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tisoz
I went through all the movie threads that came up for my search and compiled this list. I will try to update it from time to time. When a new movie thread starts, feel free to cut and paste this list to the new thread. smile.gif

A couple of sources for more information about a title: The Internet Movie Database, Wikipedia

Master Movie List

15 Minutes
6th Day, The
8 mm
24
28 Days Later
Abyss, The
Aeon Flux [bioware, "corporate" enclaves, high-tech gear, horrible plague, tooth compartments, cyberware, arm transplants, phys ads]
AD Police [sprawls, cyborgs, police state, drones, corporate enclaves]
AI [artificial intelligence, sprawls, ecological destruction, drones]
Akira [sprawls, go-gangs, ecological destruction, police state, "Awakened" mutants]
Alien series
Alien Nation
Alien vs. Predator: Requiem
Alone in the Dark
American History X
American Psycho
American Yakuza Films
Among Wolves/Les Loups Entre Eux [SR style teamwork and SR style team]
Angel Heart
Appleseed [cyborgs, big guns, sprawls, ecological destruction, drones]
Army of Darkness
Assault on Precinct 13
Austin Powers movies
Avalon [Matrix/VR, "ultraviolet" nodes, sprawls]
Back to the Future 1&2
Babylon 5
Bad Company
Baise-moi
Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever
Band of the Hand
Bangkok Dangerous [gritty assassin flick]
Banlieu 13/District 13 [sprawls, "El Infirnio"-style barrios, gangs, cynical politics]
Barb Wire [dark background and naked Pam Anderson]
Batman Begins [adept mentor, twisted adept magical group]
Be Cool
Better Tomorrow, A 1&2
Beverly Hills Cop
Big Hit, The
Big Lebowski, The
Big Sleep, The
Big Trouble In Little China
Black Rain
Blackhawk Down
Blade series
Bladerunner [sprawls, ecological destruction, bioware [Replicants], class conflict, corporate enclaves, Japanese influence]
Blind Fury
Blue Thunder
Blues Brothers, The
Boondock Saints
Bottle Rocket
Bourne Identity and sequels
Brainscan
Brazil
Breakaway
Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Broken Arrow
Bronx, The
Brother
Brotherhood of the Wolf
BubbleGum Crisis [sprawls, cyborgs, police state, drones, corporate enclaves]
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Bulletproof Monk [Adepts, magic scrolls]
Bullitt
Burn Notice
Cannonball Run
Carlito's Way
Casablanca
Cave, The
Charlie’s Angels 2
Children of Men [sprawls, ecological destruction, police state, class conflict]
Chinatown
City of God [best example of the barrens ever put to film - imperialus]
City of Industry [Nothing says SR like Lucy Liu getting nekkid]
City of Lost Children
Clear and Present Danger
Cloak and Dagger
Clockwork Orange [sprawls, police state, go gangs, class conflict, science gone crazy]
Collateral
Colossus
Con Air
Condemned, The [blood sports]
Confidence
Constantine
Conversation, The
Corrupter, The
Cowboy Bebop
Cradle to the Grave
Crank
Crow, The series
Crying Freeman
Cure
Cyberwars AKA Avatar [SINs, bounty hunters, megacorps, grossly obese deckers]
Cyborg
Cypher
DareDevil
Dark Angel w/Dolph Lundgren
Dark Blue
Dark City
DaVinci Code, The
Dawn of the Dead (remake)
Day Watch
Dead or Alive
Death Machine
Death Race 2000 [sprawls, blood sports, cynical politics, crazy vehicles]
Deathwish series
Deep Blue Sea
Deep Rising
Demolition Man [sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, corporate enclaves, dystopian future, VR safer than real sex]
Departed, The
Desperado
Diehard series
Dirty Dozen, The [what hiring a bunch of random street drek for an op is really like]
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
Diva [very Paris "Shadowrun" feel]
Dog Soldiers
Domino
Doom
Dresden Files [magic and investigation and otherworldly everything]
Drop Zone
Dude, Where's My Car?
Eddie and the Cruisers
El Topo
Encrypt
Enemy of the State [Computer based subterfuge, SINless (invisible) lifestyle, covert ops]
Entrapment
Equilibrium [sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, crazy pharmacology]
Eraser
Escape From New York/LA [sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, gangs]
Every James Bond Movie
Excalibur
EXistenZ [VR/Matrix, "ultraviolet" nodes]
Exit Wounds
Face/Off
Fallen [Free spirit Trickster with Possession Power]
Farscape
Fast and the Furious, The
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Ferris Beuler's Day Off
Fifth Element, The [dystopian future, overcrowded sprawl, coffin apartment, rocker (Ruby Rhod), elemental magic, an adept (Leelu), megacorporations, and metahumans]
Fight Club
Final Fantasy [magic, ecological destruction, high-tech gear]
Firefox [run to steal an experimental jet, border crossings]
FireStarter [fire elemental adept]
