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AllTheNothing
As I was sending the posts some Ideas have hatched in my mind: intelligence gathering.
Replace the Carcerand Plus containing poison hers nanoinfector could contain a mix of RFID taggants some special nanites that act as a cross betwen intruder and hacker nanites that tap in cyberwares and record in the taggants the datas (all that goes trough an implanted comlink, all that cybereyes see and cyberears hear), than a few days later have another meating with him and download from the taggants the data (so just to take a pick into other corps turf).
Or maybe the nanites could wait until the mark connectes to some secure system (you know one that isn't connected to the matrix end has serious phisical security around) and upload a virus.
Or maybe she could infect the target with some pathogen to spread around his coworkers (think what would an epidemy cause in an underwater arcology).
Or plant on him some specificaly prepared tissue to be used as target for ritual sorcery (think what could a pulse spell do, or a wreck elettronics).

More I think to her more uses I find that can have much greater effects than geeking some guy.
TheOOB
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 11 2008, 02:56 PM) *
As I was sending the posts some Ideas have hatched in my mind: intelligence gathering.
Replace the Carcerand Plus containing poison hers nanoinfector could contain a mix of RFID taggants some special nanites that act as a cross betwen intruder and hacker nanites that tap in cyberwares and record in the taggants the datas (all that goes trough an implanted comlink, all that cybereyes see and cyberears hear), than a few days later have another meating with him and download from the taggants the data (so just to take a pick into other corps turf).
Or maybe the nanites could wait until the mark connectes to some secure system (you know one that isn't connected to the matrix end has serious phisical security around) and upload a virus.
Or maybe she could infect the target with some pathogen to spread around his coworkers (think what would an epidemy cause in an underwater arcology).
Or plant on him some specificaly prepared tissue to be used as target for ritual sorcery (think what could a pulse spell do, or a wreck elettronics).

More I think to her more uses I find that can have much greater effects than geeking some guy.

You can also find a way to...smuggle out some of your partners biological material, it's ritual magic mayhem!
AllTheNothing
QUOTE (TheOOB @ Dec 12 2008, 09:17 AM) *
You can also find a way to...smuggle out some of your partners biological material, it's ritual magic mayhem!



Postsn. 40 and 42.
Just to tell that I agreed.
Also ritual sorcery doesn't necessarily need to harm the target; do you want a corp start a new line of production that requires something you produce? Ah the mighty Influence spell.
AllTheNothing
Hey Meschler your lack of response tips me that you have reached the final form of the girl.
If so how did she turn out?

TheOOB
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 12 2008, 08:14 AM) *
Postsn. 40 and 42.
Just to tell that I agreed.
Also ritual sorcery doesn't necessarily need to harm the target; do you want a corp start a new line of production that requires something you produce? Ah the mighty Influence spell.


I insist that my idea was ninja'd well before I posted that!

That or maybe I didn't read the rest of the thread well enough. One of the two.
AllTheNothing
QUOTE (TheOOB @ Dec 13 2008, 10:49 AM) *
I insist that my idea was ninja'd well before I posted that!

That or maybe I didn't read the rest of the thread well enough. One of the two.



Telephaty maybe, you think I post nyahnyah.gif
Meschler
@AllTheNothing

Thank you for asking. At the moment i try to fit all in her essence-wise what i want. The basic concept still stands but i want to try to give her some more options (infiltrator / hacker type) to use if killing is not the best way. Also i try to built that damn bonelacing and orthoskin inside her. At the moment she could kill with Sex (Nanoinfectors) and bare hands (Bonelacing) and send people to sleep with kisses (nanoinfectors / narcoject), her "poisen" dripping cyberbreasts (cybergland also with narcoject) and electroshock them with the orthoskin upgrade. She still has her nanohives with nanitehunters, o-cells, universal nantidodes, trauma control system, nano tattoos, symbiotes and the two nanoinfector systems.

She turned out as the 50 Million ¥ Girl by all this deltaware. I know this is rediculious from an cost/effect point of view but i love her concept biggrin.gif

Best wishes,
Meschler
AllTheNothing
QUOTE (Meschler @ Dec 13 2008, 01:10 PM) *
@AllTheNothing

Thank you for asking. At the moment i try to fit all in her essence-wise what i want. The basic concept still stands but i want to try to give her some more options (infiltrator / hacker type) to use if killing is not the best way. Also i try to built that damn bonelacing and orthoskin inside her. At the moment she could kill with Sex (Nanoinfectors) and bare hands (Bonelacing) and send people to sleep with kisses (nanoinfectors / narcoject) and her "poisen" dripping cyberbreasts (cybergland also with narcoject). She still has her nanohives with nanitehunters, o-cells, universal nantidodes, trauma control system, nano tattoos, symbiotes and the two nanoinfector systems.

