Is that manga or anime?

Manga, post-Puppeteer.

Anybody with Arsenal & Augmentation statted up one of these folks as jarheads? Mine are back ordered at Amazon or waiting on hardcopy release.

I just got augmentation. I'd been planning on reworking a character I statted up based on Batou, so I might as well work on this too. (Going by the basic rules from SR4, he came out too RoboCop for my tastes)

I'm not as familiar with SAC as I am with the movies, but one thing I noticed: Her stealth abilities aren't consistent. In some cases, it's shown as being a part of her body, in others, it's built into an external device. (ie: The plastic sheet she wears in the first movie, during the fight in the rain puddles.)

One other thing: Those comments from Batou about getting a male-type body? I always took that to be a joking reference to male chauvinism, not an actual statement of fact--akin' to saying: "Why don't you switch out to a black chassis so you can jump better?" It doesn't mean male-model cyborgs are actually stronger in the GITS universe--it's just a reference to the fact that she is perceived a certain way, when her behavior is actually more masculine and badass than some of the male members of her team. (Togusa comes to mind.)

The Major likely is a jarhead, while most other section nine types are cyber modified - only Saito seems to also be a jarhead.

The Major basically pilots insanely fast and rather strong infiltration/combat otomos, having a preference for a certain look. Her face isn't one of a kind, for all I remember (Saito's is, it's been custom designed). However, to explain her über hacking abilities, she ought to be a hacker adept. I'm not sure whether that's possible - jarhead adepts. Do jarheads have an essence index? Considering her stunts, she'd need free fall, traceless walk, and +3 on every hacking-related skill. I'm unsure she has skillwires though.

Her body definitly needs to be RP covered though, as she can switch her camo on naked (actually, that seemed a prerogative in the first Oshii movie, though SAC was elss conclusive there).

Bateau is your classic high-powered streetam, and among other things has a cyberarm with integrated shotgin, the usual eyes package, commlink, two datajacks and augmented muscles.


Both, definitly. Though I always got the feeling she's so distanced from her body, she just doesn't care much.

Saito? no, he's got the least cyber in the entire section, except for Togusa. Ishikawa is actually listed as having the second-most cyber, behind Kusanagi. which is odd, considering how badly he got messed up towards the end of 2nd Gig; i wouldn't think you'd put a cyberarm in a sling.

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In one of the second SAC's episodes, both the Major comes out about having had sex with Saito (Major: "Yeah, I know about his 'only sleep with the same woman once' stuff. Didn't really believe that though ... oh well." Bateau: "Meh.") and it is revealed that Saito is a jarhead. Also, it's unclear wether or not he is, after this episode, still the same jar piloting the Saito-body, or some sort of strange stalker woman. Of course, you could just look up the jar's serial numbers, but apparently, either they have none or the Major doesn't think of this when she said "we'll never know".

I dunno. Ishikawa never struck me as being good in anything besides decking, so I really wonder where all this cyber of his is and what it's good for.

oh, that's Paizo, not Saito. Saito is the sniper, Paizu is the quiet knife-guy. and yeah, the only indication that Ishikawa has any serious cyber is the fact that he's always the guy with the big guns. and, hell, they're generally not that big.

Argh. I keep confusing the SAC-only Sec9ers. Shame on me, I suppose.

Anyway, Ishikawa never had Bateau's BFG, did he? For as much as I remember, it's usually Bateau when there's really lots of shooting to be done (in Innocence, he wipes out a bar full of cybered yaks in less than 15 seconds, after all).

aw, that was just a machinegun. Ishikawa got to use the giant glue cannon! i want that on my resume: "stopped a rampaging tank using only glue, bazooka".

By 'BFG' I mean the "Shoot head-sized holes into that underarmed, low-ammo crab tank thingy from GitS 1"-gun he used at the end of that movie ("your standard-issue big gun", I think he described it as).

haha, true. though to be fair, you hardly got to see Ishikawa and the rest of the team at all in either movie.

Yupp, they'd been completly marginaliused, sadly. At least they get some spotlight in SAC 1 and, moreso, 2 (Haven't seen SSS, though).

As soon as I score Augmentation, I think I'm just going to go CyberZombie for her. Jar Head sounds like the more accurate (to the soure material) depiction, but a CZ Major ::SHUDDER::

Yeah. I kinda shudder at the thought of mutant zombie blood spirit motoko too ...

Make sure she's dikote'd properly.

I'd say she does have skillwires. If she's an Otomo jarhead she would need them, wouldn't she? In the episode where The Major defeats the sniper Saito, part of Saito's tactical consideration is whether the major is currently uploading new "fire control" software. Which I'd say is probably some sort of Firearms activesoft, or maybe even an advanced ballistics knowsoft.

