Improved hand razors are extra dense, and therefore can hold an extra fine edge. Dikote puts a diamond film on a substance, effectively granting the same properties as the carbide blade in improved hand razors.
The question is: Can you double up? Can you dikote improved hand razors? Or is it all just redundant-munchkinism?
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I don't see why you couldn't. I've seen it done before...
I agree: unless it's prohibited anywhere, I don't see why you couldn't laminate the blades.
you would, of course, have to get them dikoted *prior* to installation
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| QUOTE (Munchkinslayer @ Dec 22 2003, 10:09 AM) |
| Or is it all just redundant-munchkinism? |
Yes, because blowing a minimum of 15,000 nuyen and 0.1 Essence for the (non-retractable version) equivalence of a Reach 0 non-Dikoted Katana is totally munchkin.
| QUOTE (Munchkinslayer) |
| The question is: Can you double up? Can you dikote improved hand razors? Or is it all just redundant-munchkinism? |
Sure, you can dikote implant blade weapons. Just make sure you dikote the blades before they're implanted. A 1200C/2200F microwave oven can cause excessive dryness and flakiness in the skin.
I thought the blades on hand razors where removable, I mean it would make perfect sense if you say chipped or shattered one, make it way hell easier to repair then having your fingers cut open again. I see no problem with dikoting the razors after implantation, they should be metal so they could with stand the processes of dikoting.
| QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) | ||
Yes, because blowing a minimum of 15,000 nuyen and 0.1 Essence for the (non-retractable version) equivalence of a Reach 0 non-Dikoted Katana is totally munchkin. |
Is that sarcasm? It's so hard to tell with you, Doc.
No, I'm totally serious. I've never seen anything more munchy in all my days. <shakes his fist in the air>
| QUOTE (Hero) |
| I thought the blades on hand razors where removable, I mean it would make perfect sense if you say chipped or shattered one, make it way hell easier to repair then having your fingers cut open again. I see no problem with dikoting the razors after implantation, they should be metal so they could with stand the processes of dikoting. |
It doesn't state this in canon. I would rule that they are not removable, thereby requiring surgery to repair them.
| QUOTE (Munchkinslayer) |
| Is that sarcasm? It's so hard to tell with you, Doc. |
He wouldn't!
See, THIS is why there's a *sarcasm* smiley
| QUOTE (Hero) |
| I see no problem with dikoting the razors after implantation, they should be metal so they could with stand the processes of dikoting. |
Hi,
but your hands are not (at least most of the time) and if I remember correctly the description of Dikote in Man & Machine mentioned plasma use during the process? If I understand this correctly, your razors would be dikeoted, but your hands would have been burned or melted away.
tbd
| QUOTE (Cray74) | ||
Sure, you can dikote implant blade weapons. Just make sure you dikote the blades before they're implanted. A 1200C/2200F microwave oven can cause excessive dryness and flakiness in the skin. |
i see no problem with dicoting implants after installation the dryness and flakyness can be treated with any ointment designed to treat 40th degree burns
| QUOTE (ting-bu-dong) | ||
Hi, but your hands are not (at least most of the time) and if I remember correctly the description of Dikote in Man & Machine mentioned plasma use during the process? If I understand this correctly, your razors would be dikeoted, but your hands would have been burned or melted away. tbd |
You should have read the entire post man, if you did you would have caught the part where I mentioned that the blades them selves where removable and separate from the implant. But that has since been shot down.
Has no one thought of simply telling the cyberdoc, "Hey, before you cut open my fingers and put those things in, I'd like you to work with this chemist and do some out of the ordinary work on the blades...."? 
Actually the retractable hand razoers do have removable blades, and that is Canon. Street Samurai Catalogue (1st & 2nd Ed). Check out the page mentioning the improved versions. Shadowtalk states that you just pop on down to your nearest street doc and get them to replace the blades, no surgery necessary. Of course, with the non-retractable versions you'd better do it before they're implanted.
