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paws2sky
May 19 2009, 08:51 PM
I found this bit on the 6th world wiki. [link]

QUOTE
Mars
From Sixth World Wiki
In 2064, Yamatetsu, helped by Russia and the Pacific Prosperity Group, succesfully sent the manned spaceship Valentina Tereshkova to Mars. As far as the public knows, this is the first manned mission to reach the Red Planet, although rumors/conspiracy theories says that the NASA did so first in the 2010s.
By 2070, Yamatetsu, now named Evo, has successfully established a base on Mars.


Have there been any other details released about this facility?
Like, how many people live there?
What kind of work they're doing?
Is the public even aware of it?

-paws
Stahlseele
May 19 2009, 08:57 PM
Guess they will cover things like this in strange something someting or something something of intrigue or however those books are called.
And i still say we need a book:"Shadowrun: IIN SPAACEE!"
kzt
May 19 2009, 09:00 PM
Frank ran a rather bizarre game set there. It died after a few months and I have no idea what he actually wrote down about it. You could email him and see if he has anything he'd be willing to send you, but it certainly isn't going to be "the official word".
paws2sky
May 19 2009, 09:03 PM
Couldn't agree more, Stahlseele. I'd love a book that, if not solely focused on Space, at least dedicated a good number of pages to it... Hmm. This could make for a good PDF project.

-paws
Stahlseele
May 19 2009, 09:05 PM
i'd buy the shit out of that . .
one for me, one for my buddies . . each . .
Tanegar
May 19 2009, 09:16 PM
I would also love to see a dedicated space sourcebook for Shadowrun. Considering the climax of Neuromancer and the climax of one of Count Zero's subplots took place in orbit, I'm amazed Shadowrun hasn't had a space setting book before now.
MJBurrage
May 19 2009, 09:24 PM
I would love a Shadowrun Space Sourcebook.

It should update all past details (various stations etc.) to the present day. Notes on station size, background count etc.

If it's not enought for a stand alone print book than an adventure in space with a detailed backround section or a PDF book would be great also.
Ancient History
May 19 2009, 09:52 PM
I would love to write a book on Shadowrun in Space. Whine! Whine little shadowfans! Complain to the unholy triumvirate at CGL and maybe they'll put it on our bloated schedule.
Jhaiisiin
May 19 2009, 10:19 PM
Uncle AH is actually *asking* us to pitch fits and get our torches and pitchforks? Oh, AH, what have you unleashed...

That said, GIVE ME SR: SPACE! MUST HAVE!
Rusted Scrap Metal
May 19 2009, 10:24 PM
How would the runners get to Mars?

Well, this is a "Prime Runners Only" job...

Rumor says that NASA *might* have done it, but nobody knew. Ares said that the data was lost in the Crash.

So, keep in mind the mindset of the Cold War, and then think of that 2010 base. It would have defenses "Just in Case" and all of that.

But what has been living there. What has been growing there...

And how have the events since it "went dark" affected it?
Stahlseele
May 19 2009, 10:32 PM
Wonder if they found hints at flying saucers, pyramids and dragon bones up there?
That said:
SR: IIN SPAACEE!
[ Spoiler ]

OK, had to trim this posting down a bit.
Board did not seem to like 1000x Gimme!
I don't frigging care if it's not a feasbile Shadowrunner field of application.
Make it a plot-book if you have to. Or something like the States of XXX series, but GIEF NAO!
And have Uncle/Aunty Ancient write it damn you!
Someone start a petition about this! Gets my Vote in an instant! Just add Water!
Prime Mover
May 19 2009, 10:47 PM
A field of fire redux & refurbish and a cool space book with a ton of great plot hooks would definetly be on my willing to buy list.
Kerenshara
May 20 2009, 12:37 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 19 2009, 04:57 PM) *
Guess they will cover things like this in strange something someting or something something of intrigue or however those books are called.
And i still say we need a book:"Shadowrun: IIN SPAACEE!"

NOW I know what to call you: Sweetums. *kiss* ::Kerenshara
Kerenshara
May 20 2009, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ May 19 2009, 06:47 PM) *
A field of fire redux & refurbish and a cool space book with a ton of great plot hooks would definetly be on my willing to buy list.


Oh, I think you could say that with a certainty. Especially if they really are returning to their original 1st ed. format (with all the lovely fluff) for the 20th anniversary stuff.
Kerenshara
May 20 2009, 12:42 AM
QUOTE (Ancient History @ May 19 2009, 05:52 PM) *
I would love to write a book on Shadowrun in Space. Whine! Whine little shadowfans! Complain to the unholy triumvirate at CGL and maybe they'll put it on our bloated schedule.

