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swirler
Okay So I saw a copy of the newest printing and Im a lil Jealous. I have the 3rd printing and It's fine (though I have already worn it down quite a bit.) I'm guessing I may have to get a new copy in a few months... It's important to have more than one wink.gif

anywho though, It was nice seeing the Catalyst logo on there and it just has a slicker look about it. I approve. I only looked at it quickly, didn't have too much time. My new copy will have to wait since I have to get Arsenal tuesday and I finally got to pick up runner havens today. I am still missing Emergence, as my final SR$ book but I will probably get it sometime soon. My birthday is coming up so... heh we'll see.
BetaFlame
I saw it at Boarders when I picked up my older Fanpro copy. I noticed the new one was $5 more expensive, and they had an older Fanpro printing, so I grabbed the cheaper one wink.gif

It does look good, though. Its has darker, richer colors.
Larsine
So all of us with the PDF can only hope for an updated version soon wink.gif

Lars
nathanross
Let's hope so. Also, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before my Fanpro BBB falls completely apart (The binding is really not looking too hot). I'm glad to hear the CGL version is looking good. I really hope they have changed all the damage codes to what was errataed. It would be really nice if they added in the line about Threading -2DP not applying to pool for that CF being theaded. Actually, once you get started, there are a million things that need an extra sentence or two. *sigh*
Matsci
QUOTE (swirler @ Mar 16 2008, 10:33 PM) *
anywho though, It was nice seeing the Catalyst logo on there and it just has a slicker look about it. I approve. I only looked at it quickly, didn't have too much time. My new copy will have to wait since I have to get Arsenal tuesday and I finally got to pick up runner havens today. I am still missing Emergence, as my final SR$ book but I will probably get it sometime soon. My birthday is coming up so... heh we'll see.


I just Got my first Print Shadowrun books.

Ironicly, they were Emergence and 5th Printing BBB.


hobgoblin
sounds like a good start wink.gif
Adam
QUOTE (BetaFlame @ Mar 16 2008, 05:36 PM) *
I saw it at Boarders when I picked up my older Fanpro copy. I noticed the new one was $5 more expensive, and they had an older Fanpro printing, so I grabbed the cheaper one wink.gif

What? The price on the back of our printing is $34.99, same as the FanPro printings.
BetaFlame
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 17 2008, 01:52 AM) *
What? The price on the back of our printing is $34.99, same as the FanPro printings.


The Catalyst book was $39.99 at my local Boarders, while the FanPro print was $34.99. I didn't pull the store labels up to see if they were charging the MSRP or not, I just went with the least expensive option.
Adam
That's interesting; Borders has it listed on their site at 39.99 as well.
Matsci
Hell, I was just cruzing on Amazon for more Shadowrun books, and Someone is charging $137.85 for Arsenal....
Drogos
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 17 2008, 02:09 AM) *
That's interesting; Borders has it listed on their site at 39.99 as well.


Hmmm...I was always under the impression it was illegal to go over the MSRP. But of course, I know pricisely dick about it so I should shut the hell up biggrin.gif
the_dunner
QUOTE (Drogos @ Mar 17 2008, 07:23 AM) *
Hmmm...I was always under the impression it was illegal to go over the MSRP. But of course, I know pricisely dick about it so I should shut the hell up biggrin.gif

It's definitely not illegal, at least in the US. It's just, in most cases, a poor business decision. I could ramble on about this for a while, but it's pretty far off-topic for Dumpshock. Try visiting a bargain hunter board like fatwallet or slickdeals for more info, if you really want it.
Drogos
QUOTE (the_dunner @ Mar 17 2008, 06:42 AM) *
It's definitely not illegal, at least in the US. It's just, in most cases, a poor business decision. I could ramble on about this for a while, but it's pretty far off-topic for Dumpshock. Try visiting a bargain hunter board like fatwallet or slickdeals for more info, if you really want it.


Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

In short, Borders Sucks!!!! Visit your local (and most likely, Independent) Gaming/Hobby Store, they will appreciate your business and likely be very knowledgeable and friendly within the realm of gaming biggrin.gif Take mine for instance, I mentioned to the owner the Catalyst Gaming Line and that night he placed an order for every book he could biggrin.gif
KCKitsune
QUOTE (Drogos @ Mar 17 2008, 07:50 AM) *
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

In short, Borders Sucks!!!! Visit your local (and most likely, Independent) Gaming/Hobby Store, they will appreciate your business and likely be very knowledgeable and friendly within the realm of gaming biggrin.gif Take mine for instance, I mentioned to the owner the Catalyst Gaming Line and that night he placed an order for every book he could biggrin.gif


Either he's a former 'Runner himself or your his best friend. grinbig.gif
Drogos
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 17 2008, 07:55 AM) *
Either he's a former 'Runner himself or your his best friend. grinbig.gif


Not sure on his runner status, but he and I are not the best of buds for sure biggrin.gif grinbig.gif nyahnyah.gif
i101
What do you guys mean with BBB?
Nightwalker450
"Big Black Book"
SR4 Core Edition
hobgoblin
iirc the first print of the earlier editions of the rules had a limited print run done in all black and put up for sale at a con around release date, dont recall if that was the case with SR4 to...
Elve
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 17 2008, 08:09 AM) *
That's interesting; Borders has it listed on their site at 39.99 as well.



