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Rad
Ever since the debacle with the exploding sewer system, I've been my team's resident evil genius--the guy to go to when you need a ruthlessly evil and hilarious way to get the job done.

On a recent run, I outdid myself...

...in the evil department.

Our job was to blackmail a wageslave who worked for the Seattle governor's office. Not wanting to go through the trouble of digging up dirt on the subject, we had our hacker fabricate a very convincing troll-on-human gay porn sim staring our poor wageslave as the human. To ensure the target's compliance, we left a copy of the sim in his headware comlink along with an advanced agent program. The agent would watch him 24-hrs a day, it's icon periodically walking into his field of vision and staring at him, sometimes bringing popcorn.

If our mark attempted to call the police, or failed to meet our employer's blackmail demands, the agent would force him into full-vr and run the sim.

It was a brilliant plan, and worked perfectly until the mark snapped and tried to call the star while being chased down the highway by us and the Yakuza, with both sides locked in cybercombat for control of his car. It was also the first time one of my plans left me feeling a little dirty.

Of course, that didn't stop me from making the quote of the night:

"Two words: 'Demal Deposits.'" smokin.gif
TheOOB
That's pretty bad...not the worst thing I've seen players do, but pretty bad. Aside from hunting down the last member of a small gang and killing them so they don't spread the word that we got the rest of the gang killed because we gave them faulty information about the security of a facility we needed a distraction on, I don't have too many really evil shadowrun stories.

I have a number for 7th Sea though(old pirate based RPG, focus on swashbuckling and drama)
Rad
Well, there was the time we ripped off a Mitsuhama black research facility, slaughtered a gaggle of captive technomancers MCT was experimenting on, executed all the researchers, and then blew the place to bits...

...or the time we got 9x9 to launch a series of major attacks in downtown Honk Kong, knocking out communications and tying up police and traffic, while we dosed most of the business district with Warp and set off a major rooftop firefight between the security forces of several neighboring buildings--all so we could rob a bank.

We also kinda got Kowloon bombed by Knight Errant during the getaway.

But blackmailing poor Joe Wageslave with faked gay troll porn, and then forcing him to hotsim it so he'd know what would happen if he didn't do what we said--that was basically rape. By a troll. Felt kinda' bad for the guy when he tried to call the cops and ended up spending the rest of the run in hotsim getting pounded by 'Dermal Deposit Dan'. Even worse considering the guy was anti-metahuman and the emotive tracks were programed to make him like it...

>shudders<

...yeah, sometimes my capacity for horrific cruelty disturbs even me. biggrin.gif
Sir_Psycho
How do you record a porn sim from the POV of some-one who didn't actually contribute the emotive and sensory tracks?
Rad
Not record, forge. It was part dubbed, part digitally fabricated. The rolls came out *really* good, so the GM ruled that it was "very convincing" despite the source material. Fortunately we had an army of agent programs to build the thing for us, so the hacker didn't actually have to track down gay trollporn sims and pull the sensory tracks out himself.
Ravor
By using the tracks of someone who did. No wonder Rad's character felt "dirty" afterwards. silly.gif
Chrysalis
I remember during our last run my character goes into the local stuffer shack orders a pizza, puts it in the microwave with a rifle grenade and walks out. The same time our hacker breaks into Gridlink and causes it to go haywire for the area. Not a scratch on the car, but alot of KAOS and KONFUSION. The opposition did take our team member and we tracked them down to a wrecking yard. It was a race to beat the opposition in not preventing his death but who would be first.

We turned the drones in the wrecking yard from making metal trash to human trash. Our hacker gave the captured team member (our soloing mage) a monosword seppuku, while I gathered his kit and dumped him and the kit in the incinerator. After the opposition was killed we crushed all the cars and incinerated the bodies. Nothing evil just business.

Drogos
What about when the GM pretty much penalizes you for not doing something evil. We were once overwhelmingly ambushed by another runner team because we didn't kill a small mexican child. We now have a standing rule in our group that all small mexican children are shot on sight. We've not seen any mexican children...yet biggrin.gif
AllTheNothing
A character of mine is hell bent into destroing the life of a humanis who raped her in past, she hasn't decided yet what to do but one of hers (discarded) plan was infecting his children with HMHVV; she dropped the idea because difficulties in controlling the outcome and because the risk of getting infected herself
Black Roger
Group I'm in is pretty straight laced, even going so far as feeling bad about killing people actively trying to kill them. The worst thing that has happened was when my char was getting answers out of people via dental torture.

