I would think it is more along the lines of how any gang maintains its members. People join for some of the following reasons: They really like the idea of the gang (Go-Gangers would be a big one here), they need to join so that they don't get their butt kicked by the gang (This would likely be a big one for HWs, much like is is IRL), They think they can get power/protection/cheap drugs/cheap thrills/other from the gang (Once again, another big one IRL, some people see gangs as a quick path to power or money or a good way to get a kick out doing 'bad' things and having a gang to fall back on to help against law enforcement or other retaliation).

I figure that the HWs have a fairly strict "Once you're in, you stay in." motto like most gangs do, and those that decide to change their mind are made targets (500 nuyen to whoever brings me bobby's head covered in gas so I can light it on fire. Rest of the body optional.)

Looks like I was right about number 2.

On number 3 I never said anything about R or F on the gear. I just said Availability 20, which works exactly the same way as the normal rules hand availability 12. It makes no difference if it is 12, 12R, or 12F, they are all the same at chargen. So you can use Restricted gear to get a facility or a Beretta or anything you want that has an availability of 20 or lower.

As for number 4, the impression I got was that if we wanted a position of leadership, we needed a criminal SIN or 'Records on file: Renraku', and we got some particular level in the gang that he mentioned. If we don't have that I figure we can pick where we stand, anywhere from right below that to 'Hi guys, I want to be a purple dragon Halloweener'

@Chrysalis

No worries like I said about the criticism, I was looking for it I'll give your character a bit more of a looking over once I finish wrapping my own up and see if I can return the favor.

I don't really see why astral hazing has to be an express train to NPCdom. I suppose I should point out that her essence is low enough (Don't think I remembered to include this in character sheet) that she would be affecting a 0m radius around her (Or I guess something like half a meter if we are dealing in fractional essence for how far out the aura goes) so it isn't like I can use the aura offensively to go snuff an enemy mage (Unless I give them a nice big hug, but if she is that close, she'll just mince them usually, though it does make for a useful way to capture enemy mages alive). She also can't use the aura to protect allies from enemy mages either, so it really just amounts to a 'Magic? No thank you' ability. I figure that overall the loss of helpful magic is deemed worse than the safety from enemy magic (Thus why it is a disadvantage instead of an advantage) because an enemy mage is only likely to get off a few spells before 'Geek the mage first' kicks in and he is dead, and might not target you anyway, and you maybe would have been protected by counterspelling anyway.

So yeah, like I said last time, it makes you immune to magic, but it also makes you immune to magic. And as long as there is a mage in your party, it seems likely that being immune to helpful magic is likely to come up more often than being immune to enemy magic is.

And while authority figures often fit into the category of whom she is prejudaced against, they don't necessarily. There are many laws that 'make sense' like "not killing" for instance. She wouldn't be particularly mad at a cop for trying to bust her for killing someone. She wouldn't even be mad at a cop who says "You shouldn't kill because it is against the law." because there is some understanding that there is more reason behind the law itself. Now, just because she understands the reason behind the law against killing doesn't mean she will follow the law, but that there are perfectly good reasons for why killing is illegal. "Because it is against the law." is exactly a good argument from her, but this is a case where she 'lets it slide' so to speak, because saying that is like an abridged method of saying all the reasons that go into the law.

I know it is a little hard to explain the prejudice exactly (Which is why it seemed so vague at first, but it is actually fairly specific) and I'm afraid it is one of those 'I know what I mean' sort of things. I suppose you could think of it along the lines of "Would a computer/person without morals accept something as a reasonable argument?". "Because god wills it, because you'll go to hell, because I said so, because it is against the law, etc" would all generally be rejected because there is no reasoning behind it, there is nothing truly backing it up (Except in some cases of law, where the reasoning behind the law itself it sound, such as that you aren't allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded building because people would be injured, but the 'You can't mow your lawn on Sunday' law wouldn't seem to have any sort of good reason backing it up (Exception religion, which isn't accepted) and thus would count as a 'bad reasoning').

I hope I've been able to make what exactly I mean reasonably clear. I did base it on an 'uncommon' group, because while there are a good number of people who would fall into this group, the fact that it isn't something that is physically notable, and thus has to be noticed directly (And likely directed at her) makes it less common.

Another example (I'm hoping if I provide enough people will get an instinctive sort of feel for what I mean, without needing a precise definition). Pete the Priest spends his Sunday afternoons in busy parts of town preaching at random passer-bys, telling them that they must repent and believe in god and not have sex for pleasure and whatever else. Now, if she meats Pete on any day except Sunday, and he doesn't go into trying to tell her she should be doing something or not doing something, they could get along as well as a criminal sadist with slaves and a huge murder list and a priest can. If she walks by him on Sunday while he is preaching a people, she would get the classic 'highly annoyed vein' pulsing on her head, but wouldn't necessarily do anything to him (Unless she was already in a bad mood). But, if Pete decided to single her out and say "You! Yes you! Have you found the light of God? You must go and repent, and ask God for forgiveness for your sins so that you will not go to hell." And it is at that point that she would really have to try very hard to resist the urge to wrap a monowhip around his neck and slowly pull it tighter (Actually killing or not would vary based on reaction, personal mood, and so on).