Given the AMAZING rate at which this thread is expanding with everybody saying something along the lines of "oh my gods yes! hellz yeah! gimmie gimmie gimmie!!!!", maybe CGL really SHOULD at least bat it around. There ARE a number of orbital habitats that should get at least a little play... heck, one of the one-page stories in the books (chapter teaser) is ON one of the orbital platforms! But I will not whine, or beg...

*Kerenshara batts her eyelashes winsomely at the Evil Triumberate at CGL*
Rusted Scrap Metal
May 20 2009, 01:28 AM
Sorry, I'd do something up, by my knowledge of the Shadowrun universe stops right after the events in Bug City.

Space stations are right up my alley.
Backgammon
May 20 2009, 01:55 AM
I want Eclipse Phase, really.
Matsci
May 20 2009, 01:59 AM
From Augmentation

QUOTE
> It’s a matter of time. Both Evo and Proteus are toiling away on projects to “green” Mars at some point in the future.
> Plan-9

> Omae, they’ve already started.
> Orbital DK


QUOTE
> Let’s not overlook Evo’s interests on Mars. I wonder if they ever did bring back those xenobiological genomes from the Red Planet.
> Plan 9

> Someone’s off his meds again.
> Butch
Rusted Scrap Metal
May 20 2009, 02:31 AM
OK, keep feeding me data and I'll see what I can do.

I can't do SR3 or SR4 mechanics, so I'd probably do all fluff and mechanics vague mechanics, if you get what I mean.

First thing would be to take on decompression and low/zero G conditions. How kinetic weaponry and knives could affect suits, and how it would be taken care of.

Secondly, I'd need whatever data could be found.

Right off the bat, we have: No inertial compensators or dampeners, no FTL communications ability or flight times. Orbiting stations would avoid the L points because of their natural tendency to attract garbage. We'd have to assume that aerogel is in standard usage, so that they could use it for barriers and insulation.

The biggest reason is: How would the runners get involved? This is Prime Runner only category stuff. Not for street slime. Not for guys who blew away city blocks trying to do a run. Not for guys who are rabidly anti-corp. It would have to be those who look good in Mr. Johnson's little black book, and one who has a good name and rep in the Corp circles.

Why would Evo use runners instead of standard people? Is there a certain something something that the runners have that the Corp needs?

That's the first question we'd have to answer.
Matsci
May 20 2009, 03:12 AM
QUOTE (Rusted Scrap Metal @ May 19 2009, 06:31 PM) *
OK, keep feeding me data and I'll see what I can do.


First thing would be to take on decompression and low/zero G conditions. How kinetic weaponry and knives could affect suits, and how it would be taken care of.

Secondly, I'd need whatever data could be found.

Right off the bat, we have: No inertial compensators or dampeners, no FTL communications ability or flight times. Orbiting stations would avoid the L points because of their natural tendency to attract garbage.


1. Spacesuits are covered in Target:Wastelands (3rd) and Arsenal (4th).

2. There is a space-station build at all the Terran Largange points, though one is a wreck, and Solar L3 point
The Jake
May 20 2009, 03:42 AM
QUOTE
From Augmentation

QUOTE
> It’s a matter of time. Both Evo and Proteus are toiling away on projects to “green” Mars at some point in the future.
> Plan-9

> Omae, they’ve already started.
> Orbital DK


QUOTE
> Let’s not overlook Evo’s interests on Mars. I wonder if they ever did bring back those xenobiological genomes from the Red Planet.
> Plan 9

> Someone’s off his meds again.
> Butch



Someone beat me to it. Cheers.

Does that mean Mars would have its own biosphere and mages could function? Or are we a bit off from that yet?

- J.
GreyBrother
May 20 2009, 05:23 AM
There are Space Rules in the Arsenal, not much though.

Dunno if i want a Space Book for Shadowrun, but definatly something along the lines of the Citybooks or the old Target: Whatever Books about those extreme enviroments would be a nice addition.
Medicineman
May 20 2009, 06:20 AM
Where can I sign the Petition ?
I too, want my SR4 in Space ! Make It a PDF !
....oO(so many possibilituies,so many Run Ideas ,so many good Sci-Fi Movies spinning around in my Head)

with a spinning Dance
Medicineman
Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 06:48 AM
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ May 20 2009, 02:37 AM) *
NOW I know what to call you: Sweetums. *kiss* ::Kerenshara

Wait Wut? O.o
KCKitsune
May 20 2009, 07:23 AM
I think the only problem would be for all those player who run mages... if your mage is sufficient diversified then no problem, but if not then he's screwed.

