I also watch both:

Leverage is more like the A-Team gone Ocean's Eleven and Burn Notice is just great. If you want the know what the uberFace looks like, watch Micheal Westen.

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This is oddly relevant as we've been burning through the season 1 episodes before their taken out of Netflix instant queue. I've been rationalizing it as research because I'm having to back burner other stuff.

The show does get a bit formulaic but honestly it's formula is still better then 99% of the stuff out there.

As others have said it's nice to see a whole group of talented folks rather then specific super specialized persons that seem to be all the rage around here. In response to someone elses comment from way back I think a mastermind so of character is possible but their going to end up being what I like to refer to as a pointman build. Lots and lots of intuition, high logic, attention coprocessor or equivalent adept powers, sleep regulator, some to good social and stealth groups.

On the GM side of the house you don't necissarily allow someone to make some rolls and then spoon feed them the plan, that's no fun for anyone. You allow them to make some rolls and then give them some starting points and things that draw their characters eye, then they tell you what they want to do and you tell them what they need to roll to make it happen.

I think the Leverage crew are "generalizing" because they have capped their primary fields, and need to put that karma somewhere.

Indeed.

Also i got the feeling that they are learning from each other and cross training on each others methods by watching, part of it is they are formly solo operators which meant they stayed right smack dab in their comfort zone. Now their a team and can take down bigger and more complex jobs which requires a more well rounded skill set.

I like the show. Enjoyed the heck out of the first season, but I need to go back and watch the second/jump into the third. Gonna have to look at Hustle now - Burn Notice is already atop the list of shows to watch.

I think Parker is a great example that charisma and beauty aren't necessarily the same and a good example of how to play someone with poor social graces.

Parker is Uncouth.

Well she's actually a perfect model on how one roleplays the heck out of buying of that particular negative quality.

She's not finished buying it off yet, yeah.

*stabs fork in chest* x)

It seems like Elliot's stats are way too high.
Body, Reaction, Agility, Strength, Charisma, Intuition, Logic and Willpower all soft-maxed.

Well, yes. He started out capped out in Unarmed Combat, and has just been burning his Karma into attributes for three seasons.

There depth is what every shadowrunner should have. Despite the super specialist stuff talked about on these boards every shadowrunner should be able to run a con and have basic stealth skills(easier pre4e when it was a single skill and not a group). Everyone will have to talk to people and will have talking encounters put upon them and everyone needs to sneak around and shadow people at the least, slight of hand would be a plus.

Every table is different but this idea you can just shut up and let the face handle it does not seem realistic to me.

It's important that both are possible. Both are realistic, after all.

Personally, I put 1 rank in tons of skills, and rely on Attribs and mods.

Seems more like breadth to me.

Funny language, English, because those mean the same things in this context.