Cthulhudreams
Apr 15 2008, 04:18 AM
He might be talking about the 'balant and unsupported rumors' section of the rulebook, not the bits with rules in them.
O'Donnell Heir
Apr 15 2008, 06:26 AM
The Mad Driver's Guide to Taking Out Toxics!
Car + Orichalcum + Attuned mage = Fun!
Oh, you might want a hazmat suit.
hyzmarca
Apr 15 2008, 05:21 PM
Invest the kid with a high-force insect queen and watch the bug and the toxic duke it out. You probably don't have a bug shaman in your group, but it shouldn't be difficult to find one.
To be less evil, just have the kid possessed and send him to fight the toxic spirit. The key here is that damage sufficient to disrupt the possessing spirit would also be sufficient to kill the kid, meaning that the toxic spirit, if it has any loyalty to the kid (or if the kid is integral to its plans), would be limited in what it could do.
FlakJacket
Apr 15 2008, 11:29 PM
Find out where they live and poison their food or water.
Sniper rifle shot to the back of the head from a mile away.
Remote detonated or booby trapped explosive device.
Throw a dozen or so grenades through a window into the room they're in.
Drop a laser designated heavy mortar shell onto them or a vehicle they're travelling in.
Get two mages of your own to tackle them.
ATGM in the back.
Kruniac
May 28 2008, 05:36 AM
Injection based toxins...
Followed up by forceable BTL/Narcotic administration to curb Essence stat.
Leaves you with one less Damien in the world, and one more burnout to emo over.
..Sell to Vory slave trade, head to Dante's for a drink.
Easy.
Oracle
May 28 2008, 11:24 AM
First I would tell my GM that he sucks.
Second I would look for a new GM.
I just hate GMs that rape the setting to put out some Manga style high-power magic.
Fuchs
May 28 2008, 11:45 AM
QUOTE (Oracle @ May 28 2008, 01:24 PM)

I just hate GMs that rape the setting to put out some Manga style high-power magic.
Like the Great Ghost Dance? Or astral rifts? or the veil around Tir na Nog? Or Sam Verner's ritual? The veil around tibet? Or the dozens of powerful magically active NPCs who can do the same as the kid, or more?
Oracle
May 28 2008, 12:33 PM
Yes, exactly like that.
CanRay
May 28 2008, 12:43 PM
Yeah...
And how many of those are seen in Campaign?
DocTaotsu
May 28 2008, 12:50 PM
I think I saw a trid about the Ghost Dance once...
Fuchs
May 28 2008, 12:57 PM
I don't dispute that such are rarely seen in a campaign - and probably with good reason - but that doesn't mean they are not part of the setting.
CanRay
May 28 2008, 01:02 PM
Exactly. Dragons are part of the setting.
How often do you see a Great Dragon? Pretty bloody darn rare. (Well, except for Wyrm Time, but that's because two of them wanted their own TV shows.).
How often do you see any of the other Dragons? Only slightly more so, often getting upset that something is in THEIR airspace! (Have they figured out how to get Dragons to start carrying Transponders and obeying international flight regulations yet?)
paws2sky
May 28 2008, 01:08 PM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 28 2008, 07:50 AM)

I think I saw a trid about the Ghost Dance once...
"I don't think the
Daniel does Dancing-Ghost porn flick counts. Though... it is a classic."
DocTaotsu
May 28 2008, 01:24 PM
But... Dancing-Ghost made all those "volcanos" explode....
paws2sky
May 28 2008, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 28 2008, 08:24 AM)

But... Dancing-Ghost made all those "volcanos" explode....
"Yep. Four simultaneous... eruptions. Wow. All of a sudden I'm remembering the ad campaign..."
DocTaotsu
May 28 2008, 02:05 PM
Was that the one with the psychotropic IC variant? I think I still see Dancing-Ghost in my peripheral vision every now and again...
Fuchs
May 28 2008, 03:08 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ May 28 2008, 03:02 PM)