This was why I wrote up my rules for Psions in the Shadowrun universe. Mages don't work too well in space. frown.gif
Dumori
May 20 2009, 07:30 AM
Shadowrun: IN SPACE! I'm all for that.
Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 07:33 AM
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ May 20 2009, 09:23 AM) *
I think the only problem would be for all those player who run mages... if your mage is sufficient diversified then no problem, but if not then he's screwed.

This was why I wrote up my rules for Psions in the Shadowrun universe. Mages don't work too well in space. frown.gif

Yes, i forgot about that.
Damn, how could i forget about that?
And WHY AM I NOT IN SPACE AND SAFE FROM MAGICS RIGHT NOW? <.<
Make with the Book! ._.
Cthulhudreams
May 20 2009, 07:42 AM
QUOTE (kzt @ May 19 2009, 04:00 PM) *
Frank ran a rather bizarre game set there. It died after a few months and I have no idea what he actually wrote down about it. You could email him and see if he has anything he'd be willing to send you, but it certainly isn't going to be "the official word".


That was a fun game.
KCKitsune
May 20 2009, 08:02 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 20 2009, 03:33 AM) *
Yes, i forgot about that.
Damn, how could i forget about that?
And WHY AM I NOT IN SPACE AND SAFE FROM MAGICS RIGHT NOW? <.<
Make with the Book! ._.


OK, laying the sarcasm on me kinda thick don't you think? frown.gif

Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 08:19 AM
No, i meant it O.o
i don't know how i missed that.
and i hate magic ^^

hmm, i wonder . .
by the time the Horrors come about again, humankind in sR will most likely have terraformed the mars and settled over.
Maybe the Moon too. Are the Horrors bound to earth? Imagine them coming out of the Warp, looking around and Ysrthgrate goin(Hulk-Hogan Voice):"Where IS everybody?"
treehugger
May 20 2009, 09:54 AM
If my memory is correct, there was some advertisement made for a new game that was coming out, taking place in space and having elves trolls etc ...
I remember thinking at that point : "that's the 7th or 8th world" since the compagny doing the game was one of those involved in shadowrun. (but between wizkids, fanpro and catlyst i cant recall ...)
Anyone see what i'm talking about ?
Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 10:06 AM
Sounds kinda like WH40k *runs*
GreyBrother
May 20 2009, 11:06 AM
I think he means BattleRun.
Medicineman
May 20 2009, 11:31 AM
Neither Nor
I Think he Means another one (not Exodus ?) which is labelled SR in the 8th World.
A yet to be produced RPG (that I'm looking forward to)
The only other RPG with Elves in Space I know of is " Dragonstar"(D&D goes StarWars )

HokaHey
Medicineman
GreyBrother
May 20 2009, 12:16 PM
Hmmmm does Spelljammer count?
paws2sky
May 20 2009, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (treehugger @ May 20 2009, 05:54 AM) *
Anyone see what i'm talking about ?


Wasn't that Eclipse Phase? I honestly don't recall. I remember the game description though.

QUOTE (Rusted Scrap Metal @ May 19 2009, 06:24 PM) *
How would the runners get to Mars?
Well, this is a "Prime Runners Only" job...


Well, if they did a whole space-oriented release, then they could cover more than just Mars. All of the known space stations, bases, etc. should be fair game.

I guess if you're doing a traditional shadowrun, then yeah, most space jobs would probably require prime runners, or experienced ones. That's assuming that there aren't runners who specifically operate in space.

Really, though there's a lot of opportunity here for alternate campaigns. Residents of a space station (especialy if something goes horribly wrong), crew of a research vessel/base, privateers, survey and mining crews.

For instance, Evo (formerly Yamatetsu) has a "resort" type space station, at least according to the 6th World Wiki. Depending on how much traffic they get, it might be viable for a runner team to go up the well for a working vacation. Or just a vacation.

Plus, there's been mention of a space elevator being developed, though I don't recall where at the moment. All kinds of juicy plot potential there.

QUOTE
Rumor says that NASA *might* have done it, but nobody knew. Ares said that the data was lost in the Crash.
So, keep in mind the mindset of the Cold War, and then think of that 2010 base. It would have defenses "Just in Case" and all of that.
But what has been living there. What has been growing there...
And how have the events since it "went dark" affected it?