The old fashioned approach often works best for us. Good pair of pliers + strapped to a chair - teeth = answers.

I take it back, the worst thing we've done is run a lengthy, cheesy, horrible work seminar to cover for our infiltrator nabbing information. Those things are nothing compared to dental torture.
dog_xinu
in a recent past game, a PACIFIST took the shoe off a teenage punk/ganger/wantabe-porn-king and proceeded to beat the kids"junk" asking the question for like the 10th time. then when the punk didn't answer, he said "I am a pacifist and I am beating your junk. what do you think those to psycopaths are going to do....". the girl next to the punk answered the question out of fear....

and NO it wasn't me.. I was the gm.
Chrysalis
I played a face who was a serial killer. Does that count? She was also the doctor.
Neraph
QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Dec 1 2008, 10:16 AM) *
The same time our hacker breaks into Gridlink and causes it to go haywire for the area.


How did GOD (Grid Overwatch Division) not fry him immediately?
Neraph
My group was trying to do a standard corporate espionage/datasteal thing, and I was playing the Mystic Adpet Hacker. I slow hacked into the company's dummy site to find the real datatrail, and the dummy site was just that: nothing.

So I filled it to the maximum limit of Troll-on-Elf pr0n.

A little later we were running through the area and the group questioned someone who turned out useless to us... So I hacked their head'link, and filled it with Troll-on-Elf pr0n.
Ryu
QUOTE (Rad @ Dec 1 2008, 08:13 AM) *
If our mark attempted to call the police, or failed to meet our employer's blackmail demands, the agent would force him into full-vr and run the sim.

How would you have prevented the target from using another comlink to contact the police? What if your mark triggered a full matrix inspection of his own node by "doing some illicit deed"? The presence of agent+program load on a comlink is pretty easy to discover.
Chrysalis
QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 2 2008, 05:55 AM) *
How did GOD (Grid Overwatch Division) not fry him immediately?


They did try. I am sure we are on some terrorist watchlist by now.
Neraph
GOD doesn't try, GOD uses Digital Chuck Norris in one of two speeds: Walk and Kill.
Bira
This probably wasn't a stroke of genius, but it was definitely evil.

"So, the fighting inside the museum has drawn a crowd of curious people. What do you do?"

Nearby Dwarf Sam: "I toss a grenade into the crowd."
the_real_elwood
There's no such thing as "too evil".

But the groups I've been a part of have never been particularly evil, just obstinate. We frequently got tired of looking for other solutions to things and would start shooting at the smallest provocation. We always left plenty of dead bodies in our wake. We never meant it to be evil, but I suppose the actions were.
Stahlseele
i had a pretty evil idea for bringing about the change from SR3 world to SR4 world, because i don't like the whole terrorist thing all that much . .
basically, i wanted to start a world wide corp war. I would have started by trying to get some leverage on the Corporation Microdeck and especially on William T. Gates Jr. the 2nd. Then use his l33t allmost otaku like matrix skills to break into the bigger corps systems and leave traces pointing at every other bigger corp aside from microdeck so they would start destroying the matrix with their electronical warfare . . in the End have the strongest leads point BACK to microdeck so they all go omega on them and then have it look like Microdeck was just a font for technomancers and AI's trying to do WHATEVER . .
All the while the characters were supposed to utilize their insider knowledge of what is REALLY going on to make BIG BUCKS by buying stock in certain corporations untill the nano second buyout looks like childsplay.

yes, i thought of this after Micro$ucks closed down Shadowrun Online MMORPG in favour of thei Shitts shooter, why do you ask?
Hammer
A character I was playing killed a mark by seducing and marrying him (the character was female) and planting a block of C12 on his forehead with a motion detonator and "Don't move." written on the ceiling after the honeymoon night.

