Back in SR3, I had a character that designed, milled, and made his own guns (this was over the course of an entire campaign. He only ever got to use them on the final run.) Yes, he owned a soundproofed warehouse with a smelting shop, gun shop, ballistics testing range, and a drafting station.

Using the Gun creation rules, he made a pair of pistols that were SA/BF, did 6S damage, had 6pts of Recoil compensation, and held 30 rounds, in addition to the obvious smartlink and customized grips.

We determined that, after the final run, he retired to producing these guns as special custom orders for shadowrunners. They cost around 5k apiece.

BMW Blitzen with Levitate and Invisibility sustaining foci mods.

As long as there isn't a wall, blowing a crash test going around a corner might not involve road rash. Helps with parking too.

Invisibility just for the looks the rider can get going down the freeway....

Colt Government 2066

Ceramic/Plasteel components 3 [1]
Easy Breakdown (manal) [1]
Silencer [2]
Smartgun System [1]
Skinlink [1]

If the GM allowes overmodding I would also add some chamilion coationg

Edit: Morrissey Elan

Elettronic firing [2]
Silencer [2]
Easy Breakdown (manal) [1]
Laser Sight [1]

SS or SA only.

Having looked at the subject in some depth I have discovered it is possible to build an almost perfect silencer for any weapon regardless of it's calibre.

The real difficulty is super-sonic ammo. Sub-sonic stuff can be made terrifyingly quiet even on full auto.

Heath, j00 iz teh awesome! I want that modded Praettor. Gonna make me one.

One of the things I love about Arsenal is the "similar models" bit, so that you don't have the same car for character/NPC after character/NPC. I wish the basic rules had something similar. And I miss the BMW Blitzen.

I really hoped that they would have that for guns too.

Simple but deadly, I've had these two guys since I converted the character for 4th ed (in third he had the Ares Pred 3)

My Invisible way gunslinger adept sniper () has these two pure black rune carved silenced pistols everywhere he goes. More people have died to these than any other weapon out of the entire team.

Kruo (Ares Predator 4) 5P AP -1 SA (optional under barrel grapple gun)
Internal Smartlink
Chameleon coating
Silencer
Personal grip
Melee Hardening

Tsume (Ares Predator 4)
Lasersight
Silencer
Personalized grip
Chameleon coating
Melee hardening

dual wielded by an adept who specialized in SA, has improved skill pistol, and item attunement on both

And of course his signature weapon, the sniper rifle. Capable of dealing obscene damage. I accidentally killed someone with stun damage overflow in a single shot. *pets his rifle*

Kami No Itte (Ranger Arms 4) 8P AP -3 SA RC (1)

Rigid Stock with shock pad
Personalized Grip
Internal smartgun
Chameleon coating
Imaging scope
Silencer
Bipod

I also have a fully modded Gauss Rifle, and madscanner proof material bags for both weapons (since they're disassembleable). THAT was the most expensive part of each weapon Thank god for a firearm shop and Feng Shui

Why does Tsume have a lasersight instead of the default smartgun system?

duel wielding bonuses I would guess.

Most likely because you can't get the bonus from two smartguns at the same time.

Let us not forget the intimidating dot on the the forehead.

But if you're dual-wielding weapons you can't get the benefit from either a Smartlink or a laser sight, at least by the RAW...

Quote a page? I don't see it under Laser Weapons or Firing Selection Change. Checked the erratta too.

depends is you call laser exotic or not? Me I love my laser minigun

I'd say power packs count as exotic ammunition, and an Unusual loading mechanism.

Just thought up this little baby

Sakura Fubuki with:
Smartgun system
Personalised grip
2xAdditional clip


60 rounds for shortburst with no recoil, 20 burst before loading, and smartlink to boot.
All that for the cheap price of 8000

thats an extra 20 or 80 round depending on you GM and how you read the rules.

I would say 20 as the gun already has 4 "magazines" of 10 rounds each so those extra "mags" wuold be 10 round per one.

Wouldn't this be adding barrels? *not a mod guy*

Fubuki with an underbarrel fubuki?

As Fubuki is a metalstorm weapon, it's barrels are magazines too, you shange the whole barrels when you reload.