I suppose the best way to think about it is that she doesn't like having anyone impose their belief on her. If they want to try and make a reasonable argument (You shouldn't do drugs because they will F you up, you shouldn't smoke because it will give you cancer) that is fine. It is when the arguments are along the lines of 'You shouldn't X because I don't think you should.' that she gets really ticked off.

For those with the criminal SINner, is anyone else formerly incarcerated at McNeil Island?

I haven't named a prison except that it was a Lone Star facility but that could be changed.

McNeil Island Correctional Facility could be a Renraku owned prison, hence why there are so many Halloweeners and recruits there.

Its a no questions asked kind of place, which is on the borders of extraterritoriality, so experimentation could abound.

Oh, hey, DO. Any thoughts on the costs/ability to get a real license for something?

So, just to give everyone an idea of who is who, I went through and did this:

DWC: Ork Heavy weapons/Close combat specialist
Chrysalis: Human Combat Specialist
SincereAgape: Elven Toxic Shaman.
Ravensoracle: Ork Hacker
Kanislatrans: Ork? Automatics Specialist.
Mister Juan: Elf Assassin
Karoline: Human Exotic Close Combat Sepcialist/Assassin/closest thing we have to a face.

We have very limited social abilities in our group (Which isn't necessarily so terrible since we're in a gang) with me being the highest at 6 dice ATM. We're also fairly limited on healing as I only noticed one person with any first aid skills. I'm currently considering switching my character to elf in order to get the points to be a bit better as a face (That 150 limit killed my stats ) but that will cause me to lose Dog for certain.

Is there any consensus on if having a better face would be a good thing? Is 6 dice enough to manage much, or should I try and get it a few points higher? I suppose I could adjust my equipment to grab some of that emotion reading software to give me +4, but I've always thought that software was a bit... twinky. It's six dice for a few hundred nuyen if I remember right, which is so far out of line with the rest of the game. Also, I figure that if I grab that, then there is no reason anyone we delt with that actually had intention to talk to us would also have it since it is so cheap, and would thus be a fairly pointless addition over all (Though it would still be very effective against people that don't have it.)

I added a stock of BTLs that I have manufactured so a face might work as a dealer, maybe give us a source of income. With all the specialization in combat a face may be able to difuse some situations before they come to blows, but I am not sure if we'll want to do that as a group.

I could switch clubs to negotiation and possibley pull two points to specialize in drug deals. Matto is pretty general to start with, it wouldnt hurt to give him a little more focus

Well, my character is already basically a socialite (kinda) anyway, so I certainly don't mind covering the face position, and six dice is better than nothing after all. I can get it up to 8 without too much trouble by dropping my edge to up my social skill group, or drop my edge and go to elf to give me two extra points of charisma no problem (And an extra point of agility, as if she doesn't already have enough)

that may be better. I could switch a pt of str to cha but even then Im still only 6 dice (8 to deal drugs) I could still switch the clubs to negotiation to help with an extra dice or too(can you do teamwork test on Negotiation? I know in our group we allow it but we are loose with the rules sometimes)

Cool things my character could do with a whip: This and This. Lets not forget some of these.

Man oh man, is this guy just awesome or what? (Yeah, I know it is the same guy)

Yeah, sitting on a nice 8 dice for all social skills ATM, which I figure is enough to get by on for now. I can do it either as human or elf, so I'll likely keep her human for now. No idea if teamwork could really work on social tests or not. I can see a fair number of arguments for and against it. I mean having someone at your shoulder saying 'Yeah.' every few seconds doesn't seem like it'd help much but having someone to pick up when one person can't find the right word can be helpful. Also allows for a bigger knowledge base in the conversation.

I think Ill switch it. It fits the character and may help out. makes him more of a Gangsta'. type and gives him a way to make some cash...which fits the backstory too.

I haven't had time to rework Dog's sheet, but I'm definitly going to tone down his combat ability. I'll try to turn him more into a sort of scout/package runner.

Hey guys, you're in a gang. You dont need to be able to do anything well.

Those of you that were incarcerated, how long was it? I'm dropping you in game in 2070.

I know one of you is going to start off in the pen. You'll be moved from McNeil to a Lone Star one...yes, there is an ingame reason for that. You'll find out in game lol


a real liscence, attached to a real SIN is roughly 20% the cost of the item.

And how does that work out in the case of a "Bondage Club" license? (Essentially a prostitution license).

Also, what is UCAS' legal age of consent?

Do you have a legal SIN?

And, no legal prostituition, although sex clubs arent outlawed as long as they're members participating and not house sponsored entertainment.

You'll also need alot of cash to start a biz legally...start small and work your way up is my recommendation


I'd say 18 is legal age

Yes (Been making a large number of modifications) and alright.

check my edit for more above

Yes, had planned for it to be small. Was basically going to be some related gear in the basement and personal sessions. I hadn't planned on it being a place where people just came in whenever they wanted. Think of it along the lines of an 'escort' service.