Most twisted thing a player of mine ever did I think is buy some slaves while running a job in Europe. He brought them home and used them as his harem. They had been mentally broken and programmed for service. He payed a pretty penny for them.
Mickle5125
10 kilos of rating 12 shaped plastic explosive to take out a minivan.
Beetle
Rad, you're my new hero. I need to try something similar, or give my team hacker the idea next time the opportunity arises.
Muspellsheimr
QUOTE (Hammer @ Dec 2 2008, 05:24 PM) *
A character I was playing killed a mark by seducing and marrying him (the character was female) and planting a block of C12 on his forehead with a motion detonator and "Don't move." written on the ceiling after the honeymoon night.

Thank you. I need to remember this - exactly the kind of thing one of my characters would do. She is one fucked up bitch.
Ragewind
Posted by Rad
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Felt kinda' bad for the guy when he tried to call the cops and ended up spending the rest of the run in hotsim getting pounded by 'Dermal Deposit Dan'.


So.. a while ago a friend figured out that since Penile Implants take up "Capacity" properly twinked you can have a max of 86 penile implants as a starting 400 bp character. Possibly more depending on PQ's and such. We had a lot of fun with the imagery going so far as to name this "Character"

While reading this thread a thought occurred to me..

By day "Dermal Deposit" Dan (or Double D for short) is a world famous Troll porn Star. By night however..he is SCROTAX! The Impregnator, defender of Truth and Justice.

1000 nuyen.gif for the person that can name every reference rotfl.gif
Mickle5125
sounds like one of those crappy pr0n games floating around the internet...
JonathanC
QUOTE (Rad @ Dec 1 2008, 01:45 AM) *
Well, there was the time we ripped off a Mitsuhama black research facility, slaughtered a gaggle of captive technomancers MCT was experimenting on, executed all the researchers, and then blew the place to bits...

...or the time we got 9x9 to launch a series of major attacks in downtown Honk Kong, knocking out communications and tying up police and traffic, while we dosed most of the business district with Warp and set off a major rooftop firefight between the security forces of several neighboring buildings--all so we could rob a bank.

We also kinda got Kowloon bombed by Knight Errant during the getaway.

But blackmailing poor Joe Wageslave with faked gay troll porn, and then forcing him to hotsim it so he'd know what would happen if he didn't do what we said--that was basically rape. By a troll. Felt kinda' bad for the guy when he tried to call the cops and ended up spending the rest of the run in hotsim getting pounded by 'Dermal Deposit Dan'. Even worse considering the guy was anti-metahuman and the emotive tracks were programed to make him like it...

>shudders<

...yeah, sometimes my capacity for horrific cruelty disturbs even me. biggrin.gif

I'm not sure that you *can* force someone into hot-sim VR. I mean, unless this random schmoe had his commlink modded for hot-sim, the worst you could do is pop him into cold-sim, and unless you somehow trapped him in a UV node, there's nothing stopping him from just logging off. The worst you could do is force him to dumpshock himself.
TheOOB
QUOTE (JonathanC @ Dec 3 2008, 10:54 PM) *
I'm not sure that you *can* force someone into hot-sim VR. I mean, unless this random schmoe had his commlink modded for hot-sim, the worst you could do is pop him into cold-sim, and unless you somehow trapped him in a UV node, there's nothing stopping him from just logging off. The worst you could do is force him to dumpshock himself.


Black programs still cause stun damage and jam open the link if someone is using cold sim, they just don't(and can't ever) do physical damage.

But yes, while someone who has a DNI and a simsense unit can be forced into VR, you cannot force them into hot sim unless the hardware is altered to be hot sim. You'd might have better luck finding a drug, magical effect that forces them to astrally perceive and sicking a spirit on them, but that would be evil nyahnyah.gif
JonathanC
Well, keeping you trapped in a node is one thing, forcing you into viewing a sim is something else. I'm pretty sure the only way to override a person's mental control is through psychotropic IC (which takes a while) or a neural shunt (used by bunraku parlors). While the idea is definitely evil, I don't think that it could work as described by normal Shadowrun rules. Agents just aren't that cool.
TheOOB
QUOTE (JonathanC @ Dec 3 2008, 11:27 PM) *
Well, keeping you trapped in a node is one thing, forcing you into viewing a sim is something else. I'm pretty sure the only way to override a person's mental control is through psychotropic IC (which takes a while) or a neural shunt (used by bunraku parlors). While the idea is definitely evil, I don't think that it could work as described by normal Shadowrun rules. Agents just aren't that cool.