She turns out as the 50 Million ¥ Girl by all this deltaware. I know this is rediculious from an cost/effect point of view but i love her concept

Best wishes,
Meschler



The reason why I've been stressing on alternate aproches to hers work is how invasive on hers body the ware turn out to be. Yes I know street samurais go trough alot of body enhacement, but there is a difference to a fundamental level: unless the samurai goes for very extreme augmentation he/she will still be him/her-self, cybereyes, smartlinks, wired reflexes, spurs, none of this changes some fundamental needs inerent in being a metahuman (or for the matter a living being in general): the needs to eat, drink, breath, sleep and reproduce, having a swarm of nanites that infect the partner (and possibly the fetus), lips that knock the partner out if he tries to kiss her, and would she ever have a child she wouldn't even be able to lactate, all of this puts her in the condition of being unable to ademp one of the two imperative of every living being: survive and reproduce, this is going to have a certain impact on hers psiche. Another reason is that the character is completely optimized toward her mission at expense of hers life, she isn't a person anymore she is a weapon, an automa that exists for killing; in my life I had the dubbious pleasure to spend six mounth of my life doing a job that required to get up at 3:20 and allowed me to return home no sooner than 18:30, my life was reduced to aeting working and sleeping, even in the weekend I was so alienated that I couldn't do anything else than vegetating in my home to recuperate, in the end I quit because no matter how much money they were giving me I wasn't living my life anymore, I had become just an implement for work and I can tell you it is psychologicaly devastating. This are the reason because I realy suggest to reduce the ammount of ware if it can covered with gear, false front for exemple, just think how much it affects hers sense of self not having a face of hers own, AltSkin can cover it leaving her with a face in which she can identify herself (not to mention that gives total control on hers aspect, beauty is a very subtle thing and just a random fece want cut it, even with glamour), nanoinfectors are important in the concept but she can cover them with a layer of nanites over AltSkin so that when not in mission she can just be a girl (with some pretty dark secrets but a still girl), same thing for kissing and breasts (those are pert of her femine side, how can she be seductive if she's deprived of those part of herself, not to mention that kissing is usualy part of seduction, how can bring him to have sex with you if you knock him out?); if you realy want to go the way you said at least don't make the nanoinfectors sustained by the nanohive, she just have to iniect them before the mission (iniecting nanoinfector with carcerand plus containing narcoject in the breasts is probably going to painfull), and iniect single system nanites hunters along with single toxine nanoantidotes after to get rid of the unwanted nanoware, no need to have it outside mission.
Also I'm curious about hers story and hers life, how did she come to operate in a such line of work? what kind of relationship does she have with the empploying corp? What does she think about hers superiors? How does they view her? How does other employ of the corp view her? What kind of immage of self the girl has? What kind of life does she have when not on fieldwork? Does she love anyone? Does she have a family? Does she have any problem relating with people around her? What are hers project for the future? In which way hers employers intend to retire her eventualy? What are her hobbies and non-professional interests? You have to flash out those aspects too in order to make her a compelling character, otherwise she could turn up as a monster from That Other Game (one that doesn't have any reason to be aside from killing good people/doing evil things).
From a mechanical point of view I suggest to make her an adept or even better a mystic adept, that would give her access to an array of powers that can replace ware (Knockout spell delivered by kissing, for example, can replace the narcoject nanites, or Critical adept power can replace bonelacing), as well giving her many options she wouldn't have otherwise (scanning auras with astral sight among the others), adding Surge qualities could give her some interesting twists (Vemeronasal Organ is a good example and can easily be paired with Poor Self Control: Compulsively Tidy biggrin.gif ). I would also suggest to avoid making her superwoman, she is a seductress not a fighter or an hacker, she opens the way into enemys turf but it's up to respective specialists to do the job, she can't handle everything that's why she is part of a team, I would say to give her the maximum ranks in stealth and influence skill groups (I consider maximum rank perception as a given for all hers team), followed by 4 or 5 ranks in magical skills (make her a Mystic Adept) and 2 or 3 ranks in combat, matrix and elettronic skills; hers team should geared toward subtle approaches instead of brute force (for that there are shadowrunners) and should be formed by an hacker/rigger type (maximum matrix, elettronics, rigging and stealth skills, 3 or 4 ranks in combat skills, from 1 to 3 ranks in various skills) and a mage/first aid type (maximum magical and stealth skills followed by 3 or 4 ranks in combat and biotech skills and 1 or 2 ranks in odd skills), the team lackes a regular combat and/or demolition specialist due its focus on operating unnoticed but would the need arise hers employers will provide her with the specialist(s) needed for the mission.
Hers missions should seldomly involve killing someone and if she's out for a kill she has better going to do it without leaving traces that lead to her (also being discovered in the midle of the fact is a death sentence, even if your target's "friends" don't kill you but capture you for questioning your corp will nuke you with ritual sorcery to make sure you don't talk), killing someone barehanded is probably not an option due risk of attracting unwanted attenction so bone lacing should be avoided (or replaced by Death Touch spell, make her a Mystic Adept), same thing for electrocuting orthoskin (Knockout spell does the same thing and is resisted with willpower instead of body, it's also probably much less loud); end of line is that if the opposition realizes that it has been hit she has already failed.
The post is already pretty long like this so I quit here, if you have necessity of futher consulence you can always hire me on this forum. wink.gif

In bocca al lupo.

Meschler
@AllTheNothing

Thank you for all your help. Your inpute is very welcome.

