Actually, there I was referring to the fact that it is easier to put 3-5 rounds on a target the size of a metahuman torso than it is to put a single bullet in a spot the size of a dime.


That's what I was originally thinking as well. Just human blood pulsing through veins that cross bones can throw off a sniper's shot. Which was why I said, 600 meters or so for turbulence and such.

If it's silly Mickey Mouse tricks like shooting dimes (~18mm diameter) that you define as 'sniping', then the metahuman will be limited to somewhere around 140 meters, with the drone limited to something like 25-50 meters.

That was just an example of the difference in types of shooting, and a statement on the type of accuracy I'd want, i.e. 1/8-1/4 MOA.
Oh, and that 'Mickey Mouse trick', in my experience, is a hell of a good way to teach a kid to use a scope.

Obviously, fast enough - and of course, faster than any human.

The drone does not have to correct for small movement. It has to create a movement path for the targeting cross that is bound to be over the target soonish. Only deviations that happen during the "target under cross?" calculation are relevant, and that can be done image-based (as in "almost-real-time").

I do believe that the SR rules are very generous for metahumans, as is desireable from a gaming POV.

Alternate Reality based Online Roleplaying Game.

-Chrysalis

Cool down chummer, your head is going to blow up if you don't take a deep breath.

nah, my kink-bomb is water-cooled, not air-cooled ^^
but yes, i think i have cooled down now

You know 1 + 1 = 2, it was this way 2'000 years ago and it's still this way today; but maybe you are right and sooner or later it might become 1 + 1 = 11.
Unless we are going to discover some revulutionary branch of matematics that makes all the studies done from the dawn of humanity to our days moot it isn't going to possible, BECAUSE IT WAS MATEMATICALY PROVED; it's not a limit in the methodology used to obtain the desired effect, it's the effect that is not obtainable because it would require a number of conditions to be met, and it happens that a number of this conditions are MUTUALY EXCLUSIVE, all that can be done is try to reach an optimal trade off (which happens to be true in many aspects of engineering, and is also the reason because the man can't be replaced by the machine).
I admit that my reply to the Rotbart's post has been a bit harsh, but you know in my post I had explained my reasons and pointed out that I just happen to have spent some time bringing my brain to boiling temperature trying to understand the ins and the outs of the automatic control systems (and so while not being an expert I know what I'm talking about); when I have read his reply I thought "no it won't be possible, it has been proved to be impossible" and I wrote the first thing that passed in my mind, the only thing that I can say is that it was the 1:40 AM and I was so sleepy that I did understand how assholish I was, so here I am:
I'm sorry Rotbart, I didn't mean to be an asshole.

P.S. There's difference betwen "it can't be done because it's not known how to do it" and "it can't be done because it's has been proved to be impossible"; but if you want to ignore this you can also ignore physics such as entropy and create a perpetual motion engine, good luck with that thought.

Yes maybe it can be done but it would require alot of power (which later should be countered) making drone big, noicy and hard to disguise.

Too bad, I needed a new mouse.

Look, there are engineering books out there including all kinds of mathematical proof about stuff that's 'impossible'. Most of them are already outdated by stuff that you use on a daily basis - one being your internet connection.

Look, unless it blatently violates basic physic principles (Conservation of energy, law of thermodynamics), don't think 'impossible' - it's the wrong attitude anyway in engineering.

That's a very romantic notion, but one that becomes less true every day.


Uh, power. One of the things you really don't want to think about in shadowrun.

Geeking people for fun?

1 and 1 in some cases makes 3

How do you know that my internet connection is outdated (it sucks being stuck with a 56k).



Actualy they aren't basic physic principles but they are direct aplication of said principles and the fundation of the whoole field of automation. Also a good engineer has to be realist.



I know researchers who are attempting to develop AI, they say that we are nowhere near obtaining thinking computers; all we can do is attempt to write better code but it is always based on a mechanical applications of cause/effect principle, if certain conditions are met the machine executes certain operations, no thinking involved. Until true AI is developed (with true I mean true thinking not a code written so well that the user can't distinguish it from a human) there's no way that we humans can be replaced by machines.