They do mention in unwired I believe that matrix rape of children is a serious growing crime, it at least shows that it's possible.
Neraph
QUOTE (TheOOB @ Dec 3 2008, 10:20 PM) *
Black programs still cause stun damage and jam open the link if someone is using cold sim, they just don't(and can't ever) do physical damage.

Stun Damage Overflow. Stun becomes Physical damage.
TheOOB
QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 4 2008, 12:29 AM) *
Stun Damage Overflow. Stun becomes Physical damage.


Blackout specifically notes that it's damage doesn't overflow into the physical, and black hammer states that it only does stun damage to cold sim users, which considering the wording of the statement, the precedent set by blackout, and the simple fact that there is a hardware restriction against lethal amount of biofeedback, it can be assumed that black hammer cold sim damage doesn't overflow into physical.
JonathanC
QUOTE (TheOOB @ Dec 3 2008, 08:54 PM) *
They do mention in unwired I believe that matrix rape of children is a serious growing crime, it at least shows that it's possible.

I have Unwired, and I don't recall seeing that anywhere. It seems especially unlikely given how rare VR use is among regular people. I mean...where's the DNI interface in the average 2070 person? Non-hackers have no reason to do anything besides AR for the most part, so the worst you can do to...well...damn near everybody, is spam them, or maybe burn out their commlink.
WeaverMount
QUOTE (JonathanC @ Dec 3 2008, 10:54 PM) *
I'm not sure that you *can* force someone into hot-sim VR. I mean, unless this random schmoe had his commlink modded for hot-sim, the worst you could do is pop him into cold-sim, and unless you somehow trapped him in a UV node, there's nothing stopping him from just logging off. The worst you could do is force him to dumpshock himself.


Actually hot-sim mods are likely one of the single most common illegal devices in the setting. Hobo's have hot-sim. For one thing they let you slot BTLs. Second, on many jobs +2 to matrix actions and an extra IP can help you make up that lost time for an extra bathroom brake ... where you slotted a BTL you needed to unwind from working hard enough to get a promotion ... so you can buy more and better BTLs ...

But you are right the particular schmoe they want to hose could easily not have hot-sim. But if he really is a schmoe breaking into his house and swapping out his link is cake.

Also I think trodes are pretty popular. Slap those on you have a full sensory of AR data
Heath Robinson
QUOTE (TheOOB @ Dec 4 2008, 05:36 AM) *
Blackout specifically notes that it's damage doesn't overflow into the physical, and black hammer states that it only does stun damage to cold sim users, which considering the wording of the statement, the precedent set by blackout, and the simple fact that there is a hardware restriction against lethal amount of biofeedback, it can be assumed that black hammer cold sim damage doesn't overflow into physical.


QUOTE (Page 231 @ BBB)
Black Hammer overflows the Condition Monitor just like other damage
JonathanC
QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Dec 4 2008, 12:44 AM) *
Actually hot-sim mods are likely one of the single most common illegal devices in the setting. Hobo's have hot-sim. For one thing they let you slot BTLs. Second, on many jobs +2 to matrix actions and an extra IP can help you make up that lost time for an extra bathroom brake ... where you slotted a BTL you needed to unwind from working hard enough to get a promotion ... so you can buy more and better BTLs ...

But you are right the particular schmoe they want to hose could easily not have hot-sim. But if he really is a schmoe breaking into his house and swapping out his link is cake.

Also I think trodes are pretty popular. Slap those on you have a full sensory of AR data

Hot-sim is popular among chipheads and hackers, that's about it. Nobody else will get much out of it, and anyone with sense is going to avoid something that can allow someone to fry your brain remotely. Legitimately employed people *can't* have the damn thing, because it's illegal, and they'd get caught the first time they passed through a cyberware detector (airports, train stations, secured working areas, etc.)

