I haven't got Corp Enclaves so I haven't actually read the section. But I'm currently playing a game on the forums called Sink, Hollywood, Sink, where we are (partially recalcitrant) p2.0 runners. It's leading to some hilarious dysfunction.

So what are the general opinions on p2.0? Has anyone used it or does everyone hate it? Personally I'm reminded of OJ Simpsons "If I did it".

I've been planning a quick LA Run for awhile now.

Ths will be another thing I'll torture my group with.

I was very sceptical when I read "Corporate Enclaves" for the first time, but on second thought, it fits very well. The glorification of Shadowrunners as media stars, and the media attention for violent crimes fits the dystopian aspect perfectly. The idea is also grounded in current trends, so we can relate to it. And it even had forerunners, in Cyberpirates, with the gingerbread man's trideo show, and the general "I wanna be on trid" attitude of many caribbean pirates.

My biggest problem was the plausibility, but then, the general stance on DS and elsewhere is that runners are tools, and most corps don't go after them because it's not worth the trouble, and that cops don't care about crimes done in extraterritorial corp areas.

If said corps can get a lot of info about security risks and modus operandi from P2.0, and can check that the data/item stolen was passed on almost in real time, it seems a waste to track the runners down and arest them.

The second problem was how to protect a runner's true identity, but then, that's always a problem, if not to that degree. Between runner personas and nanodisguises, it seems not too out there to run in L.A.

So, I think that P2.0 is plausible, and adds a variety to Shadworun that makes L.A. more than "Seattle, with better weather".

And Barrens that are underwater.

Every city has it's own culture, no matter what people say, and LA is infamous for it's own. I could very much see this happening! It would even encourage people who wouldn't normally get past the fear of being a 'Runner try out at least a few cheap runs just for the hope of having that small percentage, and getting that role as an extra on the Trid, then, hopefully, STARDOM!

That's more or less DD's motivation in Sink, Hollywood, Sink.

Great, and I thought Shadowwannabes were bad. Now we're going to have every Waitress with a Streetline Special trying to be a Razorgirl.

... and all the while Horizon executives are laughing their way to the bank. Just as they should be.

In my mind P2.0 is the natural evolution of "reality" mass media projects. They're cheap and easy to make with no writers to pay. I'm thinking a cross between The Osbournes and Dog the Bounty Hunter would make a good P2.0 Shadowrun program.

I have to say the only real reason I like it is because my character hates it, but is running with a team who likes it. It makes for some hilarious group dysfunction.

Which, ironically enough, will boost the group's P2.0 rating!

Which I'm sure will make said character seeth all the more.

No kidding. You should read DD (Fuchs' sim starlet wannabe hacker style character) and her asides. Every time Blackie has an outburst of neurotic frustration, she's recording it, and thinking things like "oh, yes! That angst will look great!, we might have to re-shoot this meet though, he just made me look bad with that contradiction!"

You should check out "Sink, Hollywood, Sink.", not much really happens, but all our IC banter has evolved quite well. Basically, we end up writing most of what happens, and our GM JohnC, just feeds us relevant facts, legwork and scene segues.

Darnit. Distraction from Dumpshock is already eating up time from my writing that people are screaming for.

Now I have this as well.

Oh yes, there are a lot of interesting contradictions on the team. You have a mix of people who are green as runners but P2.0 savvy, and more professional runners who range from reluctant to horrified at the concept of making a recording of their run to sell. You also have things like Dancer, an adept with the sustenance power, eating half of a side order of chicken wings because she only needs the equivalent of one meal a day, while DD, who has dietware, is ordering the troll-sized dessert item.

A quick question... how would you explain a P2.0 rating? I mean, I'm introducing someone to the gorup and say "Looking up his pito rating you find that it is ___". Is it three numbers? Or is it one compilation of the three? Is it literally a rank? Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Silly, question, what is this alleged P2.0? Is it like MyFace for Shadowrunners?

It's combination of reality TV and social networking sites.

Some entertaing cuts from Corp Enclaves.

My team's extraction of Goofy from Disneyland was a smash hit! Totally off the charts!

One of my PCs even got a contract signed with Horizon, SIN and everything, as a "Elf Bio-Ninja Gangsta Rapper".

Well, he was kind of blackmailed into it by one of the contacts they made in LA, who liked the guy so much he wanted to share in the wealth he had been able to get by selling out too.

The game's been on Hiatus for awhile now, and still the Player whines, "But I don't wanna be a Rap Star!"

I too have a very hard time getting my head around the plausibility of it.

It is one thing if it was a blogging service. The fact it is a LIVE recording of said runner's life at that very moment creates great holes of logic so big that I can fly a great dragon through them.

- J.

Bah. EMCON's for wimps.

I've often said that "Domino" is the perfect Shadowrun film (other than no magic). It's got the team having their own video crew, horrible communication errors, violence, double dealing client, secret team agendas, disastrous lack of understanding just who everyone is and who they are dealing with, and a crazy demo guy. And huge explosions.

In our LA campain we didnt really care about P2.0, but we sent lot of funny/embarrasing(to others)/how-it-really-happened videos to RunnerTube.