Actualy I think that the BBB state it is a muzzle loader, I think that to reload it's used a loader that pushes stacks of bullets into the barrels (probably for all the 4 barrels at the same time).

Im pretty sure that the picture of the gun has an extra barrel next to it, i believe that bullets for it gome from the factory reloaded into barrels you can just swap into place.

For this reason.

Oh, and he was right. Nothing intimidates a non-combat NPC like the red dot of death

Wrong...

Still wrong...

You are all forgetting one very important line from the description of 'Additional Clip' and I quote...

Going to 5 "clips" will reduce you to 8 (7.5, round up) rounds per, for a total of 40 rounds.
Add Extended Clip for 10 (9.375, round up) rounds per, for a total of 50 rounds.

Going to 6 "clips" will reduce you to 6 (5.625, round up) rounds per, for a total of 36 rounds.
Add Extended Clip for 8 (7.03125, round up) rounds per, for a total of 48 rounds.

Just adding Extended clip gets you to 13 (12.5, round up) rounds per, for total of 52 rounds.

The only reason adding barrels/clips would be worth anything is if the GM sets the rounds per burst to the number of barrels (how I see it) instead of the flat 3.

Finally, in the reloading debate, look carefully at the picture in BBB P.307. The picture of the Fubuki has a picture of a barrel above it. You might be confused for a moment until you realize the gun is pointed to the right and the single barrel to the left with a line showing an insertion path.

That is all...

with the end result that one have a repeat of the complaints that one can create a assault rifle thats easier to hide then a hold out...

grab a bmw bluthund (dodge guardian variant)

there is also a bmw variant of the monocycle. though i would not have minded if they also had one based on that insane tracked one, evo falcon.

hmm, someone talked about a motorcycle with a horse persona. i would love to do a transforming anthroform drone, packing a assault cannon

Ah, thanks for the heads-up, hobgoblin. My character is Japanese, so would probably go for something else, but for NPCs, that's a beauty.

Yes you are right about to picture, but that barrel switching action is an hooribly inefficent way to reload a weapon.

not my desired goal. I was just wondering.

hmm, a extra cylinder (using the extra clip rule) could have been interesting for that design.

yes, i know a cylinder is not a clip, but how much bulk would it really add?

hell, maybe allow the whole cylinder to be replaced, using speed loader rules for reloading...

ok, why did i just go silly creative with this?!

The weapon mod rules seem to inspire that.



Ironically, there is a precedent set by the Shiwase microwave cannon--which is basically a big vehicle-mounted pain inducer with full-auto capability--and the pain inducer is one of the laser weapons specifically called out in the mod's description.

I guess you could rule that it has to be designed that way, and can't be modded to it later. Makes nano-forges even more attractive.

could be that it can handle FA as its designed to be powered of a vehicle, not some battery pack...

could be that if one upped the supply rate from battery to gun, the battery could overload and become unstable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAtBiTSsKY

Hmm, kinda makes me think of red-lining my Redline.

Any motorcycle
Walker Mode
Personality Software (Horse)

You can go further, but that's all that's needed for the effect. Maybe Pimped 1 or 2 to complete the look.

i think ill toss in some arms as well, just for the complete look.

and if anyone wonders what im on about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPHIfCstm5A

Ares Crusader
Gas Vent 3
Personalized Grip
Internal Smartlink
Electronic Firing

Nothing like burst-firing without having to worry about recoil. And the 40round clip is exceptional.

Ares Citymaster
Walker Mode
Reinforce the standard Weapon Mount to a Turret with the GM Light Cannon
Add 2 more heavy weapon mounts (Flexible) with GE Vigilant Light Autocannons
Chameleon Coating

Bwahaha!

im somewhat partial for this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL5CFCtucQo

could be that they used it for just about any interesting combat scene throughout 2 seasons

Don't work together.

No no no no... It comes stock with Gas Vent 2, so you can't put Gas Vent 3 into it (Gas Vent specifically states once installed it can not be uninstalled, BBB P.311). Personalized Grip gives you nothing if you also have Electronic Firing since their RC does not stack (ARS P.148). That gun would only have 3 points of RC.
As a side note, it also has Extended Clip stock so you can't install that option.