Fish Called Wanda, A
Fist Full of Dollars, A
Flatliners
Fly, The [Insect spirits]
Foolproof
Fortress
Four Brothers, The
Freejack
French Connection, The
From Dusk ‘Til Dawn
Fugitive, The
Full Contact
Full Time Killers
Future Sport
Gargoyles [magic, shadowruns, secret research labs/raids, biotech, cybertech]
Gattaca
Get Shorty
Ghost Dog [Street Samurai]
Ghost in the Shell [sprawls, cyborgs, ecological destruction, VR/Matrix]
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence [sprawls, cyborgs, ecological destruction, VR/Matrix]
Ghostbusters
Ghosts of Mars
Godfather, The trilogy
God's Army I- III
Golden Child, The
Golgo 13
Gone In 60 Seconds
Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, The
Good Thief, The
Goodfellas [mafia]
Grindhouse
Grosse Pointe Blank [How mercs and assassins fit into normal society]
Gung Ho [Japanese corporate culture, feelings toward japanese expansion when SR was created]
Gymkata
Hackers [Young Angelina Jolie How deckers/hackers can screw you]
Hard Boiled
Hard Candy
Hard Rain
Hard Target
Hardware
Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man [armored long coats, hit teams, hooders]
Harry Potter series
Heat [SR style teamwork]
Heavy Metal
Heist
Hellboy [magical group, funded as a UCAS FBI black bag operation]
High Noon
Hire, The
Hollow Point
Hot Fuzz [how the runs usually go]
House of Games
Howl's Moving Castle
Hudson Hawk
Hunted, The
I Robot [sprawls, drones, high-tech gear]
Immortals, The
Indiana Jones' Franchise
Inside Man
Insider
Island, The [sprawls, bioware [clones], high-tech gear, corporate enclaves]
Italian Job, The [SR style teamwork]
Jackal, The
Jackie Brown
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
John Carpenter's Vampires
Johnny Mnemonic [shadowrunners, sprawls, cyberware, VR/Matrix, Japanese culture, monowhip, yakuza, wired reflexes, cyberzombie, headware memory]
Judge Dredd
Jurassic Park
Kill Bill
Killer, The
Killing Zoe
King Kong
King of New York
Kiss of the Dragon
LA Confidential
La Femme Nikita (French version, not TV series)
Ladykillers [SR style teamwork]
Land of the Dead
Langolears, The
Last Boyscout
Last Man Standing
Last Samurai, The
Lawnmower Man [VR/Matrix]
Layer Cake
Legally Blonde [face]
Leon: The Professional
Limey, The
Live Free or Die Hard [hackers, ineffective encryption, a Johnson who knocks off his freelancers to tie up loose ends, Mr. Lucky]
Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
Logan’s Run
Long Goodbye, The
Long Kiss Goodnight, The
Lord of War [arms dealer, face]
Lost Boys, The
Lucky Number Slevin
LXG
Mad Max series [dystopian future, ecological destruction, go gangs, crazy vehicles]
Magnificent Seven, The [hiring a runner team, runner team, SR style teamwork]
Maltese Falcon, The
Man on Fire
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The
Mariachi
Matador, The
Matrix, The [VR/Matrix, AI, ultraviolet nodes, ecological destruction, sprawls]
Max Headroom [VR/Matrix, AI, sprawls, corporate enclaves, Japanese culture, media saturation]
Mean Guns
Memento
Men in Black, MIB2
Mercury Rising
Metropolis
Miami Vice
Miller’s Crossing
Mimic
Minority Report [Augmented Reality, drones, bioware, crazy pharmacology, magic [psychics], sprawls, crazy vehicles, high-tech gear]
Mission, The
Mission Impossible [SR style teamwork]
Montana
Mother Night
Mr. and Mrs. Smith
Mummy, The (Returns)
Munich
National Treasure
Negotiator, The
Nemesis
Nest, The
New Rose Hotel [shadowrunners, commlinks, Japanese culture]
New York 1997
Net, The [Computer based subterfuge, Hackers, Internet (matrix) terrorism]
Nightwatch
Nikita
Ninth Gate, The
No Country For Old Men [worth including for the action scenes, and the socio-political commentary.]
No Escape
Ocean's Eleven, etc [SR style teamwork]
Office Space
One, The
Once Upon a Time in Mexico
Once Upon a Time in the West
Opportunists, The
Order, The
Out of Sight
Outlaw Josey Wales, The
Over There
Panic Room
Patton
Payback
Paycheck
People I Know
Perfect Score, The
Phoenix
Planet of the Cannibals
Point Blank
Point Break
Point of No Return
Postman, The
Predator series [Ruthenium/Chameleon Suit, sprawls, ecological destruction, gangs]
Proof of Life
Psycho [Hiding out after the run]
Pulp Fiction
Punisher, The
Ravenous
Real Men [spy/action film parody, clown hit squad, legwork]
Red Dawn
Reign of Fire [Dragons and tanks, ecological destruction, dragons in modern times]
Relic, The
Remo Williams - The Adventure Begins
Renaissance [sprawls, corporate influence, smartlinks, paid criminals, crazy pharmacology, shades of gray morality]
Replacement Killers, The
Reservoir Dogs [SR style teamwork]
Resident Evil series
Returner
Revenge
Rise:Blood Hunter [Naked Lucy Lui kills vampires]
