Okay So I saw a copy of the newest printing and Im a lil Jealous. I have the 3rd printing and It's fine (though I have already worn it down quite a bit.) I'm guessing I may have to get a new copy in a few months... It's important to have more than one

anywho though, It was nice seeing the Catalyst logo on there and it just has a slicker look about it. I approve. I only looked at it quickly, didn't have too much time. My new copy will have to wait since I have to get Arsenal tuesday and I finally got to pick up runner havens today. I am still missing Emergence, as my final SR$ book but I will probably get it sometime soon. My birthday is coming up so... heh we'll see.

I saw it at Boarders when I picked up my older Fanpro copy. I noticed the new one was $5 more expensive, and they had an older Fanpro printing, so I grabbed the cheaper one

It does look good, though. Its has darker, richer colors.

So all of us with the PDF can only hope for an updated version soon

Lars

Let's hope so. Also, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before my Fanpro BBB falls completely apart (The binding is really not looking too hot). I'm glad to hear the CGL version is looking good. I really hope they have changed all the damage codes to what was errataed. It would be really nice if they added in the line about Threading -2DP not applying to pool for that CF being theaded. Actually, once you get started, there are a million things that need an extra sentence or two. *sigh*

I just Got my first Print Shadowrun books.

Ironicly, they were Emergence and 5th Printing BBB.

sounds like a good start

What? The price on the back of our printing is $34.99, same as the FanPro printings.

The Catalyst book was $39.99 at my local Boarders, while the FanPro print was $34.99. I didn't pull the store labels up to see if they were charging the MSRP or not, I just went with the least expensive option.

That's interesting; Borders has it listed on their site at 39.99 as well.

Hell, I was just cruzing on Amazon for more Shadowrun books, and Someone is charging $137.85 for Arsenal....

Hmmm...I was always under the impression it was illegal to go over the MSRP. But of course, I know pricisely dick about it so I should shut the hell up

It's definitely not illegal, at least in the US. It's just, in most cases, a poor business decision. I could ramble on about this for a while, but it's pretty far off-topic for Dumpshock. Try visiting a bargain hunter board like fatwallet or slickdeals for more info, if you really want it.

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

In short, Borders Sucks!!!! Visit your local (and most likely, Independent) Gaming/Hobby Store, they will appreciate your business and likely be very knowledgeable and friendly within the realm of gaming Take mine for instance, I mentioned to the owner the Catalyst Gaming Line and that night he placed an order for every book he could

Either he's a former 'Runner himself or your his best friend.

Not sure on his runner status, but he and I are not the best of buds for sure

What do you guys mean with BBB?

"Big Black Book"
SR4 Core Edition

iirc the first print of the earlier editions of the rules had a limited print run done in all black and put up for sale at a con around release date, dont recall if that was the case with SR4 to...

The only german shop I found having the 5th printing has it listed for 39,95€ which equals about 60$....

The limited edition of the SR4 main book is all-black too.

There is a limited edition print run for SR4. I don't know if it was a con only purchase though.

One question. I was waiting on this release to see if it was corrected or addressed.

The Combat Mage example has a "Increase Initiative" spell in his list. As this came up in yesterday's game, I did a quick read of the spell and it says specifically it can't be used to increase Special attributes like Initiative. I checked it in the new book (the player had it and the FLGS we were in had a couple on the shelf) just to make sure it still said it. I had the player change it to "Increase Reaction" so that Initiative would increase but I thought I'd post a question to clarify it.

Carl

Another Quick problem.

Page 309, on the Equipment Tables:

The Statblocks for Sports Rifles has been mislabled Machine Pistols.

The Statblocks for Siniper Rifles has been mislabled Machine Pistols.

The Statblocks for Shotguns has been mislabled Submachine Guns.

Arsenal isn't even out in hardcopy just yet. So, someone's selling an advance copy and expecting to make a fortune off of it. Pity that most fans have pdfs, and the hard copy is coming out tomorrow, March 18.

EDIT: Looks like someone actually bought it!

There is an "Increase Initiative" spell which is a different spell from "Increase Attribute". It gives extra IPs even, at, I believe, higher drain.

Increase Reflexes.

It is right below Increase [x] spell.

Right. There were only two spells. Increase [attribute] and Increase Reflexes. Since it's in the BBB, I didn't check Street Magic We figured it was a mistake and went with Increase Reaction.

