Just wonder, what would be right price for metahuman meat?
for ghoul character.. would right price be Dinner's 25 yen? (BBB p.304)

Metahuman meat is going to be highly variable. Normal meat I'd expect to run around $10/lb or more. Metahuman meat is unusual in that it's quite commonly available, but illegal to harvest. Therefore you won't find metahuman meat in any area C level or better (remember, illegal!) and if you did, the price would be exorbinate - human steaks for $500 sort of thing. Once you hit the barrens, the price for killing a hobo drops precipitously, and I'm sure a ghoul can connect himself such that he can get meals for 25 nuyen a pop or less.

If i remember correctly there is a restaurant called Takonashi (??) which serves
metahuman meat for ghouls..really posh type of place. Certainly above C-rank zone..?

Placentas count as metahuman flesh and legal to consume, and available in some specialty restaurants...

Would troll meat be the same price as other metahuman meat? It's got all sort of subdermal bone deposits in it.

Ewwwwww....

btw, nice sig line.

so ghoul in the business suit can order placentas in restaurant and nobody cares..Nice!!
Civilized ghoul would be meat-ticket to feral ghouls like..:
..I would order number 4 now and number 5,6,7,8 in take-aways thank U!

I can't remember which book, but there is a chapter-opening story in one of the SR4 books about a recently ghoul-ified girl who does just this. They call ahead of time and have some raw meat (beef, I think) ready and waiting for her when she sits down. Pretty swank place too.

Runner's Companion page 45

Illegal harvesting of metahuman flesh isn't the only way to provide gouls their favourite meat (it's just the fastest/cheapest), cloned flesh would do just fine; and if the quality isn't required hospitals are a great place to get food, just thing how many part of their bodies people ditch in favor of cyber/bio-ware (or new a organ that are in working conditions when the original isn't anymore).

Rummage around the back of hospitals for surgical waste and bags of fat from the liposuction procedures! It's like fast food for ghouls.

I actually don't believe that is the case. This is precisely why Dunkie made such a large allotment in his will to finding a replacement for metahuman flesh for ghouls, because cloned flesh just won't cut it.

The Companion specifically says: "a popular theory maintains that ghouls' need for metahuman flesh has something to do with its metaphysical aura." Cloned flesh doesn't have a metaphysical aura to speak of.

RC states (at p.61) that force growing clones suffices to provide the needed nuorishment.

No, RC p. 61 sidebar is a "fluff" bit from the scientific community that states that "Cloned metahuman flesh and blood, including bioware, can satisfy some of these dietary requirements. Force growing immature clones may provide an expensive but viable mid-term answer to the need to segregate HMHVV-positive individuals."

It also says they need 1% of their body weight weekly... when the truth (per rules) is 5% (p. 78, Game Info). In other words, cloned flesh satisfies a portion of their need for meat, but likely that portion could just as easily be filled by raw beef.

And yes, this does mean that the scientific community - as reported to the UN - is a bit... off... on their figures. (Wonder who bribed them?)

My guess would be Asamando - they have good reason to make ghouls look better in the public eye. The Ghoul Liberation League is another likely prospect.

Goes straight to the thighs though..

I can't imagine how disgusting it would be to eat human. People complain about all the toxic shit we put into feed cattle. Can you imagine what they could squeeze out of human fat?

(As an aside: this is actually why its so difficult to definitively prove that something does or does not cause birth defects in humans- our background intake of toxic shit is so high that its near impossible to rule out other causes. Ironically, women with strict heath-conscious lifestyles (vegans for example) that would likely make the best test subjects are the absolute least likely to sign up to be guinea pigs...)

Ah, yes..makes me think of Dominion: Tank Police, and the hospital that treated only HEALTHY people.....

I thought TRUE vegans had a tendency for suffering dietary deficiencies which would cause possible birth defects. Not that many people know how to supplement a meatless diet, which is one of the reasons I've rarely seen someone maintain a strictly vegan diet for more then a few years at a time and the few I have seen who do tend to get sick more often.

True vegans do have some serious health issues since most of them do not know how th supplement their diet. My x-wife went Vegan and she was having all kinds of serious health issues from it after a year. A year latter and talked to her on the phone, she had to start eating meat again.

Meh. I've been a vegetarian for 25 years. Lately I've rather been forced partially into veganism due to the development of lactose intolerance. I miss cheese and ice cream like hell, but I'm no more prone to sickness than anyone else I know.

That means you're doing it right. My mom's also "doing it right" though she does raid the turkey carcass on Thanksgiving because the vegetarian substitutes are crap.

Well the main dietary concern in pregnancy is usually folate, which is found in green leafy vegitables. Not something vegans are usually deficient in. Most other stuff the baby will get preferentially. In this regard, pregnancy is more dangerous to the mother than the baby. Iron, for example would be a major concern. Vegans tend to be slightly anemic to begin with, and even in women that eat red meat it can take up to a year postpartum to replenish their iron stores, but the baby is usually fine.