Try this instead
Steyr TMP or FN 5-7C
Gas Vent 3 (2 mod)
Personalized Grip (1 mod)
Underbarrel Weight (2 mod)
Extended Clip (1 mod)
Smartgun System (Top, Accessory) w/ Skinlink
Sound Suppressor (Barrel, Accessory)

Steyr TMP: 4P, SA/BF/FA capable, 38©, RC: 5 loud or 2 quiet.
FN 5-7C: 4P, SA/BF capable, 25©, RC: 6 loud or 3 quiet.

Both will let you fire two burst loud or one burst quiet with no recoil. You can also drop the 'Extended Clip' and add 'Folding Stock, Powered' for another point of RC.

I take that the difference in RC betwen loud and quiet are dued to an incompatibility betwen the Gas Vent and the Sound Suppressor, said incompatibility IMO makes sense but by RAW I don't remember of reading anywhere anything about it (to the point that the Ingram SMG comes by default with sound suppressor and gas vent); could you please tell me where did you find this rules? And maybe where is stated that gas vent can be deactived?

Hushpuppy
Light Pistol Smartgun with 20-round magazine, Level 3 Ceramic/Plasteel Construction, and Integral Sound/Thermal Suppression. Fires a SAP round for 4P and -2 AP.

Buzzsaw
Machine Pistol Smartgun with 40-round magazine, Level 3 Ceramic/Plasteel Construction, Integral Sound/Thermal Suppression, SA/BF/FA fire modes, a sling mount, and a Folding (actually a Collapsible) Stock. Also fires a SAP round for 4P and -2 AP.

This was from memory. I was figuring you'd upgrade the Gas Vent 2 to 3. So I guess:

Ares Crusader
Internal Smartlink
Electronic Firing
Powered Folding Stock

EDIT:

Arsenal, page 152 under Gas-Vent System. Middle of 2nd paragraph.

Was about to pull that out. Serves me right for going eat. It boils down to the effects are not compatible, to get the silencer/suppressors effect you have to turn off the Gas Vent (which is a Simple Action, Free Action in a Smartgun).

*EDIT*
Sorry if I'm painful about Mods. My PCs kinda went crazy when they first got Arsenal and built some supper wacky guns. Some of them had like 20 mod slots used, tons of incompatible RC. Here is one I dug out that got submitted to me.
That thing has 18 points of mods, only a 7(8 ) RC [still insane], and just all around crazy. It also added +7 (or 11) to its conceal. And he thought he could fire it full auto and still be totally quiet.

Since then I have double, triple, and quadruple checked all modded weapons. *SHUDDER*

I didn't even attempt weapon mods until I knew how many slots there were. I knew it was like capacity for cyberware (i.e. limited) but I had trouble locating the number.

Then I found it.

Then I went crazy.

(Though our sniper tried to put a bunch of incompatible RC mods together on his shotgun too).

I'm kinda partial to my ceramic-plasteel 3 projectile cyberspurs with personalized grip. (They come our between the thumb and forefinger, allowing better control.)

My monosword kodachi with personalized grip and underbarrel Redline laser pistol is made of win, though slightly less so under the normal rules. It uses an inertial trigger to detect when the sword is swung and activate the laser automatically, which is built into the hilt of the sword. Fiber-optic strands embedded in the steel split and carry the beam along the length of the blade and release it laterally on either side at right-angles. When the beams cross at the edge, wave interference causes the lightwaves to cancel each other out--effectively sheathing the cutting edge in red laser light.

Makes it more or less the melee equivalent of a gauss weapon, and has the added benefit of being self-sharpening.

Monofilament Sword 750¥
Personalized Grip 100¥
Underbarrel Redline Laser 7,500¥
Inertial Trigger 25¥

Satchel Power Pack 750¥

Total: 9,125¥

Reach: 1
DV: (STR/2) + 8
AP: 1/2, -1

I call it Akaitsuki. (Red Moon in Japanese.)

Technically there aren't rules for doing this, but my GM lets me get away with it because it's awesome and doesn't tip the power scale that much. Even with this sword and all my ware and combat drugs, I'm still not the scariest melee guy we've got. Maybe the second scariest.

If you wanted to stick to RAW you could set the inertial trigger to activate when the blade hits somebody--so the laser shoots them instead of some guy across the room--and just resolve the damage separately.