens when your core book is cheaper than most other core books... |
Please forgive me for being shocked, my brain still occasionally calculates euro=dollar. Reality is more like 1: 1.5, and I can live with paying about 25+ euro per book (the german street magic was 35 euro, but I got a slightly damaged one on a budget).
And yeah, closer analysis of printed vs ebook prices in combination with page numbers shows that the price structure is fair, and noone heard of record profits in the RPG industry, so far. Waiting for german street prices, but so far all is well!
I sent Arsenal to the printer tonight. It still has to go through the whole printing and shipping process, of course, but it's there. More details at Shadowrun4.com. Street date to be announced when the books are in our warehouse.
When will the pdfs be released?
| QUOTE (Cain) |
| When will the pdfs be released? |
If they follow like they did with Corporate Enclaves, it will most likely be when they anounce the street date. We can expect the printing and shipping to be a month or two(about as long as it normally takes when something is actually at the Printers), so..maybe by this time in march?
Or, if you read the little blurb that Adam linked, you'll find that the PDF release date is to be discussed in the next couple of days.
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| Or, if you read the little blurb that Adam linked, you'll find that the PDF release date is to be discussed in the next couple of days. |
Yeah, and I said that if it follows the precedent set by Corporate Enclaves, I would expect the PDF to release probably in the same announcement that has the the street date for Arsenal.
Admittedly, I am eager for the previews to start!
| QUOTE (Adam) |
| I sent Arsenal to the printer tonight. It still has to go through the whole printing and shipping process, of course, but it's there. More details at Shadowrun4.com. Street date to be announced when the books are in our warehouse. |
...Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Would it be creepy if I squealed girlishly from joy/excitement?
Probably creepier now than when you actually see the book.
* Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not).
* Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not).
| QUOTE (knasser) |
| *Goes away to meditate, fast and generally prepare the soul for the next four years of eleven page Martial Arts threads that will appear every three weeks.* |
Take this with the usual grain of salt, given the source, but I've played pretty much every version of SR Martial Arts rules including a couple of fan ones. The ones in Arsenal are my favorite system to date. That said, I too am expecting eleven page Martial Arts threads to pop up pretty regularly
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| QUOTE (Synner) |
| * Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not). |
Now I can't wait to get the book.
...even more Joy!
Haha, I love that chapter name. I was already eagerly awaiting the book, and that makes it even better.
"Not any creepier than the voices talking in my head right now". Thats my verdict. Looking forward to the review threads.
| QUOTE (Synner) |
| * Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not). |
I got a good laugh at the header "Advanced Substance Abuse" as well.
| QUOTE (Synner) | ||
| Probably creepier now than when you actually see the book. * Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not).
Take this with the usual grain of salt, given the source, but I've played pretty much every version of SR Martial Arts rules including a couple of fan ones. The ones in Arsenal are my favorite system to date. That said, I too am expecting eleven page Martial Arts threads to pop up pretty regularly . |
urk x.x . . one of those things i did not like about the rulkes of SR3 was the advanced close combat stuff x.x . .
For my 1/50th of a Nuyen:
I am very much looking forward to seeing the new martial arts rules. I have no doubt we'll argue about them forever, but I'm betting they'll be fun.
Advanced Substance Abuse, I am skeptical about. Which is completely unfair, because I'm basing it entirely on the old SR addiction rules, where drinking a beer leads you into a spiral of doom which will kill you in about two months. (mmmm, hyperbole) Of course, I have enough trouble getting my PCs to use drugs, and I've flat-out told them I won't increase their addiction rating without us both talking about it first. But, they may still be helpful for managing kamikaze and other fun stuff, so the worst possible case is that it's a small part of the book that I may not use.
I'm really excited to see the vehicles and modifications. The current list is so very small.
I'm really excited about the new gear. I have a physical/social adept in my group with tons of money and nothing she wants to buy. Seriously. In all the current books, nothing. This is in a gang-level campaign, she's been hoarding her money through the entire campaign (over a year now) waiting for Arsenal to come out so that there might actually be some equipment she wants.
I am very much looking forward to seeing the new martial arts rules. I have no doubt we'll argue about them forever, but I'm betting they'll be fun.
Advanced Substance Abuse, I am skeptical about. Which is completely unfair, because I'm basing it entirely on the old SR addiction rules, where drinking a beer leads you into a spiral of doom which will kill you in about two months. (mmmm, hyperbole) Of course, I have enough trouble getting my PCs to use drugs, and I've flat-out told them I won't increase their addiction rating without us both talking about it first. But, they may still be helpful for managing kamikaze and other fun stuff, so the worst possible case is that it's a small part of the book that I may not use.
I'm really excited to see the vehicles and modifications. The current list is so very small.
I'm really excited about the new gear. I have a physical/social adept in my group with tons of money and nothing she wants to buy. Seriously. In all the current books, nothing. This is in a gang-level campaign, she's been hoarding her money through the entire campaign (over a year now) waiting for Arsenal to come out so that there might actually be some equipment she wants.
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| I'm really excited to see the vehicles and modifications. The current list is so very small. I'm really excited about the new gear. I have a physical/social adept in my group with tons of money and nothing she wants to buy. Seriously. In all the current books, nothing. This is in a gang-level campaign, she's been hoarding her money through the entire campaign (over a year now) waiting for Arsenal to come out so that there might actually be some equipment she wants. |
Shoes.
I am hoping for some more Design-Options for Vehicles/Drones . . i wanna build Johnny 5 as a Cybork or something *g*
/me pants.
| QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) |
| Would it be creepy if I squealed girlishly from joy/excitement? |
Yes.
Just to continue the creepy noises YIPEE! Really looking forward to arsenal,companion,unwired,critters book. Glad were on a better schedule this year.
| QUOTE (Synner) |
| Probably creepier now than when you actually see the book. * Goes back to skimming through the "More Ways to Die" chapter (I kid you not). |
It's a good thing I wasn't drinking when I read that...
| QUOTE (Stahlseele) | ||
Shoes. |
...Zoé Fashions™ armoured of course
Actually, I hope that the Zoé Heritage and Victory Indiustrial lines of armoured clothing are back. Also, please, please, please say that the Savalette Guardian, WW Infiltrator, and FN AAL Gyrojet are back. I would be soooooo very happy...
Hallellujah! Hallellujah! Hallelluuuuuujah!
As Moon-Hawk says, I do not aim with my hand.
Augmentation was good, too.
As Moon-Hawk says, I do not aim with my hand.
Augmentation was good, too.
Yippee!
Is the pdf out yet? I've got a game tonight.
Probably no creepier than an entire online forum of people giggling girlishly (with the exception of the girls who have the option to giggle girlishly in a non-creepy manner).
Count me in on all the celebrations. Bring on previews, PDFs and hard-copy asap, say I.
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