No sure what you mean by that distinction.

Oh, and did you ever say about if you would allow all those negative qualities (Based on my RP behind it) or should I adjust it?

Dog
2nd Draft

Metatype (30)


Attributes (150+0)


Qualities (-25)


Active Skills (146)


Knowledge Skills (15 free bp)


Contacts (6 free points)

Gear (14bp)


Ware

Just a suggestion for you on Dog. You might want to combine Gymnastics 4, Running 3, and Climbing 3 into athletics group 4. That would raise running and climbing by 1 and give you swimming at 4 (Dog paddle ) for two BP less than you are currently spending (You'll lose the spec).

Also, your essence should be 1.075 (Bio only counts half essence since cyber is higher) Not big, but thought I'd point it out.

You could also drop dodge if you wanted, because you can gymnastic dodge against ranged attacks, and use your CC group for melee attacks.

Just a couple little suggestions.

If anyone can spare a BP that can have cyber, would you please get a simrig. The external ones are outside our availability but implanted will fit. The reason I ask is because I want to have as many "channels" as possible for crating the next BTL. I am thinking with the next BTL I produce, I am going to try marketing the Wet Record. May be able to make some bigger money that way.

Edited the 2nd Draft.
Unless I've messed up something, I think Dog is gtg.

@DigitalOyabun
Would you allow the creation of a piece of gear? I'm mainly wanting to get some sort of rain poncho for Dog... something that would be 100% chemical proof (to survive all that acid rain) but that doesn't necessarly protect against anything else.

Updated sheet for "White Face" the shamanic character for the group. Few changes and notes about the statistics.
1. He is no longer a toxic shaman. He is now a follower of the Raven totem.
2. Attributes: Lowered Magic Statistic from 5 to 3. Increased Body from 2 to 3. Increased Edge from 2 to 3.
3. Skills have changed. Added Etiquette rating 2 and lowered Spellcasting from 5 to 4. Changed knowledge skills around.
4. Gear. Added a lined coat. Took away armored clothing and bought a cheaper commlink and operating system.
5. Spells: Lowered the amount of spells from 10 to 8. Changed a lot of spells the character originally had.
6. Contacts: Changed slave trader to Tamanous Organ Legger. Added a Renraku Researcher. Added to BP to contacts.
7. Qualities: Took away Flashbacks. Exchanged it with Gremlins. Added what his Signature is.

-In addition to being magical support for the group, he will function as (see below) to make money for the gang..

A.) Organ/cyberware trader - White Face would be a leader for Weener team who scavenge the sprawl for various weapons, dead bodies, etc looking for organs and cyberware which would be salvaged for sale. When the need arises, he would be a member of the gang who would kill and murder if he believed there was someone sporting new piece of Delta ware equipment.

-White Face will be starting off in McNeil Island Correctional Center, where he was recruited into the gang. Is it safe to assume he will be transported to the Lonestar facility as well?


Statistics.



Questions



Misc Information (Contacts and Fake SIN)

Would you, DO, allow microfacs, Arsenal p. 79 in your game?

please excuse my absence. I got the flu and has run me down. I'm better now after two bags of IV, but i'm going sleep a bit and post in the morning.

Letting something as small as the flu stop you from getting on dumpshock.

Glad to hear you're doing better now. That reminds me, I haven't posted my final update for Lash.



I think I may be off on something somewhere because I was still tweaking the sheet. If anyone notices something that doesn't add up, please say so.

I've looked for limitations on the number of qualities on a lifestyle, but cant find them (thinking its the last edition that had it), so you're good Karoline.

Neat, thanks

Our only real hold up at this point is my coming up with a name for the game, so I can get the OCC up

Halloweeners! doesn't work?

How about: Laughter is an s away from slaughter

JackO's CORPulent Tweakage 101

"trick or treat, you're dead meat"?

A bit more cleaned up.
A character "waiting in the wings incase of a drop out".

Basics:


Questions:


Character Stats:

OOC is going up tonight when I get home folks.....and then its soon to be game time!

FYI, I'm going to be hitting the road for a week and a half to go get married and take a short honeymoon, so it'll be the 2nd week of November (around the 8th or 9th) before I'm back to posting regularly.

That's cool as you're starting off in prison if my memory is correct.

Yep. Some poor bastard who's doing time for cheating on his taxes or embezzlement gets Pain as his cellmate.

He's not going to find out why they call it the pokey is he? EEWWWWWWW!!!

Since you're out for a bit I'll drop a tiny spoiler so you dont miss it. If you are in a Corp run prison you're transferred to a Lone Star run one under a mandate that all Prisoners are run through and cataloged under the Criminal SIN system (its a crash 'of '64 measure).....once there you are at the mercy of the Ancients, who have orchestrated the eradication war...coincidence? Dont worry I'll do a build up to it and this is more or less just a history lesson (which your PC will run through first hand)