Carl

Am I imagining things, or is the new printing on completely different paper? I don't have the original version, but from what I can recall of a friend's it was on standard paper, while this printing is on shiny glossy paper.

It's a different paper stock -- we used a different printer, the same one we've been using for the full-color hardback Classic BattleTech books. Between the paper stock difference and slight revisions to the source graphics, I think the new printing pops a hell of a lot more!

agreed give the person responsible a raise!

That was the first thing I noticed, too: the colors on the cover were much more brilliant and that the green inside was more vibrant as well. Plus, it fees a little more solid than my first printing from GenCon all those years ago, but that could be because it's new.

Great, now I have to buy a new BBB too.

the 3rd printing > errata 1.5?

yeah same here. I just have to wait a bit. According to my fiance, I've "bought too many books, when will it ever be enough?"
I know my copy of Arsenal is at the FLGS just was not able to go get it yesterday. Maybe today or tomorrow.

3rd printing is errata 1.3, 5th printing is errata 1.5 + visual touchups + the tiny errors I introduced while fixing things.

oh BTW Arsenal is now in my possession!
woo hoo!!!
*does the Shadowrun Shuffle*
(okay yeah I really do not know what that would be.)

So there is no actual new errata (newer than the over a year old 1.5 errata) in the SR4 BBB 5th Printing (the first done by catalyst)?

Are e.g. damage codes for weapons that always use flechette updated?

It probably looks a lot like a Gymnastic Dodge, but with Artisian (Dance) instead of Gymnastics.

Will the book be falling apart in a year or so, or is that a FASA legacy that has been discarded? =i)

really? Most if my FASA books are still in good shape, except my SR2 softback and I treated that like crap.

If by updated, you mean +2 DV, +5 AP, then yes, they have been updated.

Where shotgun chokes modified as well, out of curiosity..

There isn't such a thing like "too many books". Same for sneakers. Or CDs.

Narrow: Uses Flechette rules
Medium: 2 targets within one meter, -2 DP for defense, +0DV, +7AP
Wide:3 targets within one meter, -4 DP for defense, -2DV, +9AP

Ugh... My wife is not going to let me get another book... But I want...
I've highlighted all errata in my books so far, but a new clean book with all the corrections. Wonder if I have any giftcards left...

Ok so I am working on making a character and I thought ok he needs a kit.

I look up the price and find it is now free

P.322 Tools Table

Tools__Availablity__cost
Kit _____blank____-
Shop_____8____5,000
Facility_____12____100,000

Now no offence here just saying I had to open the 4th printing to check the price

Other than that things look great like the new printing.

mmm the new printing looks great. Picked it up with the physical arsenal book and had him order augmentation in again as I missed the physical book. That was my 3rd copy of the BBB. I only own 2 now though the middle one got sold second hand to a new guy who liked the system ((in the period where you couldn't get the book for love)).

Good work guys, keep it up

Thanks. Errata 1.5 + visual touchups and of course the tiny errors you introduced while fixing things where the reason to buy the 5th printing!
Payed 31Euro overhere in germany. Very good job. Btw that the book looks great, it feels good to own again an up-to-date version!

okay so those wiley fiends at Borders sent me my own personal kryptonite (a 40% off coupon)
I went straight out and got a copy of the 5th printing, so now I have a 3rd and a 5th.
I have to say I most definitely approve of the layout changes I have seen so far while comparing the two. Moving the "buying successes" chart to the page where it's talked about is much better.

so now when someone wants to look at a BBB they can use my 3rd printing beater copy

I have 2 first printings, a limited edition and a standard. May need to update to a new printing, hehe.

The errors I found:

==Shadowrun 4 5th printing==
*74 - Altogether, Michelle has spent <strike>255</strike> ''245'' BP.
*89 - The Bow should have a rating of only 8.
*203 - Mob Mind, Range: LOS(A)
*294 - Spirit of Air: Init (Fx2)+4
*308 - Table, Remigton Roomsweeper w/flechettes: Damage 7P(f); AP +5
*309 - Table: <strike>Machine Pistols</strike> ''Sports Rifles'' <strike>Machine Pistols</strike> ''Sniper Rifles'' <strike>Submachine Guns</strike> ''Shotguns''
*322 - Tools, Kit: Availability -, Cost 500Y