{edit: not that this has anything to do with the topic of this thread.... sorry for the derail }

Don't know about prices for a single dinner, but RC suggests as an optional rule that lifestyle costs for the Infected may simply be raised by 20%, as long as they maintain at least a middle lifestyle.
Of course, that's probably oversimplistc and may not do justice to the fact that SR fluff has always stressed how real meat has become something only upper-class people can afford anymore, but it sure cuts down on tedious micromanagement.

Middle lifestyle = 5,000¥/month = 60,000¥/year ≈ 165¥/day

So, 30% ≈ 50¥ per day as a floor cost for metahuman meat.

Better lifestyles than Middle probably cost more for safety, convenience, taste, and being treated as normal by the waitstaff.

At Luxury the extra 30% works out to 985¥/day. Enough to have a personal chef/assistant to take care of whatever parts of the process you find uncomfortable. (or to clean up the mess if you enjoy your food live).

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^{Edited to correct for Runner's Companion actually saying to charge 30%.}

Try skinning it before you eat it. I can't think of any mammialian meat that's eaten with the skin on.

Naked mole rats?

There's several preparations of pork where the skin is intentionally left intact (they just remove the hairs) to produce a thick, roasted crust which is said to be particularly delicious.
As a vegetarian, i can hardly say wether the part with the deliciousnes is true, as the idea of a whole suckling pig roasted on the spit (Spanferkel, a delicacy in Bavaria) is somehow nauseating to me, but there's a lot of people who swear by it and even claim that the skin is the best part of the dish.

However, pigs don't have dermal deposits, so...yeah, you're probably right about that part.^^

Come to think of it, I've had roasted pig before. With skin. I'd forgotten about that particular party... it was the 50th birthday party of a prominent Renfaire actor (Karl the Troll, for those of you familiar with Gig Harbor).

From my now corrected first post:
"Infected Lifestyle" costs +30% of Middle or higher lifestyle, for a floor cost of 50¥ per day, or 350¥ per week.

Infected also need 5% of their body weight per week. Of course body weight varies considerably by race, but around 95 kg is a good approximate weighted average.

Given the above values, metahuman flesh therefore has an average value of 75¥ per kg.

With the price now spelled out, 'looting bodies' can be more profitable than ever. An average body can go through a Tam contact and still net you almost 50% of what a typical run might pay. Stealing cars isn't even so profitable, so SINless street-trash are likely going to become an endangered species.

Their only going to pay you ~10% of that $75, so your looking at $7.5 a kg of meat. Not as valuable then, and your dealing with the just pure evil.

It still works out to about 712 per human corpse (95kg). Trolls would be worth more.

No such thing. If you're going to shoot a guy in the face for money, then it's not evil to sell his flesh for food, or to make use of his skin and bones for arts and crafts time, etc. Full use of your prey's remains is an old concept.

I was talking about the group your dealing with being pure evil, not selling the body. I played CP2020 for years and my fav quote is "Parts is parts, Dead is dead, dead guys is parts". Selling body to an organ bank or such is a little warped but good money. Selling the body to an organization made up of monsters that feed on the essence of human life, practice the darkest forms of magic, etc is working with the pure evil bastards.

95kg average for humans?! Thats 209lbs, a little on the high side don't you think? I believe that 95kg number came from averaging all the races. And that number includes the weight of bones and such, so the value per pound would go down. Your looking at $400 to $500 for a human male, which is still a decent chunk of change.

I'm bad at the whole kilograms thing. I saw the 95 and used it.

Just use 1kg = 2.2lbs for quick and dirty math. If you need exact numbers, its 1kg = 2.20462262lbs.

70 kg is generally used as the ideal human male.

Isn't all this talking about the cost of human flesh a little morbid?

Morbidity?
Here?
On dumpshock?

Impossible.

I did not say a human weighed 95 kg, I said that 95kg was a reasonable weighted average for metahuman body-weight.

For the record (per SR4A), the average masses of metahumanity are:

•   54 kg (120 lb) - Dwarf
•   78 kg (170 lb) - Human
•   80 kg (175 lb) - Elf
• 128 kg (280 lb) - Ork
• 300 kg (660 lb) - Troll

The mean of all five races is 128 kg. However this is skewed both by the significant size of trolls, and by the inherent assumption that the races are equally represented in the population.

Since population ratios vary from region to region, I simply dropped dwarves and trolls from the calculation as outliers, and averaged elves, orks, and humans, getting 95 kg.

I hear elf'iz taste likz chicken, orkz likz porker, an' dem dar dwarves like snake. Don' kno' bout no trolz 'doh, 'day don' likez ta be eaten.

Also remember that the weight of the dermal deposits would have to be subtracted from troll weight.

I'd think dwarves would weigh more than that at a glance, considering their muscle density.

Now, the most important question...

What BBQ Sauce goes best with "Long Pig"?

I like blood sauce, myself

Sarge: "I only drink the blood of my enemies... and occasionally a Strawberry Yoohoo... or Sarsaparilla... Grenadine, straight from the can, dee-licious... Oh, occasionally I do enjoy a Sex On The Beach or a Pina Colada." [sings] "If you like Pina Coladas / and getting caught in the rain / If you're not into yoga / Grif just has half a brain."