Rising Sun [japanese corp environment]
Robocop [shadowrun team hired by a corporate Mr. Johnson, cyberware, corporate enclaves, high-tech gear, media saturation, privatized police, cyberzombie]
Rock, The
Rollerball (original & remake) [blood sports, corporate enclaves]
Romeo Must Die
Romper Stomper
Ronin [SR style teamwork, showing what Shadowrunners "do", Mr. Johnson]
Running Man (Le prix du danger / The price of peril) [blood sports, corporate enclaves, media saturation, sprawls, ecological destruction, cynical politics]
Running Scared
S1m0ne [virtual reality]
Safehouse
Saint, The
Salton Sea, The
Scanners
Scarface
Score, The
Screamers
Semi-Automatic
Serenity [sci fi tech, adept martial arts stuff, secret government projects, normal people turned into rampaging cannibals (HMVV)]
Series 7
Seven
Seven Samurai [SR style teamwork]
Shadow, The [What a guy with Invisibility and Illusion spells can do]
Shaft
Shaun of the Dead [ghouls]
Shawshank Redemption
Shoot "Em Up [gun/melee adept, squatter lifestyle, biometric safety]
Shooter
Shrek the Third [Shrek - leader, Puss - sammie, Donkey - connections, Artie - string-pulling face, kingdom coup, shifting alliances]
Silent Mobius [magic, sprawls, cyborgs, flying cars]
Silent Trigger
Silverado [SR style teamwork]
Silver Streak [Leonardo's letters, Face example, getting through security checkpoints, motivation for running, racism]
Sin City
Skyline Cruisers
Smokin’ Aces [multiple teams converging on same target]
Snatch
Sneakers [SR style teamwork]
Solarbabies [magic, ecological destruction, police state, blood sports]
Soldier [stuck in the barrens with some Megacorp's private army tearing the place up to find you, dystopian future, corp experiment]
Solo [corp experiment]
Soundless
Soylent Green [dystopian future, soy foods, sprawls, class warfare, ecological destruction]
Spanish Prisoner, The
Spartan
Spawn - The animated director's cut
Species [bug hunt]
Speed (only the first one)
Split Second
Spy Games
Star Wars [SR style teamwork]
Starship Troopers
Steel Dawn
Sting, The
Strange Days [VR/Matrix, shadowrunners, AR, sprawls, class warfare, cynical politics, dystopian future, BTLs]
Stranger Than Fiction
Straight Shooter
Streets of Fire
Subway
Suicide Kings
Surviving the Game
Swordfish [SR style teamwork]
Taking of Pelham One Two Three
Tank Girl
Taxi
Telefon
Terminator, The series [sprawls, cyborgs, high-tech gear, threat of possible dystopian future]
Tetsuo: The Iron Man [sprawls, cyborgs, bioware]
Thick as Thieves
Thief
Think Big
Things to do in Denver when You're Dead
Third Man, The
This Is England
This Gun for Hire
Thomas Crown Affair
To Cast A Deadly Spell
To Catch a Thief
Tomb Raider films
Tombstone
Total Recall
Touch of Evil
Training Day
Transporter, The
Triads, The Inside Story
Trigun
True Lies
True Romance
Twelve monkeys
Two, The
Two Jakes, The
Ultraviolet [sprawls, Awakened people, high-tech gear, Asian influence]
Unbreakable [adept who has denied his abilities, Immunity to Normal Weapons, Immunity to Pathogens/Toxins, boosted strength, mystic armor, some sort of sixth sense, Weakness (Water)]
Under Siege
Undercover Blues
Underworld
Unforgiven, The (Clint Eastwood version)
Universal Soldier
Unleashed
Untouchables, The
US Marshalls
Usual Suspects, The [SR style teamwork]
Vampires
Versus
Volcano High
Virtuosity [sprawls, VR/Matrix, AI, cyborgs, drones, police state, class warfare]
Wall Street [Corporations only concerned with bottom line, corporate espionage]
Wargames
Warlock, The movies [runners have somehow called down the wrath of the biggest baddest mojo slingers there are]
Warriors, The [gangs with themes]
Way of the Gun, The
Where Eagles Dare
White Noise
Whole 9 Yards, The
Wild at Heart
Wild Bunch, The [SR style teamwork]
Wild Geese, The
Wild, Wild West
Wizards
World Police: Team America
X-Men series [Adepts/spellcasters, secret training facility, high tech gear]
Yakuza [yakuza, realistic swordplay]
Year of the Rat
Zatoichi series [Blind sword adept/Mercenary criminal with a heart of gold]
Dashifen
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Lionhearted
I'd love to point out that you missed one, however I can't think of one that's not already on that list (i'd assume).. great work and eek.gif
djinni
there's alot of names on the list that are extremely questionable, any chance you can add a parin behind them that states what aspects of the movie are shadowrunish?
martindv
But that takes all the fun out of watching this thread explode into "what makes it a SR movie". I mean, I wouldn't even be so cruel to torture someone by making them watch Ultraviolet, let alone suggest others watch it out of their own free will.