No, that refered to some sort of tactical bullet path prediction software the major uses against snipers such as Saito. Saito's strategy revolved around praying the Major's software worked not so flawlessly on close distances. It's more of a tacticomp software (AR strategy/tactics stuff) than skillwires. She can't play Trinity and demand to get an upload of 'pilot tilt-wing plane". Then again, she just knows to.

It's the Major, after all.

In solid state society Saito says he picked up new cyber. I think an arm. Before that it's only his eye and headwear.
Pazu is a complete jar head. One problem in 2nd gig is someone is able to mimic him perfectly and frame him for murder.

Depends where you look really, if you bear in mind that he actually has a meat arm replaced with cyber in Innocence after he gets hacked in the head and shoots himself several times, cause he makes comment about the incredibly easy time he has just giving up another piece of himself to augmentations

Oh really? Someone should tell Amazon. There's 9 items, admittedly, 4 are not in stock. Dunno if they are pre-release entries or of Amazon's slacking, Battletech is not my thing.

The weird part is I got there from clicking on Augmentation which doesn't show up on the list.

btw people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chara...st_in_the_Shell

hey mfb, I think you mean boma. Boma is right up there with Batou in terms of cyber along with the obvious cybereyes. Ishikawa is the one with the beard and is more of the guy who stays at the base diving into the net. Boma is seen with the big rail gun in the first season using it on the armored suits. The one time that Ishikawa has the big gun is that sticky gun thing for that walker tank but I don't remember him using that many more big guns.

nah, i'm really talking about crazy-hair-beard-guy Ishikawa. i guess he doesn't always get the big guns, maybe not even most of the time, but he got the big gun in the first ep of SAC and that justifies my statement completely! COMPLETELY.

as far as cyber goes, evidence points to him being lightly cybered, but i swear i remember something about him having a lot of augmentations. i'm wondering if maybe they were actually talking about augmentations to his brain, not necessarily bionic limbs and the like. on the other hand, my memory in this thread has been somewhat less than 100%, so maybe i'm completely wrong.

yeah, that one time you're talking about, he was on site (along with Togusa) with the corporation bigwigs of the walker tank so he was the main guy to be handling the sticky gun since they had to rush it via helo to stop the tank. Everyone else was already busy there with the tank so he's totally justified in getting to use a big gun. But notice in all the other times it's mainly small arms and in the flashback episode in the military unit, he was the EW/comm guy it seemed.

He actually has one of the lower cyber and that's why he had the broken arm which was still broken later on in the second series. Plus, that's why he was so easily taken at the end of the first series compared to say batou and the major.

Hmmm... don't worry mfb about the faulty memory, all we need to do is transfer some of your memory to an external storage, wait, you don't have a cyberbrain already?

with him being up there or better then the major in terms of EW and doing most of the data processing back at HQ, its not impossible that his cyberbrain is highly modified or something.

Either their distributor changed their mind or Amazon is going through a proxy then, since several SR4 and at least a couple of the CBT books are listed as in stock by Amazon (as compared to Amazon resellers). Other than Christmas or special sales, I've never been let down by Amazon's "in stock" indicator.

I think my favorite low key hacker/EW guy is mostly fleshy pink part except for the space between his ears. I'm pretty sure that it's stuffed full of delta headware.

I seem to remember him getting messed up a couple time (thrown out of an exploding helo right?) which leads me to believe he doesn't have cyberlimbs or such.

Has anyone did a buildup on Saito? Any special cyberware aside from a strength/agility enhanced cyberarm, some fancy eyes, and a headware commlink?

Given the size of some of Saito's weapons, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a VCR and actually rigs his bigger guns.

Regardless, a limb-mounted gyromount is definitely on the the gotta-have list for those autofire moments. It's a shame, the gyros really should give a penalty to long-range shooting by muting the effects of breathing or even the shooter's heartbeat.

penalty?

I think that's a typo... It does seem that a gyromount should help with long shots as well, maybe you could house rule in a sniper upgrade that adds a dice to two.

Actually, I have the whole of section 9 minus the rookies from SAC 2 as SR3 NPC somewhere. Oh yeah, and I added the MMI technomancer girl, though as a shinto priestess who primarily summons ancestor spirits. In SR, Sec9 direly needs magical assistance.

Sigh. Brain fart.

happens to all of us...

Saito uses a vehical mount or tripod for heavy weapons. For just a sniper rifle it is hand held, though I think I remember a Barrett type rifle with a bi-pod in one episode.

That Barret-esque gun is called Ultima Ratio, I think.

Yes. After "Ultima Ratio Regis," or "Ultima Ratio Regum" which is 'The final argument of kings.' It was stamped on the cannons cast for Frederick the Great and Louis the XIV, respectively.

Frederick the Great, yeah ... he also supposedly said that artillery lent some dignity to an otherwise ugly brawl. The man surely loved his artillery.