The only german shop I found having the 5th printing has it listed for 39,95€ which equals about 60$....
Grinder
The limited edition of the SR4 main book is all-black too.
bofh
There is a limited edition print run for SR4. I don't know if it was a con only purchase though.

One question. I was waiting on this release to see if it was corrected or addressed.

The Combat Mage example has a "Increase Initiative" spell in his list. As this came up in yesterday's game, I did a quick read of the spell and it says specifically it can't be used to increase Special attributes like Initiative. I checked it in the new book (the player had it and the FLGS we were in had a couple on the shelf) just to make sure it still said it. I had the player change it to "Increase Reaction" so that Initiative would increase but I thought I'd post a question to clarify it.

Carl
Matsci
Another Quick problem.

Page 309, on the Equipment Tables:

The Statblocks for Sports Rifles has been mislabled Machine Pistols.

The Statblocks for Siniper Rifles has been mislabled Machine Pistols.

The Statblocks for Shotguns has been mislabled Submachine Guns.

Cain
QUOTE (Matsci @ Mar 17 2008, 12:21 AM) *
Hell, I was just cruzing on Amazon for more Shadowrun books, and Someone is charging $137.85 for Arsenal....

Arsenal isn't even out in hardcopy just yet. So, someone's selling an advance copy and expecting to make a fortune off of it. Pity that most fans have pdfs, and the hard copy is coming out tomorrow, March 18.

EDIT: Looks like someone actually bought it!
b1ffov3rfl0w
QUOTE (bofh @ Mar 17 2008, 09:15 AM) *
The Combat Mage example has a "Increase Initiative" spell in his list. As this came up in yesterday's game, I did a quick read of the spell and it says specifically it can't be used to increase Special attributes like Initiative. I checked it in the new book (the player had it and the FLGS we were in had a couple on the shelf) just to make sure it still said it. I had the player change it to "Increase Reaction" so that Initiative would increase but I thought I'd post a question to clarify it.

Carl

There is an "Increase Initiative" spell which is a different spell from "Increase Attribute". It gives extra IPs even, at, I believe, higher drain.
Matsci
QUOTE (b1ffov3rfl0w @ Mar 18 2008, 08:01 AM) *
There is an "Increase Initiative" spell which is a different spell from "Increase Attribute". It gives extra IPs even, at, I believe, higher drain.


Increase Reflexes.

It is right below Increase [x] spell.
bofh
Right. There were only two spells. Increase [attribute] and Increase Reflexes. Since it's in the BBB, I didn't check Street Magic smile.gif We figured it was a mistake and went with Increase Reaction.

Carl
Michael Tree
Am I imagining things, or is the new printing on completely different paper? I don't have the original version, but from what I can recall of a friend's it was on standard paper, while this printing is on shiny glossy paper.
Adam
It's a different paper stock -- we used a different printer, the same one we've been using for the full-color hardback Classic BattleTech books. Between the paper stock difference and slight revisions to the source graphics, I think the new printing pops a hell of a lot more!
swirler
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 18 2008, 11:01 PM) *
It's a different paper stock -- we used a different printer, the same one we've been using for the full-color hardback Classic BattleTech books. Between the paper stock difference and slight revisions to the source graphics, I think the new printing pops a hell of a lot more!

agreed give the person responsible a raise!
Dashifen
That was the first thing I noticed, too: the colors on the cover were much more brilliant and that the green inside was more vibrant as well. Plus, it fees a little more solid than my first printing from GenCon all those years ago, but that could be because it's new.
Grinder
Great, now I have to buy a new BBB too. biggrin.gif
i101
the 3rd printing > errata 1.5?
swirler
QUOTE (Grinder @ Mar 19 2008, 07:44 AM) *
Great, now I have to buy a new BBB too. biggrin.gif

yeah same here. I just have to wait a bit. According to my fiance, I've "bought too many books, when will it ever be enough?"
I know my copy of Arsenal is at the FLGS just was not able to go get it yesterday. Maybe today or tomorrow.
Adam
QUOTE (i101 @ Mar 19 2008, 10:57 AM) *
the 3rd printing > errata 1.5?

