It was pretty interesting but devolved in to why would any government give corps extaterritoriality. I thought the thread (and this one too) should have delt with what exactly is it and how does it work? Is is some sort of fedual system with compleat autonomy for those at the top? "What? Your late with the Jones account!" Branch manager pulls out gun and shoots offending executive. "Miss. Tessmacher. Have some one clean this mess in my office up at once!" And no one blinks an eye. Or is it something less? Or, heaven help us, more?

How do You handle it?

Thanks

Thanos

P.S. spell check doesn't seem to be working so my spelling is going to be worse than usuall.

Nope, the only thing that can be done is to have the media make a huge report about it. Enough backlash and the Corp won't do anything, or their already-plummeting stock prices will drop further. Lower stock prices means it's easier for a takeover, because a greedy Corp can simply buy it all up and then hold a majority on the council.

The best book, as I said earlier (), is Corporate Shadowfiles. It lays down everything from Corp Scrip to Corp Court. It's well worth it, trust me.

The corporate court.

They don't. Megacorps (AAA-rated members of the Corporate Court) are completely sovereign entities. They--like contemporary nation-states, I might add--accord individuals in their territory whatever "rights" and "privileges" they like and what the corp giveth, the corp can taketh away.

Thinking of megacorps in terms of 20th-century nation-states is inaccurate; think of them more as feudal domains and you're closer to the truth. There is NO Universal Declaration of Human Rights, there is NO body to which one can appeal and there is NO justice beyond what the megacorp decides is justice.

Now and then?? *sputter* Hussein was on the US payroll for 15 YEARS, man. They only caught his ass 'cause he wasn't paying taxes on the US funds the CIA paid him throughout the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

[EDIT]As for Shadowrun... BitBasher's bang-on: the entire game is premised on the the daily existence of "secret transgressions." Shadowrunners are, by definition, secret transgressors.[/EDIT]

Actually, that's exactly what could happen. The Corporate Court will ALWAYS side with the megas--why? Simple: because Corporate Court justices are MEGACORPORATE EMPLOYEES. Although they may squabble amongst themselves (fr'instance, the Aztechnology justice and the Ares justice probably don't get along real well), the fact is that when someone takes a poke at them collectively they close ranks faster than a police officer's union.

Well, Corp A has legally (according to their laws) arrested and imprisoned criminals. Yay. Nothing wrong with that. Corp B doesn't have any damaging info. There's nothing wrong with that. Besides, in the media Shadowrunners are universally the bad guys, criminals. Theres no widespread public support for them. Corp A could spin this to the positive by showing "Look how good our security is, we stop shadowrunners. We keep areas safe for you."

<sips coffee> <SPEWs COFFE ON MONITOR> BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. "Now and then?" You mean like the entire shadow community? Millions upon millions of Nuyen a year for that exact purpose? Heh!

Wow.

You do realize that in the U.S. the government (Federal, state, local, whatever) can and has contracted with corporations specifically to escape from the legal niceties that it is required to give under the Constitution--niceties such as Due Process. And while right now it applies to property and liberty interests, the Seretech and Shiawase decisions effectively gave them a pass on the "life" interest as well when it allowed them to keep armed personnel for the purposes of killing people on their property--and the government can't do a damn thing about it.

Even the UCAS doesn't exactly give a lot (any?) of Due Process to the SINless (nor does the US to illegals).

Of course, this is a world in which signing the UN Declaration of the Rights of Man is a formality, but of the 197 countries that are part of the UN... How many of them actually follow it? Why the Hell would corporations--those bastions of human rights and decency--want to even acknowledge the existence of human rights? Who's going to say anything? The media... Oh, wait. Like it's been mentioned, the corps own the media.

Quite true, but i'll put money on there being somekind of legal debate, if only to appease another nation. Loyears (i can't spell so sue me ) no both sides will be looking for the loop holes. Then debating if the political stink will be worth it.

What will mostly likely end up happening is the said bounty hunter will have an accident or will disappear.

Actually, no. Why do you think Azzies only do Blood Magic in Aztlan? If they're found out, they're just as vulnerable to the law as any UCAS citizen is. True, there'd be a huge political backlash and threats of war, but when aren't there?

As for your example with Rex, I'm pretty sure Sasquatches have been taken off the "hunt" list now. IIRC, they've been made into "sentient" beings now, so Rex wouldn't be shot.

No, there wouldn't, because that Azzies won't admit to Blood Magic, most people in governement do not know what blood magic is, and the public is totally incapable of understanding blood magic. A confirmed Blood Magician, if not *offically* in the country (like say on a secret mission), would simply be covertly captured or killed, while an official dignatary might be able to escape that fate just cause he's in the spotlight.

Depends. First off, have corps A and B signed up to the whole idea of diplomatic immunity? If they have, has presentative A been accredited to Corp B with diplomatic status? If yes to both then they're free.

Diplomatic immunity can be waived by the accuseds country though. Whenever some diplomat is in the position where a normal citizen would be prosecuted, the host government asks the diplomats government to waive their immunity. Most often this doesn't happen and they just get PNG'd. But if it was enough of a scandal then they could withdraw it to try and save face and let their guy get done for it.

But for the Megas, I don't really see the point of intra-corp diplomatic immunity. They can just pick up a phone or use the matrix to get in touch with their opposite number/PR department. Countries would still have it since it's just too useful, and I could see corporate ambassadors to national countries having it.