With power I did mean ammount of force generated for unit of time, not energy source.

Binary code or discount?

Sure. All you have to do is send the command. We do it with computer games. In Shadowrun they do it in AR. What makes it any different at that point? You get more points for harder the shot and harder the kill.

1 Female whatever
1 Male whatever
1 new whatever

If your variables are strings, then 1 + 1 does in fact equal 11.

Jeez, this stuff doesn't matter. If there's really an issue about stability, I'll have the drone land. It's not a big deal. My original question was, how the heck do I get it around the city without it geting shot down by Lone Star?

Quite a few ideas in this thread. All cheap and easy.

I think that it would be exagerated, having a game like that wouldn't be anything wrong, as long as it is a game; if it start translating into reality it becomes murder.
You know how hypocrit the society in SR is, it would upset the wageslaves's sensibilities.

Than 1 donor = [insert number] clones.



True.

Take one of those dragonfly drones (better if the boom version), add signature masking 2, a weapon mount (simple, external, fexible, remote controlled) armed with a modified Ares RedLine with chamilion coating (extended to the drone), pilot upgrade (replaces the drone's pilot (by the way, why is this upgrade aviable for firearms and not vehicles?) modify the hardware to make it a full blown comilnk, 2 slots as per comlink capacity cost), smartgun system, and lowlight camera upgrade.
Basicaly I've merged together the drone and the modified lasergun eliminating the redundant systems, and extending the modifications from the gun to the drone and from the drone to the gun; the weapon mount's flexibility is granted by a fiberoptic wire and with a directionable optical lens at its end (similar to magesight goggles), the pilot upgrade/comlink runs the pilot program, sensorsofts, ECCM, and other necessary softwares, the smartgun's camera is used to identify the target (the drone has only an ultrasound sensor), the drones microgranade is there as extrema ratio.
This drone is intended for infiltrating the target's base attacking him/her/it from close range; for getting close to the target base without getting detected use a modified delivery drone (too small for installing a drone rack but the minidrone(s) can be stored into the delivered wares compartment).

Ultrasound is only available as an upgrade to a Camera - so the Dragonfly already has one. Of course, you can always exchange sensors...

True, I've checked the minidrone's capacity and vision enhacements capacity cost, the dargonfly has a capacity of 3 slots, so it can (and logicaly does) have both the ultrasound sensor and a camera; however the smertgun's camera is still necessary to aim properly.

No, it's not. Neither from a RAW nor a technical PoV - if the weapon s fixed, it has a certain deviation from the view axis that can be used for calculation.

But the general +2 of the smartgun is nice to have for the drone - of course, it needs to have an image and smart link in it's camera, then.

The smartlink processor is easy to add and the immagelink isn't realy needed as the feed from the smartlink is fed directly to elettronic brain of the drone.

Look, by RAW, the drone needs an Image Link to have a Smart Link in it's Camera sensor.

[sarcasm]Makes me wonder if the implanted smartlink needes an image link as well.[/sarcasm]
Anyway, this drone isn't exactly by RAW.

It does.

Technically you need either a imagelink or sim mod.

Eyes come standard with Image-Link and Cam,
and if you add Smartlink, you have the image link in there allready.
Back in SR3 you could piece together your own smartlink from components, and in the 0,5 Essence packet it was all included . .

The image link/simsense are needed in order to deliver the informations to the brain (by the way I thought that the implanted comlink came with a built in DNI, while the cybereye gadget uses the eye's image link), because raw data stream is otherwise hardly compresible to wetware; the alettronic brain of a drone doesn't need this translation, it already works using binary code (using an image link would mean taking a datastream, turning it into an immage just for turning it back to datastream).

Dragonfly drones are micro drones and the weapon mount upgrade is for standard drones. Sorry, but a dragonfly drone can't get a pistol, therefore giving it a smart-link is kinda useless...