It sounds like Mars is currently in the "shake and bake" phase - small, essential population. Once things are sufficiently (meta)human-friendly, it probably wouldn't take long to get a proper number of colonists settled.

I imagine there could be a self-sustaining base out there, somewhere. Or the remnants of one. Seems unlikely that is hasn't been found by Evo survey teams, but... maybe they haven't been looking in the right spot.

-paws

treehugger
May 20 2009, 01:09 PM
QUOTE (Medicineman @ May 20 2009, 07:31 AM) *
Neither Nor
I Think he Means another one (not Exodus ?) which is labelled SR in the 8th World.
A yet to be produced RPG (that I'm looking forward to)
The only other RPG with Elves in Space I know of is " Dragonstar"(D&D goes StarWars )

HokaHey
Medicineman

In fact, i think i found it : http://eclipsephase.com/game
Eclipse phase.
Doesnt seem like SR 8th world :'(
But i'm pretty sure it was what i first saw.
Do you have other sources Med ?
Medicineman
May 20 2009, 01:34 PM
I Think its Eclipse Phase (also because I've seen two known SR Faces in the Eclipse Crew ) too.
It might have some connections to Earthdawn (Horrors maybe),Megacons .
OK it uses another Dice System,but that's the same with Earthdawn.
So I'm not totally ,but quite shure its Eclipse Phase.At Least it seems to be an interesting Sci-Fi-RPG

with a Dance in Space
Medicineman
Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 02:08 PM
The same could probably be said about SR5 D20 *runs*
treehugger
May 20 2009, 02:36 PM
From what i read, it doesnt really look like the future of Shadowrun ... at least i havent seen any mention of magic etc ...
No one has some info regarding those potential links (SR/ED/Eclipse phase)
cyronc
May 20 2009, 02:43 PM
if iam not mistaken the previously mentioned 8th world space game will be Equinox by RedBrick, who are the current developers/license holders of FASA's earthdawn(which is the 4th world, in FASA's earth-magic-cycle fantasy games[earthdawn=horror/fantasy,shadowrun=cyberpunk/fantasy,and equinox will probably be space opera/fantasy)
Demonseed Elite
May 20 2009, 02:46 PM
If you're trying to think of the "Eighth World" game, that would be Equinox. Eclipse Phase is a Catalyst Labs game, but it's not tied to Shadowrun in any way that I'm aware of.
MJBurrage
May 20 2009, 02:54 PM
Magic & Metahumans in Space:
  • The Eighth World:
    • Equinox – from RedBrick, the current company doing Earthdawn.
    • BattleRun – from Catalyst Games
  • D&D in space:
    • Spelljammer – AD&D 2nd Ed. rules for Crystal Spheres (a fantasy version of space). (3.x conversion)
    • Dragonstar – d20 rules for fantasy worlds in a more realistic universe with magic powered space ships.
paws2sky
May 20 2009, 03:00 PM
Awesome, thanks!

-paws

(At least someone around here knows what they're talking about! biggrin.gif And its not me, apparently. spin.gif )
kzt
May 20 2009, 06:04 PM
QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ May 20 2009, 01:42 AM) *
That was a fun game.

Yes it was. frown.gif
The Jake
May 20 2009, 08:57 PM
Here's a thought -
If Ares is the world leader in space, and if Mars does indeed have its own biosphere due to the bioengineered matter, why wouldn't they use the Mars colony as a way of testing out their insect spirit experiments (ala LV-426)?

- J.
Stahlseele
May 20 2009, 09:10 PM
For the Exact same Reason the Colonist Outpost stopped responding.
Jhaiisiin
May 20 2009, 10:13 PM
Damnit, now I really want to run my group through an Alien scenario just to see how they'd fare.
The Jake
May 20 2009, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 20 2009, 09:10 PM) *
For the Exact same Reason the Colonist Outpost stopped responding.


The writeup in Street Magic re: the space outpost Ares has leaves me uncertain...

- J.
Heath Robinson
May 20 2009, 10:40 PM
QUOTE (The Jake @ May 20 2009, 09:57 PM) *
Here's a thought -
If Ares is the world leader in space, and if Mars does indeed have its own biosphere due to the bioengineered matter, why wouldn't they use the Mars colony as a way of testing out their insect spirit experiments (ala LV-426)?

- J.


The danger of Insect Spirit experiments is contamination. If Mars is going to be the place you plan on colonising then you don't want to have it infested with bugs - they don't have a backup. LV-426 was one colony of many, there is only one Mars.
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