So logically continuing on from this it would also be posssible to dikote cyberspurs too, although I'd opt for a minor surgical procedure here. Not drastically invasive, but you'd need a surgical/medical workshop at the minimum to change the blades. Probably a light wound to recover from afterwards too.
Don't forget that dikote can wear away too. It suffers degradation everytime it hits something. Eventually a striking surface is going to have to be recoated. Think of it as resharpening your sword - after all they get blunted and chipped in combat. Its one thing that isn't universally renown for a lack of wear and tear and generaic destruction is combat. So while your at it, make those players pay if they forget to repair their armour.
So logically continuing on from this it would also be posssible to dikote cyberspurs too, although I'd opt for a minor surgical procedure here. Not drastically invasive, but you'd need a surgical/medical workshop at the minimum to change the blades. Probably a light wound to recover from afterwards too.
Don't forget that dikote can wear away too. It suffers degradation everytime it hits something. Eventually a striking surface is going to have to be recoated. Think of it as resharpening your sword - after all they get blunted and chipped in combat. Its one thing that isn't universally renown for a lack of wear and tear and generaic destruction is combat. So while your at it, make those players pay if they forget to repair their armour.
Dikote wears away? It's diamond hard... I could see some dedicated abrasion doing damage to the coating, but normal wear and tear seems like something it would endure well.
Anyway, twin dikoted retractable improved hand razors is very evil. I mean, who wouldn't want to be able to do (Str x 1.5 + 3) M damage in melee?
And, for that matter, the twinned spurs are even uglier at (Str x 1.5 + 1) S damage.
Anyway, twin dikoted retractable improved hand razors is very evil. I mean, who wouldn't want to be able to do (Str x 1.5 + 3) M damage in melee?
And, for that matter, the twinned spurs are even uglier at (Str x 1.5 + 1) S damage.
| QUOTE (BIG BAD BEESTE) |
| Actually the retractable hand razoers do have removable blades, and that is Canon. Street Samurai Catalogue (1st & 2nd Ed). Check out the page mentioning the improved versions. Shadowtalk states that you just pop on down to your nearest street doc and get them to replace the blades, no surgery necessary. Of course, with the non-retractable versions you'd better do it before they're implanted.[/quote] |
Fair enough.
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| Don't forget that dikote can wear away too. It suffers degradation everytime it hits something. |
Where is this stated in canon?
| QUOTE (Fortune) |
| Where is this stated in canon? |
As a temporary holder until someone finds the real quote, ISTR reading that dikote does wear off, but no rules are given for it.
And that's realistic enough. Banging and flexing metal surfaces with a diamond coating is going to result in the stiffer diamond coating flexing and popping off the more flexible metal.
| QUOTE (Cray74) | ||
As a temporary holder until someone finds the real quote, ISTR reading that dikote does wear off, but no rules are given for it. And that's realistic enough. Banging and flexing metal surfaces with a diamond coating is going to result in the stiffer diamond coating flexing and popping off the more flexible metal. |
Diamond drills, used to drill through solid rock, run almost nonstiop for about 6 months before needing to be replaced.
With heavy use, the diamond coated edge might wear down, but at slower rate than a normal (non-dikoted) weapon would.
| QUOTE (leemur) |
| Diamond drills, used to drill through solid rock, run almost nonstiop for about 6 months before needing to be replaced. With heavy use, the diamond coated edge might wear down, but at slower rate than a normal (non-dikoted) weapon would. |
That's a different loading condition than a sword. The drillbit does not flex like a sword blade.
| QUOTE (Fortune) | ||||
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Not so much as rules but it is mentioned as Shadowtalk under the Dikote entry in Shadowtech. Personally, its something that I've always used for edged weapons because of game balance. After all, Dikote is only a film coating, its not as if the blade is made from the substance like a diamond drill tip. I'd therefore say that replacing it after making a botch in a melee combat or at least once a year would be just GM decisions. Possibly more often if it's weilded by a sword-swinging combat monster. (Kill Bill anyone?)
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the idea. I just didn't recall any hard-and-fast rules concerning it.
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