BTW, you have Predator, but not Predator 2. Under Siege, but not Under Siege 2: Dark Territory. Also you have The Mariarchi Trilogy, but then list Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico separately.

Other than that. That's an awesome list.
Cool Mirage
Ehh, I totally have to agree with Djinni. I mean, you could put 75% of the IMDB into that list if you try and stretch the commonalities between those movies and then compare them to shadowrun.
Aaron
QUOTE (Cool Mirage @ Feb 12 2008, 04:57 PM) *
Ehh, I totally have to agree with Djinni. I mean, you could put 75% of the IMDB into that list if you try and stretch the commonalities between those movies and then compare them to shadowrun.

That gives me an idea. What if we took the film that most of us agreed was the most Shadowrunny film, and then got a list of films that shared one or more IMDb tags with the chosen film?

Of course, the trick is deciding what the seed should be. I'd vote for Ronin.

That being said, one could determine a film's Shadowrunniness by finding the list of films that share one or more IMDb tags with it and determining how many of those films would also qualify as Shadowrunny.

hyzmarca
Zatoichi. You can't have Blind Fury on there without the movie series that inspired it.

I must also protest that Baise-moi isn't included, though I probably forgot to mention it in previous threads.
nathanross
I know this would be a decent bit of work, but would it be possible for this to be made sticky, and for each title to link to either IMDB or Wikipedia. Also, color coding based on source (aka, Anime, TV Series, Movie) would be nice. As Im seeing A LOT of anime, and I get those from a different place than normal movies.
Fix-it
list is missing No Country For Old Men not sci-fi, but worth including. both for the action scenes, and the socio-political commentary.
Fortune
If it matters, I vote no on the 'Sticky' idea. Stickies should only be for important stuff. In my opinion, 'Movies That Can In Some Remote Way Be Seen As Being Shadowrun-ny' is not really all that important that it needs to clutter the forum every single time I load a page.
nathanross
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 12 2008, 08:55 PM) *
If it matters, I vote no on the 'Sticky' idea. Stickies should only be for important stuff. In my opinion, 'Movies That Can In Some Remote Way Be Seen As Being Shadowrun-ny' is not really all that important that it needs to clutter the forum every single time I load a page.

Would you rather have a movie thread pop up every month? This topic comes us SOOOOOO many times, I just assume stick it. And there should be at least some info after the title, so that we know what about the movie relates to Shadowrun)

Example:

Ghost in the Shell (Cyberpunk, Cybertechnology, AI)
Ghost Hound (Astral Projection)

Not a complete solution, but I think it would be good to perhaps have a movie section within the Discussion forum.
Fortune
QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 13 2008, 02:23 PM) *
Would you rather have a movie thread pop up every month?


Shrug. Yes!
martindv
It's not hurting anything or anyone.
nathanross
QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 13 2008, 12:42 AM) *
It's not hurting anything or anyone.

I didnt say it's hurting anyone, but it seems there's a lot of annoyance every time one comes. I just dont know why a group as intelligent as ourselves cant do something that would be worthwhile and save time in the long run.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (tisoz)
Italian Job, The

...of course only original with Michael Caine and Benny Hill...

...accept no substitutes
Fortune
QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 13 2008, 06:38 PM) *
I didnt say it's hurting anyone, but it seems there's a lot of annoyance every time one comes.


Seems to me that the only one bitching about it in this thread is you.
nathanross
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 13 2008, 04:12 AM) *
Seems to me that the only one bitching about it in this thread is you.

HAHAHAHA, TRUE!
Still, Ill just be patient for a "I told you so!" wink.gif
Casper
Not a bitch but why is king kong on this list?
martindv
QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 13 2008, 05:17 AM) *
HAHAHAHA, TRUE!
Still, Ill just be patient for a "I told you so!" wink.gif

Good luck with that.
tisoz
QUOTE (djinni @ Feb 12 2008, 02:11 PM) *
there's alot of names on the list that are extremely questionable, any chance you can add a parin behind them that states what aspects of the movie are shadowrunish?

I am not familiar with all the movies. As a matter of fact, I even like when a movie thread pops up and one is listed that sounds good enough to track down and see.

If people want to go through and annotate/discuss the merits of why it is SRish, I will try to edit the list and include the concensus, especially if it is an easy cut & paste.

QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 12 2008, 04:21 PM) *
But that takes all the fun out of watching this thread explode into "what makes it a SR movie". I mean, I wouldn't even be so cruel to torture someone by making them watch Ultraviolet, let alone suggest others watch it out of their own free will.

BTW, you have Predator, but not Predator 2. Under Siege, but not Under Siege 2: Dark Territory. Also you have The Mariarchi Trilogy, but then list Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico separately.

Other than that. That's an awesome list.

I compiled the movies I saw listed elsewhere. Maybe people did not think the sequels were as SRish, or maybe they thought it was obvious and did not need listed. Mariachi trilogy and then listing them individually is my own ignorance. I think I will edit trilogy part so that all three titles appear for others as ignorant as myself.

There are some movies that get mentioned all the time, usually early in a thread, and usually again a few pages later when a late comer mentions it again and says they can't believe no one mentioned it yet. If everyone wants to agree on some of these titles, maybe they can be set apart (as listed as the first relatively small group) or get an asteric or have the title bolded. I favor the bolding, but if I link them like someone suggested, I would do it so the title was the click-through and bolding would not show. A better idea on my part may be including links to IMDB and Wikipedia and letting you lazy fraggers type in ech title. Then the titles can get bolded. With the SRish elements listed, curiosity can then overcome laziness. spin.gif

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 12 2008, 07:52 PM) *
Zatoichi. You can't have Blind Fury on there without the movie series that inspired it.

I must also protest that Baise-moi isn't included, though I probably forgot to mention it in previous threads.

hyzmarca, I am sorry to admit, but you force me to, that some of your recommendations were ones that I purposefully omitted. You listed some really obscure movies, at least to me, that did not elicit any response in the original thread they appeared, that I wondered if the thread had derailed or if you had access to movies the genaral population has never heard of or will never get a chance to see. I think once you went on about a particular martial art and movies that demonstrated it well - I think I omitted them.

I am sorry if I wronged you. Is Zatoichi the movie you feel inpired Blind Fury (I say you feel because there was quite an argument about 4 filma that supposedly inspired or were remakes without any actual credit appearing in the film.) While I am at it, point out its SR qualities so I can include the entry. Ditto, Baise-moi.

QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 12 2008, 08:06 PM) *
I know this would be a decent bit of work, but would it be possible for this to be made sticky, and for each title to link to either IMDB or Wikipedia. Also, color coding based on source (aka, Anime, TV Series, Movie) would be nice. As Im seeing A LOT of anime, and I get those from a different place than normal movies.

LOL!

I will see how much time I have to kill about linking them. As far as color coding them, I am too ignorant. For example, I did not know Renaissnce was animated until the other day when I requested the library put a hold on it. Then again, it may have been so bad to me that I already saw it and eradicated all traces of it from my memory. I am an old codger, so anime to me is a bit like that banging you kids call music. If a lot of people agree something anime is good, I try to see it. But if someone just mentions an anime title, I will see it when I am really bored. (I compiled this list before I went looking for anime. wink.gif)

If people want to include what category/genre the title is when they are coming up with the SRish qualities, I will try editing them in (remember: cut & paste makes it easy on me/more likely to get 'er done.)

QUOTE (nathanross @ Feb 12 2008, 10:23 PM) *
Would you rather have a movie thread pop up every month? This topic comes us SOOOOOO many times, I just assume stick it. And there should be at least some info after the title, so that we know what about the movie relates to Shadowrun)

Example:

Ghost in the Shell (Cyberpunk, Cybertechnology, AI)
Ghost Hound (Astral Projection)

Not a complete solution, but I think it would be good to perhaps have a movie section within the Discussion forum.

I do not like stickies myself. If it got stickied somewhere, it would probably be moved to another forum, anyway. (IMO)

I like the idea of how the Title relates to SR, but like I said, I am not the complete authority and am ignorant of some titles or even why some were mentioned in the original thread they appeared.

If people contribute their thoughts, eventually there may be a few titles that no one has thoughts about, and we can somewhat agree they are not all that SRish and can be omitted from the list.

QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 AM) *
...of course only original with Michael Caine and Benny Hill...

...accept no substitutes

I thought I put both versions?

QUOTE (Casper @ Feb 13 2008, 04:27 AM) *
Not a bitch but why is king kong on this list?

Someone mentioned it in a thread. IIRC, they mentioned the Big Game Hunt SR scenario, and maybe something about exploring a foreign environment comparing it to what might be an awakened environment. Most of the King Kong movies had those elements.
mfb
City of Industry. nothing says "Shadowrun" like Lucy Liu getting nekkid.
tisoz
QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 13 2008, 01:44 PM) *
City of Industry. nothing says "Shadowrun" like Lucy Liu getting nekkid.

