In the SR4 book it states that manifested spirits have double their force rating versus non-magical physical attacks. So that means that this applies to guns, swords, etc, so long as they are not magical. OK - nothing different here from SR3.
It also says, "Only the truly courageous, driven or mad have enough force of personality to allow their attacks to affect a spirit." Would someone please tell me what section of the rules this instance? I have read through the combat section and the section on Spirits (pg 170 - 180-ish) and did not see anything.
My memory is that SR3 said that basically you could make a melee attack based on force of will against them at "normal" defenses. However, I cannot find anything like this in SR4.
Any help is appreciated.
Thank you,
nedoking