It's a live blogging service. You can turn it off, and I'd assume most runners do when not on the Job.

Corp Enclaves even calls out the fact that you need a hacker to hack and edit the live feeds, removing things the target you'r going to hit, your faces, ext.

It also mentions negotiating a broadcasting delay (standard operating procedure for runners) while on runs.

Technically correct, but that's not what the way the book describes it.

Even with latency, this still is rife with holes.

Ok, so a recording of you comes out breaking into a Horizon subsidiary AFTER the job is done? Congratulations, you and thousands of other P2 subscribers are in posession of footage of you committing a crime.

Does anyone else have a problem with this?

I'd love to hear from one of the devs how the fuck does that work.

- J.

Simple, legalese in the contract! "The footage captured cannot be used for purposes of evidence in a crime, as dictated by the terms of the agreement, under local statute $Legalese."

Three things. First, LA puts the "punk" back into SR. The old days of colorful mohawks and rocker archtypes. It's fun, it's a bit silly, it certainly makes fun of itself, and it is most definately over the top. Don't take the LA runner culture too seriously. Really. It's there to have fun. You want black ops? Run in Seattle, Manhattan, Neo-Tokyo... You want to get some crazy fun going? Trolls with 2 ft high mohawks and glowing nano-tattoos and great one liners...The real deep shadows -- as is mentioned in corp enclaves -- don't happen on film. If someone wants someone else assassinated, the runner team probably isn't going to be having drones recording their every move. (Again, a good hacker is invaluable, this time not to edit the footage, but to spoof the drones to go somewhere else.) If you want to run in the limelight of LA, you have to embrace the culture. Other wise, stick to the shadows.

Two, Extraterritorality works both ways. The corp is responsible for policing their own grounds and prosecuting crimes that occur on their own ground. That means that once you get off Horizon property, the PCC has no responsibility to prosecute you for a crime committed against Horizon. Horizon can ask them to extradite you, but that assumes the PCC catches you (or even wants to). And like someone mentioned, the corp has no real incentive to go after you after the job's been done, unless you kill some innocent bystanders or corp employees. (In which case, there might be another live feed of you getting your 'payment')

And third. What do you care if Horizon has (high rating) footage of Big Bob the shadowrunner committing a crime. That's why you use a runner persona... Heck, Corp Guide also says that a lot of LA Mr. Johnson's offer cosmetic work as part of a payment package. Why not get a new face? (Or at least get a nicer nose.) Nanopaste, altskin, latex face masks, physical mask spells, adept disguise abilities, heck, just a stocking over your face.

And remember... even the police are fans.

I'm sure the Ares anti-tank missile will stop to read that after it hits the back window of your car....

Where-upon the PCC takes Ares to court for large amounts of Nuyen in damages for illegally discharging military weapons.

Remember, corp are only all powerful on Extraterritorial ground. The moment that missile crosses the fence that separates the two, Ares becomes liable.

"The video and radar records clearly show it was this was attacked by a Cylon Raider. Ares does not operate any such vehicles. Have a nice day and best of luck on your search for the real killers."

Remember how tough it is to hack cameras and such? Megacorps are a LOT better than a band of runners.

In most cases why would Ares want to do that, they may want to hire you next week. There's no profit in killing runners.

If you record yourself breaking into a megacorp facility you are too stupid to live. Certainly too stupid to hire. If I want deniable assets doing things for me that I don't want people to know about I don't want to see them doing them on TV. Against publicity seeking idiots you want deterrence. Hence 'pour encourager les autres'.

If you hire LA P2.0 runners you allready know thier gonna broadcast the run, if you don't want that you tell them not to broadcast or bring in outside talent.

I see L.A. as a "everyone is doing business this way, fit or get out" place. If Ares started scragging runners Seattle-style in L.A., then that would be rocking the boat for everyone, especially Horizon. And the P2.0 serve as a nice distraction for the black ops runs. It's really more like "reality tv dialed up to 11".

I do assume that P2.0 runs are usually relatively light on casualties so that no side takes it personally. Those who do not follow that end up like the Johnson in the intro fiction to L.A. in Corp Enclaves.

Also, the Ares guys are likely to stop the guy with the Missile by going, "Dude! You totally can't geek them! I gotta get their autograph!"

Sounds like it's a great option for the Pink Mohawk crowd... but coming from SR3 more than SR1, I have difficulty imagining it being anything other than a bucketful of trouble.

You know, you can greatly increase the value of your autographs if you shoot your subject in the head after getting their autograph....

Just watch out for the guys who will give you an autograph and then shoot you in the head after because your a wanker who asked for an autograph.

Why does it make you too stupid to live? Once you are off megacorp territory, they can't chase you, and once you've made the hand-off, it's not profitable too.

If your worried about evidence, how is your recording worse than the one those eight security guards just made, the 2 that the camera's just made, the one the the Spider just dumped to offside storage, and all the other evidence you leave behind?

So, some slightly increased risk, in return for more pay. Isn't that what most runs balance?

'Wanker' is not a word I'm used to seeing seppos throw around.

- J.