Never heard of it, but it has been added along with your reason for it being SR related.
D Minor
What about "harvey" . The best drunken freespirt around (who happens to look like a 6 foot rabbit )

Linky to the Pooka



Think I'm going to have to stat Harvey up ork.gif
hyzmarca
QUOTE (tisoz @ Feb 13 2008, 12:22 PM) *
I think once you went on about a particular martial art and movies that demonstrated it well - I think I omitted them.
That was probably Wounded Ronin.

QUOTE
I am sorry if I wronged you. Is Zatoichi the movie you feel inpired Blind Fury (I say you feel because there was quite an argument about 4 filma that supposedly inspired or were remakes without any actual credit appearing in the film.) While I am at it, point out its SR qualities so I can include the entry. Ditto, Baise-moi.

I don't think there is any controversy over the fact that Blind Fury is a modern western version of Zatoichi. The two are practically identical and the plot of Blind Fury is pretty much the same as the plot of Zatoichi Challenged. In fact, pretty much everything I can find in about Blind Fury makes this connection.

Zatoichi is one of the longest running film series in Japan; I don't think that it is fair to call it obscure.

Ichi is a blind man who ostensibly makes a living wandering from village to village selling massages and hustling dice. He is also a freelance gangster and a master swordsman who often sells his skills to local Yakuza factions for large sums of money. Generally he performs a service for the local Yakuza but finds that they do not meet his high standard of Yakuza honor and so turns against them when his employment is done. This leads to a huge fight scene in which Zatoichi slays dozens of opposing swordsman. Tarantino himself stated that Zatoichi's huge fight scenes were the inspiration for the battle between The Bride and The Crazy 88 in Kill Bill volume 1.

Baise-moi is either an orgy of anarchistic nihilism or an orgy of nihilistic anarchism, though I'm not sure which. And it's French. It's basically about a couple of downtrodden women who are fed up with their worthless crappy lives and go on a cross-country murder spree together. It's sort of like Thelma and Louise with unsimulated sex and a great deal more violence. And it's French. Also, it is banned in Australia.
Fortune
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 14 2008, 10:32 AM) *
Also, it is banned in Australia.


Well, that made me click the linky. biggrin.gif
tisoz
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 13 2008, 06:32 PM) *
I don't think there is any controversy over the fact that Blind Fury is a modern western version of Zatoichi. The two are practically identical and the plot of Blind Fury is pretty much the same as the plot of Zatoichi Challenged. In fact, pretty much everything I can find in about Blind Fury makes this connection.

I was not speaking specifically about this example. Your citation of proof is really weak, though I will agree with the assertion.

QUOTE
Zatoichi is one of the longest running film series in Japan; I don't think that it is fair to call it obscure.

I have never been to japan and until it gets exported and shows up in the video aisle, I doubt a majority of US (or european) people are going to get a chance to see it. So what is your definition of obscure, or what would be a better word to describe it than obscure?

QUOTE
Baise-moi is either an orgy of anarchistic nihilism or an orgy of nihilistic anarchism, though I'm not sure which. And it's French. It's basically about a couple of downtrodden women who are fed up with their worthless crappy lives and go on a cross-country murder spree together. It's sort of like Thelma and Louise with unsimulated sex and a great deal more violence. And it's French. Also, it is banned in Australia.

With a title of Fuck Me, I wonder why? Also, following your link and learning a little about the film and its actors/actresses, where should we draw the line on what some consider porn? In the golden age of big budget porn, there were some epics and classics with SR themes. Should we include them. Most of them would probably have better name recognition than Fuck Me.

If you insist on having me add them to the list, at least present them in the proper cut & paste format of title followed by SRish elements that are examples for emulation.

I really have to wonder if you and your buddy do this just to yank my chain.
mfb
eh, you can get Zatoichi from Blockbuster. that said, you can also get a lot of awesome Korean films nobody's ever heard of from Blockbuster (you must acquire 2009: Lost Memories and Friend, if nothing else). there are a lot of people who've at least heard of Zatoichi... and there are also a lot of people who haven't.
tisoz
Ah, at last. A confirmation.
hyzmarca
QUOTE (tisoz @ Feb 13 2008, 09:09 PM) *
I was not speaking specifically about this example. Your citation of proof is really weak, though I will agree with the assertion.


I have never been to japan and until it gets exported and shows up in the video aisle, I doubt a majority of US (or european) people are going to get a chance to see it. So what is your definition of obscure, or what would be a better word to describe it than obscure?


http://www.amazon.com/s/103-9162962-231825...=Mozilla-search
They've all been released in North America and Europe for some time now. Decades, actually. And new versions are released every now and then.

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With a title of Fuck Me, I wonder why? Also, following your link and learning a little about the film and its actors/actresses, where should we draw the line on what some consider porn? In the golden age of big budget porn, there were some epics and classics with SR themes. Should we include them. Most of them would probably have better name recognition than Fuck Me.

I'd suggest that the difference between porn and not porn is that in not porn sex may be integral to the plot but in porn sex is the whole point of the movie. But, as porn goes, I think that there are some anime entries that are better adapted to SR than most golden age classics. Take, for example, La Blue Girl (Ninja magician adepts fighting life-draining sex demons).