Exactly. Dragons are part of the setting.
How often do you see a Great Dragon? Pretty bloody darn rare. (Well, except for Wyrm Time, but that's because two of them wanted their own TV shows.).
But magic in general is far more common in the shadows than in "civilian life" in 2070. Toxics, free spirits, insect spirits, shedim, paracritters etc. are all staples of runs. And if we take the novels, then a child prodigy starts to look rather normal compared to what went down in some.
What's the difference between a cyberzombie and such a child prodigy? Or an insect hive?
Captian C-Bucks
May 28 2008, 03:29 PM
Adopt the Child, Raise it for my Purposes, and never forget the Cookies and Candy..
A child of that nature will surely be manipulated easily, due to its powerful nature and immaturity
Blade
May 28 2008, 03:34 PM
Except that if he's that good, he'll have a high willpower, and you don't easily manipulate someone with a high willpower, even if he's a child.
Welcome to Dumpshock, by the way.
Fuchs
May 28 2008, 03:43 PM
As a tangent, if a GM is shooting for some "See the runners having to deal with a powerful kid by diplomacy and other talking" (probably something he saw in a novel or movie) scene, it usually works better if the runners need the kid to do something for them - it prevents them from simply sedating the kid.
For example having a child prodigy being the surviving student of a mage reasearcher that the runners should have extracted, and possibly the only one left that knows the formula/data the mage had (=run objective 2).
Captian C-Bucks
May 28 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (Blade @ May 28 2008, 05:34 PM)

Except that if he's that good, he'll have a high willpower, and you don't easily manipulate someone with a high willpower, even if he's a child.
Welcome to Dumpshock, by the way.
Well, I did take this into consideration- but what the high Willpower represents (imo) is the childs ability to resist beeing manipulated. If you get the oppurtunity -and have enough time on hand to actually convince the child that you would do whats best for him/her then there would be no reason for resist-checks.. a child like this would desperatly want to be able to hang on to someone that is a bit more experienced (a mom/dad figure), especially after what it has probably been through.
And thanks for the heartly welcome
hyzmarca
May 28 2008, 03:50 PM
I still think that a couple of shots from Davey Crockett nuclear bazooka are the best solution.
Cantankerous
May 29 2008, 10:26 AM
QUOTE (Captian C-Bucks @ May 28 2008, 05:44 PM)

Well, I did take this into consideration- but what the high Willpower represents (imo) is the childs ability to resist beeing manipulated. If you get the oppurtunity -and have enough time on hand to actually convince the child that you would do whats best for him/her then there would be no reason for resist-checks.. a child like this would desperatly want to be able to hang on to someone that is a bit more experienced (a mom/dad figure), especially after what it has probably been through.
And thanks for the heartly welcome

As I live and breathe! One of my Players actually decided to post. This is a banner day.
As a side note, Willpower doesn't make it any easier to resist being SUBTLY manipulated, only blatantly. I gotta agree with Pete here. As long as you aren't trying to dominate them or get them to do something they don't want to do, their willpower means nothing in this mix. Maturity, experience and maybe intellect can help, but subtly is POWERFUL used against the naive.
You need a good dose of TRUTH when dealing with such an individual, a good fall back position, but then subtle manipulations become extremely potent tools.
Isshia
DocTaotsu
May 29 2008, 12:23 PM
Hasn't anyone seen Akira? Overpowered super powered being? Laser weapons... big ones. Extra points if you burn out the engine whilst charging your weapon.
CanRay
May 29 2008, 01:24 PM
Oh man, I can't believe I forgot my group's secondary back-up plan for dealing with situations where force is not appropriate! (Rare as those are.).
DRINKING!
I'm sure the kid doesn't have any kind of capacity for alcohol, and after a few shots of "Jesus Juice", there you go!
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kanislatrans
Oct 19 2008, 12:19 AM
hate to necro a thread,but this pic is pretty on topic.
my Grandaughter... the street mage..looks to be a F2 Powerbolt to me!
hyzmarca
Oct 19 2008, 12:32 AM
It looks more like an Elemental Manipulation or Killing Hands+Distance Strike.
Hmm.. you know, one particular strategy that might be effective is to get a warded drone van with tinted windows and a sign announcing that there are puppies in the back of the van.
DocTaotsu
Oct 19 2008, 05:07 PM
Isn't that illegal in the lower 48?
I think it's okay if you advertise free candy though.
Neraph
Oct 26 2008, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ Apr 14 2008, 12:06 AM)

How do a group of adult shadowrunners deal with an ultra-powerful Awakened child prodigy, without getting "wished into the cornfield"?
Ground him.
Ravor
Oct 26 2008, 06:48 PM
Personally my vote would be ( Force 6+ ) Mana Static followed by gasoline and a match.
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