Trodes are definitely popular, but they only allow you to use cold sim. You need DNI to get hot-sim, so either an internal commlink or a datajack. So the scenario seems particularly unlikely to me. Not only that, but now that I think of it...since when can someone hack your link and PUSH you into hot-sim? I could see it being done with surgery, but otherwise? Not so much.
Fortune
Trodes are capable of DNI, and can be used for hot sim.
JonathanC
When did that happen? I thought trodes were always cold-sim only.
Fortune
Since at least the advent of SR4.
JonathanC
Perhaps, but I still don't think that you could force a random person to go into hot-sim remotely, especially if their rig hasn't been converted for it.
Fortune
I didn't dispute that. Merely your statement about 'trodes. smile.gif
Tyro
Some people don't want datajacks to be obsolete, and houserule that trodes are cold-sim only and/or aren't as efficient in some way. That's the way I would do it; RAW doesn't really give a non-fluff reason to ever use datajacks that I'm aware of.
JonathanC
Fair enough; but is there any official word on this? I kind of imagined that cold/hot sim was some kind of a mental command, and it makes sense that there would be locks built in to prevent random people from spiking you with hot sim.
Fortune
QUOTE (JonathanC)
Fair enough; but is there any official word on this?


QUOTE (SR4 Core Rulebook pg. 228)
A simsense module is required to access full VR. The sim module is a commlink accessory that you access with a datajack or trode net.


QUOTE (JonathanC)
I kind of imagined that cold/hot sim was some kind of a mental command, and it makes sense that there would be locks built in to prevent random people from spiking you with hot sim.


Hot Sim capablity requires adapting the actual hardware being used. If the person's gear isn't adapted for hot sim, it just isn't possible.
JonathanC
QUOTE (Fortune @ Dec 5 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Hot Sim capablity requires adapting the actual hardware being used. If the person's gear isn't adapted for hot sim, it just isn't possible.

Yes, I know that much. But assuming that you had hot-sim, is it possible for someone to:

a) force you to use hotsim
b) force you to watch a simsense recording (couldn't you just turn it off?)
Ragewind
QUOTE (JonathanC @ Dec 6 2008, 12:59 AM) *
Yes, I know that much. But assuming that you had hot-sim, is it possible for someone to:

a) force you to use hotsim
b) force you to watch a simsense recording (couldn't you just turn it off?)


Yes, as long as they have admin access to your "Link (/Cough Hacking /Cough)
JonathanC
QUOTE (Ragewind @ Dec 5 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Yes, as long as they have admin access to your "Link (/Cough Hacking /Cough)

That...doesn't make much sense. Admin access gives you access to their data and their devices, but cold sim/hot sim is something that affects your own experience, like choosing ANSI colors or not when you're logging into a MUD, or deciding which browser you're using. They can take control of your device, but not your personal account.

Besides, that would mean that technomancers are constantly getting brain fried, since they're *always* wired to use hot sim.
Neraph
QUOTE (Tyro @ Dec 5 2008, 07:46 PM) *
Some people don't want datajacks to be obsolete, and houserule that trodes are cold-sim only and/or aren't as efficient in some way. That's the way I would do it; RAW doesn't really give a non-fluff reason to ever use datajacks that I'm aware of.

Datajacks are a one-time deal, whereas if you want to upgrade your implanted 'link, you need to re'plant it. Not very fun.
Ragewind
QUOTE (JonathanC @ Dec 6 2008, 02:07 AM) *
That...doesn't make much sense. Admin access gives you access to their data and their devices, but cold sim/hot sim is something that affects your own experience, like choosing ANSI colors or not when you're logging into a MUD, or deciding which browser you're using. They can take control of your device, but not your personal account.

Besides, that would mean that technomancers are constantly getting brain fried, since they're *always* wired to use hot sim.


If you have access to the hardware you can make it do anything the user could do. Yes even turn itself off. If you load a Simsense recording onto it you can initiate the program, and override the command the user may input to turn it off. Easy
JonathanC
QUOTE (Ragewind @ Dec 5 2008, 10:20 PM) *
If you have access to the hardware you can make it do anything the user could do. Yes even turn itself off. If you load a Simsense recording onto it you can initiate the program, and override the command the user may input to turn it off. Easy

Um...that's kind of how it might work with our computer systems, but in SR wouldn't you have to be constantly fighting the person in Cybercombat if you wanted to stop them? I mean, since you're actually "there" in the matrix and all that.

As for turning it off....you can't turn off a technomancer's brain. And you could definitely watch a simsense recording on a node, but you're in control of their mode, not their avatar. So you can't control what their avatar is doing. And again, this is assuming that you could somehow drag them into hot-sim VR when most people are just hanging out in AR, which is always cold-sim.
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