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If you insist on having me add them to the list, at least present them in the proper cut & paste format of title followed by SRish elements that are examples for emulation.


Zatoichi series [Blind sword adept/Mercenary criminal with a heart of gold]

Edit:
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I really have to wonder if you and your buddy do this just to yank my chain.

I once did a search for banned movies ( Wikipedia has a nice list) and made an effort to obtain all of them that looked good, by hook or by crook. You can find some pretty good movies by looking for stuff that has been banned in modern Western democracies. I found both Baise-moi and Ken Park this way, among other movies.
mfb
QUOTE (hyzmarca)
I'd suggest that the difference between porn and not porn is that in not porn sex may be integral to the plot but in porn sex is the whole point of the movie.

there really should be more movies with awesome sex, where the awesome sex isn't the point of the movie.

haha, Iran's banned movie list is a riot. The Dark Crystal? really?
Critias
QUOTE (djinni @ Feb 12 2008, 02:11 PM) *
there's alot of names on the list that are extremely questionable, any chance you can add a parin behind them that states what aspects of the movie are shadowrunish?

Someone that likes Shadowrun also likes the movie, and said it was Shadowrunish on Dumpshock. Ta-da!
tisoz
QUOTE (djinni @ Feb 12 2008, 02:11 PM) *
there's alot of names on the list that are extremely questionable, any chance you can add a parin behind them that states what aspects of the movie are shadowrunish?

I would welcome others input for this. It should be obvious by now, I have not even heard of every movie on this list.

Wow, I just put in a request to my local library for a hold on "No Country for Old Men". There is a waiting list of over a hundred people. For perspective, the only time the I see the list go over a hundred is for a blockbuster hit, or a reaaally good chick flick. wink.gif
Critias
Well, No Country is up for like a gajillion awards and stuff. I'm not surprised it's pretty popular.
tisoz
I had not heard about it and saw that it Grossed 50 some million dollars, respectable, but no where near blockbuster.
Critias
Right, I think it's doing that "slow burn" sort of gig (like There Will Be Blood). One of those weird gigs where it's the critical acclaim that brings the dvd/rental sort of money, as opposed to a totally awesome run at the movie theaters bringing the financial success.

I know it's getting pimped hard for Oscars and crap, and the only mention of it I heard while it was still in theaters was a thread on Glocktalk where someone asked a gun question. So despite not being a smash hit on opening weekend or whatever, the fact it's getting all sorts of press as awards come rolling around doesn't surprise me.
martindv
QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 14 2008, 01:09 PM) *
Well, No Country is up for like a gajillion awards and stuff. I'm not surprised it's pretty popular.

Why? Save for the opbvious ones like Titanic and Braveheart, there has generally been a trend where there exists a giant disconnect between popular movies and what the academy and various guild deem as best picture winners. Since like the 80s.
tisoz
I wonder if we should annotate this movie list to include awards won? I think the Usual Suspects won an Oscar for best original screenplay, The Godfather and II both won for best picture (I think that is the only time a film and its sequel have done so).

Probably not, as I am sure someone will want to include every obscure award out there, like the winner of the North Podunk film revival for best performance by a dwarf doing voiceover in a foreign film for some film they love. "I swear, you couldn't even tell he was a dwarf, and he must be a genius as the translation was spot on." sarcastic.gif
Wesley Street
"Dude Where's My Car?"? "Legally Blonde"?!? Seriously? Oh man, this Shadowrun master movie list needs to be trimmed a bit. Of course, everyone's definition of what makes Shadowrun Shadowrun is different but to me it's a mash-up of near-future dystopian 80s cyberpunk, modern post-cyberpunk, and New Age Magic (spirits represent whatever you want them to, semi-scientific explanations for Awakened flora and fauna, no "gods" or "demons" like in D&D). There are many elements you can pull from many different films that are a part of the Shadowrun system and universe. But it's the concepts I just listed that are unique to Shadowrun. So using those criteria here's what I came up with in terms of a movie list along with what Shadowrun elements apply. Please note that these are only the films I've seen and I don't claim to be an expert... there are more out there.