At the moment i am gone back to the designe stage of her. The Mystic adept way i have considered in the last days (reading the pornomancer threat) and coupling that with orgasm/orgy and mask spells would be perfect for her concept biggrin.gif But this way is damn karma intensive. To develop her cost an arm and an leg karma wise........ One other possible way would go the cyberzombie route devil.gif Since you could increase your mental attributes as well that mean more charisma and her phisical stats could be bought with cyberlimbs or stay all natural an give her all the nice toys with didnt fit in 6 Essence at the moment.

Two things i want to point out:

1) She has no team and though she must solve most problems alone. Though i think she is indead somekind of "supergirl" or more matching "Supersoldier"

2) As far as my reading goes she can power down the nanoinfectors if she didnt nead them and so there is no infection if she gets romantical involved with a somone she loves. And i think same goes with the cybergland.

Thank you again and best wishes,
Meschler
AllTheNothing
QUOTE (Meschler @ Dec 14 2008, 08:17 PM) *
@AllTheNothing

Thank you for all your help. Your inpute is very welcome.

At the moment i am gone back to the designe stage of her. The Mystic adept way i have considered in the last days (reading the pornomancer threat) and coupling that with orgasm/orgy and mask spells would be perfect for her concept biggrin.gif But this way is damn karma intensive. To develop her cost an arm and an leg karma wise........ One other possible way would go the cyberzombie route devil.gif Since you could increase your mental attributes as well that mean more charisma and her phisical stats could be bought with cyberlimbs or stay all natural an give her all the nice toys with didnt fit in 6 Essence at the moment.

Two things i want to point out:

1) She has no team and though she must solve most problems alone. Though i think she is indead somekind of "supergirl" or more matching "Supersoldier"

2) As far as my reading goes she can power down the nanoinfectors if she didnt nead them and so there is no infection if she gets romantical involved with a somone she loves. And i think same goes with the cybergland.

Thank you again and best wishes,
Meschler



In my opinion making her a do everything harms her as a character, it's unrealistic and makes her uninteresting, she's just so perfect whatever job you might need she can do, she can make you come in your pants just staring you, she's an unfailing sniper and badass gunslinger (she must know how to handle firearms), deadly close quarter combat, can cut trough system firewall and IC in a blink eye, slinges spells like a goddess, can pull off stunts with any vehicle, than what? It can be good to have this kind of character in a videogame, the character being the players avatar around which everything circles and in which hands layes the fate of all in the game, that's because it's what the player will experience, but if the character is an NPC she is going to be "what-you-can't-hope-to-be", or if you prefer "The-superior-being", or "just-plain-better-than-you", if PCs will ever have to work with her she will be just a mock to them, they will be "almost-but-not-enough", the will do the job just because she is busy because she would be better, encouraging powergaming over roleplaying, if she's opposition is the challange with a glowing neon sign that sayes "I dare you" on hers head, the player won't have any fun being kicked around and being made stay put, they'll go after it and seek to overcome her, and if they die failing they will just make more hardcore characters, she just become detrimental to the game.
I tell this because working solo at the levels you desribed she won't survive a mission with anithing but the best, she will have to face security forces at the level of Red Samurais, ICs and spiders around 5 all around, mages, patroling spirits, do everything alone and return to the base. Either that or facing failure.
I also suggested her to have a team because she can't be in two places at the same time, she can't hack and flirt simultaneosly, she can't do everything on hers own because the opposition will act as a organized team, hers target are corps, which are by definition organizations that seek maximum gains with minimum expense and won't skim on money spent to protect their high personalities. The chiose of suggesting an hacker/rigger and a mage as hers team is that shadowrun has three planes that need to be handled: phisical, virtual and astral; if she's not a full mage she's barred from astral (she may astraly percive but she's still bound to hers body) and probably has better things to do than than hacking the opposition system (she was allowed to get close because she seduced hers game, she can't just drop him and go to do hers buisness, she must keep him seduced) and with hers eye catching beauty she going to have a hard time going anywher unnoticed or have people leave her alone; that's why I proposed an hacker/rigger and a mage.
Also consider the possibilities that hers shortcoming can give, hers team is compromised and she can't ask for help the hers employers because that would give them away so she has to become Mrs. Johnson and hire someone to plant false proof to derail the investigations, create disturbance and provide bodyguard service; the mage was shot at by accident and is hospitalized so she must find a replacement ASAP; one of hers employers set her up and she left to hang out dry, she doesn't know what the hell is going on, but she knows that hers employers see her as a threat (she knows too much, she might come back for vengeance, etc.), in order to survive she has to figure out what has happened, who's to blame, how to prove her innocence, how to make the bastard pay, why didn't they already nuke her with ritual sorcery and what is going to happen next, all while staying alive with an angry corp hunting her down, she can't however handle the matrix part so she needs to hire an hacker (along to muscles as bodyguards); giving her weakness also makes her more human and approciable (think a love story betwen her and a PC that endes because their destenies diverge and sadly she's not a good girl and she can't change the way she has taken.........sweet, and sad).

Well I'm start to feel a bit assholish by always trying to tell you how to run your games; I'll try to refrain but if you need an opinion ..........

In bocca al lupo.
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