I want my ninja to wear a chameleon suit, but it doesn't have Capacity listed in Arsenal (they gave it to that stupid jumpsuit, but not the chameleon suit?!) I don't really see a helmet working well with this suit, so I was thinking we should give it two difference Capacity stats - one for the suit itself (a bit low due to the space taken up by the chameleon electronics) and one for the visor/hood, which would replace a helmet for visual and audio sensor storage.

Thoughts?

The only mod I allow on it is thermal dampening, the basic idea being that it's capacity is all used up by it's chameleon properties

EDIT: The jump suit having capacity makes sense, it fills the role of the only non high grade full body armor with capacity

If I remember well ruthenium polymer coating has no capacity cost listed, just add it to a jumpsuit and for the same cost you have a chameleon suit with two extra point of impact armor, a biomonitor built in (which would cost 300 to add) and a music player (just for fluf even thought the GM MIGHT allow to be taken away to give an extra capacity point). I would say that the stupid jumpsuit is one of the best armors in the BBB, I has the tird highest armor rating (after the Full Body Armor, the Armor Jacket and the Camuflage Suit) and the lowest price (along the 4/0 Armor Clothing).

best Protection Value x 1,5 or 6 whichever is better

with a simple dance
Medicineman

Even better, The the biomonitor, Biofabric, Arsenal I forget the page, its in runners toys I belive, 100 bucks and it works like a bio monitor

As Medicineman mentioned the Chameleon-suit has a capacity of 9 (6 x 1,5 =9) and so you can built nice things in in e.g. Termal damping, chemical protection and fire resistance.

Best wishes,
Meschler

Actualy 9 would be the maximum total rating of modifications, which are different from capacity, for exemple a chameleon suit could have rating 6 termal dampening and rating 3 fire resistance (6 + 3 = 9), if that 9 was the capacity (see Arsenal, the table at p.44) the same suit could have termal dampening 6, fire resistance 6 and insulation 6 (respectively 5 + 2 + 2 = 9).
Sorry but those are two different things (even thought a camuflage suit with 12 capacity is Very attractive).

don't forget that you might be referencing two separate rules. There is a formula for "Armor Modification" which is the highest rating x 1.5. Using the chameleon suit as an example, you'd get 9 points to futz around with modifications. As stated above, if you have thermo dampening and non-conductivity, the sum of their ratings would have to equal that 9 or less.

On the other hand, is the rule for "suit capacity" in which only full armor suits and cohesive armors have a capacity. If your suit has a capacity of 6, then you need to reference the chart in arsenal on the page with the rules for modification. Only 2 pieces of armor from the core book were amended to be included with the suit category and given capacities in arsenal. That's the urban explorer jumper and the full body armor. Their capacities are listed on the same page with the armor mod rules.

So, knowing there are two separate rules for armor, you can trick out your chameleon suit using the modification formula, or you can add the chameleon coating (ruthenium or whatever it's called) to a suit that has a capacity later and get roughly the same effect.

heh, i can see a typical gang kit being the jumpsuite with different odds and end, and a ordinary, non-armored jacket over it with gang colors.

get the lower half of the jump suite looking like normal pants (or close enough), and people may not even notice what your wearing.

but both are opsonal and anything can be added to armor. But if abused then the rules can be used to stop über suit tanks this means that mil-spec can be modded to hell by RAW though.

as it should be, its military grade gear after all.

I use capacity and capacity only, with a few exceptions (like how I mentioned I allow thermal dampening on chameleon suits.) I even assign capacity values for audio and visual objects.

That would mean you couldn't put armor upgrades on most armor. I should be able to add insulation to my armored jacket, or nonconductivity to my FFBA.

What you mean with "audio and visual objects"?

Contact lenses, glasses, goggles, ear buds, headphones, etc.

The table at p.44 of Arsenal 2070 doesn't do?

In bocca al lupo.

It's not my house rule, but ...

Can you show me where it lists, on the page you cite or elsewhere, the actual Capacity for contact lenses? Glasses? Ear buds?

Oh my Grid Overwatch Division!!!

I got it all WRONG!! I had thought you were trying to incorporate that gear into the armor.

Yes you are indeed right (as far as my knowledge goes), that stuff was written before Arsenal capacity rules and hasn't been updated yet.

In bocca al lupo.

by RAW in the base rule book, contact lens can hold all the normal vision mods, Don't ask me how they get an ultra sound emiter into them

Granted for a starting char you can get most of the upgrades with a set of contacts and glasses,

Ultrasound is Headware, not Eyeware.

Page 324 base book,

Vision enhancement section, You know glass's goggles ect.

Enhancements
Low light
Flare comp
Image Link
Smartlink
Ultrasound
Vision Enhancment
Vision Magnification

All those Capacity rules from Arsenal are optional.

By default, add whatever you can afford.

Right. I was referring to implants (don't ask me why), which are not eye enhancements, but are quite specifically classified as headware.

Maybe its because the ultrawideband radar is a piece of headware.

Both Ultrasound Vision and Ultrawideband Radar are headware.

*pops out of his hole*

all but for the one add on for glasses

says so in the book hehe

*pops back into his hole*

Does the book say so? State the title and the page pleas.

His point is that the external ultrasound is a vision enhancer that can be added to goggles and cameras, while ultrawideband radar is a stand-alone sensor.

That also means that a character with googles with ultrasound and vision enhancement will be able to use the bonus dice from vision enhancement while using ultrasound, while a character implanted with cybereyes with vision enhancement and ultrasound won't.

Well I did two or three posts back

But then I'm a hear freak so I look more at the toys then the char stats

Page 324 core rule book.

Please note my continual use of the word 'ware' in my previous posts. I thought, obviously erroneously, that it was quite obvious that I was referring to implants, and not external accessories.

As to just why I was talking about implants ... I dunno!

I don't see anywhere at p.324 that glasses can have just one vision enhacement.

what do you mean just one vision enhancment? I am unsure where you got that we ment that glasses can have only one. The issue was capasity at first and then a miss understanding on the idea of the ultra sound being head wear or eyye wear ect. no one mentioned anything about glasses having only one enhancment that I know of.
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No, he said "all but for the one add on for glasses", meaning that all of the modifications being talked about except for one (wiideband radar) can be added as modifications to glasses.

For cybereyes, ultrasound and radar are both out, since they are headware (although they still need to fix the fraggin' bounty hunter archetype to reflect this...).

As far as the chameleon suit, I'll join the chorus saying get the jumpsuit and put ruthenium coating on it. You get extra impact armor, plus a full helmet with its own capacity for things like senseware, and it's all for a whopping 50 more (for getting the jumpsuit and helmet).

What if that much armor would put you over encumbrance?

If your Body is less than 4, you're stuck with the normal chameleon suit, unless your GM uses some or all of the optional rules for tweaking encumbrance. Keeping in mind that armor suit capacity is also an optional rule.

Ok I got all wrong.
Sorry I'm not native to this lenguage and sometimes I can get confused.