3rd printing is errata 1.3, 5th printing is errata 1.5 + visual touchups + the tiny errors I introduced while fixing things. wink.gif
swirler
oh BTW Arsenal is now in my possession!
woo hoo!!!
*does the Shadowrun Shuffle*
(okay yeah I really do not know what that would be.)
Elve
So there is no actual new errata (newer than the over a year old 1.5 errata) in the SR4 BBB 5th Printing (the first done by catalyst)?

Are e.g. damage codes for weapons that always use flechette updated?
paws2sky
QUOTE (swirler @ Mar 19 2008, 02:54 PM) *
*does the Shadowrun Shuffle*
(okay yeah I really do not know what that would be.)


It probably looks a lot like a Gymnastic Dodge, but with Artisian (Dance) instead of Gymnastics.
Aaron
Will the book be falling apart in a year or so, or is that a FASA legacy that has been discarded? =i)
swirler
QUOTE (Aaron @ Mar 20 2008, 12:23 PM) *
Will the book be falling apart in a year or so, or is that a FASA legacy that has been discarded? =i)

really? Most if my FASA books are still in good shape, except my SR2 softback and I treated that like crap.
Matsci
QUOTE (Elve @ Mar 20 2008, 06:23 PM) *
So there is no actual new errata (newer than the over a year old 1.5 errata) in the SR4 BBB 5th Printing (the first done by catalyst)?

Are e.g. damage codes for weapons that always use flechette updated?


If by updated, you mean +2 DV, +5 AP, then yes, they have been updated.
Nightwalker450
Where shotgun chokes modified as well, out of curiosity..
Grinder
QUOTE (swirler @ Mar 19 2008, 04:01 PM) *
I just have to wait a bit. According to my fiance, I've "bought too many books, when will it ever be enough?"


There isn't such a thing like "too many books". Same for sneakers. Or CDs. biggrin.gif
Matsci
QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Mar 20 2008, 08:48 PM) *
Where shotgun chokes modified as well, out of curiosity..


Narrow: Uses Flechette rules
Medium: 2 targets within one meter, -2 DP for defense, +0DV, +7AP
Wide:3 targets within one meter, -4 DP for defense, -2DV, +9AP
Nightwalker450
QUOTE (Matsci @ Mar 21 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Narrow: Uses Flechette rules
Medium: 2 targets within one meter, -2 DP for defense, +0DV, +7AP
Wide:3 targets within one meter, -4 DP for defense, -2DV, +9AP


Ugh... My wife is not going to let me get another book... But I want...
I've highlighted all errata in my books so far, but a new clean book with all the corrections. Wonder if I have any giftcards left...
Zolhex
Ok so I am working on making a character and I thought ok he needs a kit.

I look up the price and find it is now free spin.gif

P.322 Tools Table

    Tools__Availablity__cost
    Kit _____blank____-
    Shop_____8____5,000
    Facility_____12____100,000


Now no offence here just saying I had to open the 4th printing to check the price eek.gif rotfl.gif

Other than that things look great like the new printing.
Tobias
mmm the new printing looks great. Picked it up with the physical arsenal book and had him order augmentation in again as I missed the physical book. That was my 3rd copy of the BBB. I only own 2 now though the middle one got sold second hand to a new guy who liked the system ((in the period where you couldn't get the book for love)).

Good work guys, keep it up
i101
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 19 2008, 02:57 PM) *
3rd printing is errata 1.3, 5th printing is errata 1.5 + visual touchups + the tiny errors I introduced while fixing things. wink.gif

Thanks. Errata 1.5 + visual touchups and of course the tiny errors you introduced while fixing things where the reason to buy the 5th printing! wink.gif
Payed 31Euro overhere in germany. Very good job. Btw that the book looks great, it feels good to own again an up-to-date version!
swirler
okay so those wiley fiends at Borders sent me my own personal kryptonite (a 40% off coupon)
I went straight out and got a copy of the 5th printing, so now I have a 3rd and a 5th.
I have to say I most definitely approve of the layout changes I have seen so far while comparing the two. Moving the "buying successes" chart to the page where it's talked about is much better.

so now when someone wants to look at a BBB they can use my 3rd printing beater copy
biggrin.gif
Ottergame
I have 2 first printings, a limited edition and a standard. May need to update to a new printing, hehe.
Elve
The errors I found:

==Shadowrun 4 5th printing==
*74 - Altogether, Michelle has spent <strike>255</strike> ''245'' BP.
*89 - The Bow should have a rating of only 8.
*203 - Mob Mind, Range: LOS(A)
*294 - Spirit of Air: Init (Fx2)+4
*308 - Table, Remigton Roomsweeper w/flechettes: Damage 7P(f); AP +5
*309 - Table: <strike>Machine Pistols</strike> ''Sports Rifles'' <strike>Machine Pistols</strike> ''Sniper Rifles'' <strike>Submachine Guns</strike> ''Shotguns''
*322 - Tools, Kit: Availability -, Cost 500Y
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