Yeah... dignity as the cannonball rips a person's head off or the canister shot mows down dozens of men. But hey, it's great for the guys in back to unleash such carnage and not be in the thick of it like the poor slobs on the front ranks.

Don't blame me, blame the King!

I do believe that artillery batteries were occasionally the target of their opponent's own artillery ... and vice versa.

Occasionally enough that there is a term for it Counter-battery fire

I know, but it's just that they're more or less better off than the guys who have to run into the barrels of the enemy rifles and cannons. How many times have you heard of artillerymen doing a forlorn hope?

Drifting back on target. On sunday while cleaning up from my daughter's birthday party (she's 1). I had several episodes of the first season playing and took notes of the Major.

technically she's a jar head. But to be realistic in what she would be in the game I would say a massively augmented street samurai, because the system in SR does not have something so adaptable.

She would have cyber torso and head and arms and legs.or massive muscle tone and augmentation with enhanced articulation on the joints and wired reflexes. 4 data/chip jacks. Smart link. Head comm.

The visual cammo is a part of her combat gear, not her body. She only uses it when in type two load out. (Second skin and Level 4 body armor.)

Driving, stealth, electronics and are average

Her unarmed combat and smg skills and combat sense are all at the top range of professionals. 5-6.

Leadership and pistol shooting are above that level.

Athletics and decking skills are way out the top.

She can hold her own in a fight but prefers to lead, using the heavy hitters like Batou and the Tachikomas for serious fighting.

Would a jarhead in a human biodrone body augmented like this work?


Uhm, she can camo her face too ... she did that in one of the early episodes in season 2, and on several occasions in the Berlin episode later that season. This hints at her camp being integrated into the skin. Leadership at 6, possibly also 7.

2 Datajacks, 4 slot chipjack, all in the neck area. Cybereyes for that empty stare of hers. Smart link, at least four layered comlinks (she once mentioned her four-layer hardware firewalled cyberbrain)

The major's SMG, Unarmed and Athletics skills are Adept level; I'd say she has a gift on either and skill level 7 (she IS an anime heroine, after all, they tend to be superhuman). Hacking and Electronics group are professional level, propably 5.

No. if you look closely her unarmed is not that great. Her dodging is great, very defensive, but she does not go on the offense as well. That is why she often uses shock gloves. In the episode where they are tracking an international terrorist in Japan and he has had clones made of him. the lady yak guards are far more flashing and one of the clones almost finishes her off. In the 2nd gig when she is in hong Kong she kicks by surprise attacking 3 thugs but once surprise is over she pulls a gun, instead of carrying on with a punch up.

She uses a pistol far more often as a firearm. Her SMG use is pretty standard for a good professional but not over the top. The optical camo does hide her head but I can only remember her using it when in the great combat kit. That implies it's a part of her clothes.

I said 4 chip/datea jacks becausse SAC does not maark a difference the way SR does. You're right there are 6 'marks' on her neck that look like jacks but only 4 look 'real' to look like dummies, maybe to be developed later.

The acrobatic/athletic are her way over the top level and while Ishikawa is supposed to be the big time decker, they all say she is the best at that so those two would be her highest skills

From what I remember her typical hth plan of attack is dodge, quick hit to throw her opponents off, quickdraw+APDS rounds to the face.

I also agree that pistols would be her strongest weapons skill and she has some spectacular hacking skills (as well as simsense editing if you read the manga *cough cough*)

Granted, overall (and especially in SAC 1 and 2), you're right. I was thinking more of the Oshii movie.


She's very good with firearms generally, actually ... she just usually uses her pisol because it's a lot more handy to have with her than her P9-something. Bullpup or not, it's not quite discreet.


Neither her hair nor her face is covered with a veil or mask, and camo themselves.


Possibly. She has differently configured jacks in the Oshii movie and varying jacks in the (old) Manga ... though with SR4, the distinction between chip- and datajack has been removed anyway, hasn't it? so, make that just 6 jacks.


Well, on topic of her hacking .... she is reputed to be an expert in electronic and psychological warfare during the great nuclear war (in the saito loses his eye episode), and she generally seems an uber-level hacker. Then again, it IS the Major. She is just damn good in most things.

Decking is way up, but not electronics. That's more of how stuff is put together and do you ever see her make/rewire/rebuild/adapt anything?

For the SMG, she just shoots well but there is nothing spectacular about it. so it is just at the range of a professional.

The camo can still be a part of the suit. they never explain it but except for the one off in Berlin, the only time any of them use the camo is when they are in the type 2 load out suits. That implies they have something in the suits. maybe something from the collar that covers the head. When in that suit Togasa has the camo BUT towards the end of the 1st season on TV, when he is wounded excaping the purge of the activist group, he has to hide in a mundane fashion and almost does not get away. If he could do it as ap art of street clothes/himself, he would have. Since he does not have a hood either in the type 2 load out, but is fully invisible, then it follows there's something in the suit.