Aeon Flux (bioware, "corporate" enclaves, high-tech gear)
AD Police (sprawls, cyborgs, police state, drones, corporate enclaves)
AI (sprawls, ecological destruction, drones)
Akira (sprawls, go-gangs, ecological destruction, police state, "Awakened" mutants)
Appleseed (cyborgs, big guns, sprawls, ecological destruction, drones)
Avalon (Matrix/VR, "ultraviolet" nodes, sprawls)
Banlieu 13/District B13 (sprawls, "El Infirnio"-style barrios, gangs, cynical politics)
Bladerunner (sprawls, ecological destruction, bioware [Replicants], class conflict, corporate enclaves, Japanese influence)
BubbleGum Crisis (sprawls, cyborgs, police state, drones, corporate enclaves)
Children of Men (sprawls, ecological destruction, police state, class conflict)
Clockwork Orange (sprawls, police state, go gangs, class conflict, science gone crazy)
Death Race 2000 (sprawls, blood sports, cynical politics, crazy vehicles)
Demolition Man (sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, corporate enclaves)
Equilibrium (sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, crazy pharmacology)
Escape From New York/LA (sprawls, police state, ecological destruction, gangs)
EXistenZ (VR/Matrix, "ultraviolet" nodes)
Final Fantasy (magic, ecological destruction, high-tech gear)
Ghost in the Shell (sprawls, cyborgs, ecological destruction, VR/Matrix)
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence (sprawls, cyborgs, ecological destruction, VR/Matrix)
I Robot (sprawls, drones, high-tech gear)
Island, The (sprawls, bioware [clones], high-tech gear, corporate enclaves)
Johnny Mnemonic (shadowrunners, sprawls, cyberware, VR/Matrix, Japanese culture)
Lawnmower Man (VR/Matrix)
Mad Max series (ecological destruction, go gangs, crazy vehicles)
Matrix, The (VR/Matrix, AI, ultraviolet nodes, ecological destruction, sprawls)
Max Headroom (VR/Matrix, AI, sprawls, corporate enclaves, Japanese culture, media saturation)
Minority Report (bioware, crazy pharmacology, magic [psychics], sprawls, crazy vehicles, high-tech gear)
New Rose Hotel (shadowrunners, commlinks, Japanese culture)
Predator 2 (sprawls, ecological destruction, gangs)
Reign of Fire (ecological destruction, dragons in modern times)
Robocop (cyberware, corporate enclaves, high-tech gear, police state, media saturation)
Rollerball (original) (blood sports, corporate enclaves)
Running Man (blood sports, corporate enclaves, media saturation, sprawls, ecological destruction, cynical politics)
Silent Mobius [The most Shadowrun-y film I've ever seen... literally Bladeruner in Tokyo with magic] (magic, sprawls, cyborgs, flying cars)
Solarbabies (magic, ecological destruction, police state, blood sports)
Soylent Green (sprawls, class warfare, ecological destruction)
Strange Days (VR/Matrix, shadowrunners, AR, sprawls, class warfare, cynical politics)
Terminator, The series (sprawls, cyborgs, high-tech gear)
Tetsuo 2: The Iron Man (sprawls, cyborgs, bioware)
Ultraviolet (sprawls, Awakened people, high-tech gear, Asian influence)
Virtuosity (sprawls, VR/Matrix, AI, cyborgs, drones, police state, class warfare)

I welcome additions!
Aaron
I'd like to nominate Shoot Em Up for the list.
martindv
QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Feb 15 2008, 02:15 PM) *
"Dude Where's My Car?"? "Legally Blonde"?!? Seriously?

Have you seen either of those movies?

First, there is a whole discussion about "Dude..." in another thread that makes a compelling argument. As for Legally Blonde, I'm going to guess it has something to do with Elle being an uber-Face.
BFaolan
Adding to Wesley Street's List (having just seen the movie last night)

Renaissance (sprawls, corporate influence, smartlinks, paid criminals, crazy pharmacology, shades of gray morality)
hyzmarca
Rise:Blood Hunter [Naked Lucy Lui kills vampires]
tisoz
QUOTE (Aaron @ Feb 17 2008, 01:44 PM) *
I'd like to nominate Shoot Em Up for the list.

Can you list its Shadowrun elements? [action]
martindv
QUOTE (BFaolan @ Feb 17 2008, 08:04 PM) *
Renaissance (sprawls, corporate influence, smartlinks, paid criminals, crazy pharmacology, shades of gray morality)

I didn't much like that movie. It is actually why I am hesitant to watch any movie just because it's recommended for being a good SR movie.

But it is very much a Shadowrun movie.
BFaolan
QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 17 2008, 06:52 PM) *
I didn't much like that movie. It is actually why I am hesitant to watch any movie just because it's recommended for being a good SR movie.

But it is very much a Shadowrun movie.


My better half qualified it perfectly: it was good. Once. Never again.
martindv
I fell asleep watching the DVD. Twice.

But that's interesting. I thought the same thing about Mystic River. It was a great movie I hope I never see again.
Critias
There are several movies that are like that. Excellent films, that just aren't pleasant to watch.
martindv
Children of Men almost made me sick.
Wesley Street
QUOTE (BFaolan @ Feb 17 2008, 08:04 PM) *
Adding to Wesley Street's List (having just seen the movie last night)

Renaissance (sprawls, corporate influence, smartlinks, paid criminals, crazy pharmacology, shades of gray morality)


Oh that's EXCELLENT! The movie wasn't great but it's definitely got the look and feel. Good call (and I can't believe I forgot that one)! smile.gif
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