Just for disarm? No, that was just my favorite thing to do with it AND a good way to make unarmed useful. If all the person can do is shoot a gun and you take the gun away from them how do they fight? If they have a second gun that's not hard to take away either and that's only if I didn't kill him with his own gun before he had a chance to take out the second one. I won't explain the background but I fought our groups Gunslinger adept and ended the fight by taking both of his revolvers (he didn't think a gunslinger needed unarmed) and then beating him to death with them. Sure I used blunt but it's still a melee skill. The point is Unarmed isn't exactly the smartest thing to specialize in UNLESS you turn the battlefield to your advantage.

Close the distance using cover and distractions and suddenly your the scariest thing on the battlefield as the enemy can't shoot you without shooting their friend and you use their friend as a shield to get closer to them. Take the enemies weapon and either use it against them or just throw it away and begin beating them at something they aren't prepped for. With very little optimization you can easily hit for 9 DV. But like all builds they have their uses.

Except its a 100 times better then a long burst(what gun are you using to get 20+ points of damage) as its counts against penetrating armor, meaning you deal Physical damage to targets which also means you can hurt vehicles.
With that rule, you could get your unarmed damage to somethink like 24P with out being an adept and atleast the same with AP-half by being an adept.
That ridiculous beyond belief, that's more damage then a full-auto assault cannon.

Except the gun is infinite times better because it is at range...

Whopedy do unarmed could get to a higher DV, it still sucks in so many other ways it is fine. A normal SMG with ex-explosive can get to 15DV, no fanciness, no special powers, just a SMG with good ammo. You can use weapons like the thunderstruck to blow the crap out of virtually anything. A mage can do 10+DV to an area, can do it unresisted to vehicles and it is really an issue that someone can punch a citymaster?

I'd rather balance things around the norms instead of worrying about the pornomancers. Right now with str/2 it isn't balanced around the norms.

Barrett Model 121
FA modification
Gas Vent System 3
Shock Pad Accessory

9P, -4AP, SA/FA, 4(6) Recoil.

Fire a full burst at a -3 recoil penalty off a 19 Dice pool, use APDS ammo....

9P + 5 Net Hits + 9P damage from full burst.... 23P -8AP.

100% legit by book rules and it'll only cost you 20,450 nuyen. Run it with long bursts and you'll sit at about 20P -8AP on average (assuming the target is unaware).

And require a reload after every pass.

Nothing like extra clips and extended clip can't do to help.
And even if you have to spend an action every pass to reload, it will be equivalent to melee (one attack per pass) but from distance.
Melee is weaker than ranged? Sure, it was supposed to be like that, it doesn't mean you can't build people who are monsters of melee attack.

Nothing like extra clips and extended clip can't do to help.
And even if you have to spend an action every pass to reload, it will be equivalent to melee (one attack per pass) but from distance.
Melee is weaker than ranged? Sure, it was supposed to be like that, it doesn't mean you can't build people who are monsters of melee attack.

You can't do extended clip since the firing mode mod takes 4 slots and the gas vent takes 2.

Since it's a sniper rifle the range increments are 0-150, 151-350 (-1), 351-800 (-3), 801-1500 (-6), but there's nothing keeping you from taking aim when firing full auto....

So you could do the following....

Take Aim (remove range penalties) - Simple Action
Long Burst (20P -8AP 8/14) - Simple Action - End Pass
Take Aim (remove range penalties) - Simple Action
Long Burst (20P -8AP 2/14) - Simple Action
Eject Clip - Free Action - End Pass
Insert Clip (14/14) - Simple Action
Long Burst (~18-20P -8AP 8/14) - Simple Action - End Pass

Wash, Rinse, Repeat...

Edit: It's really kind of sick to think about seeing something like this work....

It reminds me of the Bozar from Fallout 2. But being able to send 5 .50 cal APDS rounds downrange about 1500m with minimal penalty? Herrrrrgh.

Minor correction.... 6 APDS rounds downrange 1500m with -no- penalty.

*cough*
overmod
*cough*
put in the extended clip, and you can throw down 10 APDS rounds downrange 1500m with -no- pentalty

Gas Vent 3 (3 Recoil Compensation)
Heavy Barrel (1 Recoil Compensation)
Electronic Firing (1 Recoil Compensation)
Shock Pad (1 Recoil Compensation)
Auto-Adjusting Weight (2 Recoil Compensation)
6+ Strength (1 Recoil Compensation)
Total: 9 Recoil Compensation, full offsetting the full auto recoil penalty while standing.

Gas-vent systems can be built into machine pistols, SMGs,
assault rifles, and machine guns.

Not to nitpick, but by RAW



of Which said Ares Sniper Rifle is none

I'd rather balance things around the norms instead of worrying about the pornomancers. Right now with str/2 it isn't balanced around the norms.

Barrett Model 121
FA modification
Gas Vent System 3
Shock Pad Accessory

9P, -4AP, SA/FA, 4(6) Recoil.

Fire a full burst at a -3 recoil penalty off a 19 Dice pool (-2 if you have 6+ strength), use APDS ammo....

9P + 5 Net Hits + 9P damage from full burst.... 23P -8AP.

100% legit by book rules and it'll only cost you 20,450 nuyen. Run it with long bursts and you'll sit at about 20P -8AP on average (assuming the target is unaware).

Whopedy do unarmed could get to a higher DV, it still sucks in so many other ways it is fine. A normal SMG with ex-explosive can get to 15DV, no fanciness, no special powers, just a SMG with good ammo.

Good luck doing physical damage with that as only 6 points of it count for that.
Is it really balanced(or more like logical) in your eyes if you need a full auto gauss rifle to get anywhere nere the damage the adept can do with bare hands.

Barrett Model 121
FA modification
Gas Vent System 3
Shock Pad Accessory

9P, -4AP, SA/FA, 4(6) Recoil.

Fire a full burst at a -3 recoil penalty off a 19 Dice pool (-2 if you have 6+ strength), use APDS ammo....

9P + 5 Net Hits + 9P damage from full burst.... 23P -8AP.

100% legit by book rules and it'll only cost you 20,450 nuyen. Run it with long bursts and you'll sit at about 20P -8AP on average (assuming the target is unaware).

If you want to get a Citymaster, you should have packed AV rounds, not APDS.

EDIT: you got the math wrong. The total is -8, not -4. -4 from the rifle and -4 from the APDS. Even with APDS, it works.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

Supposedly using guns in close quarters is hard to do, even though most RL gun battles take place with the shooters less than 30 feet from each other. The idea of shooting in close quarters were that if you had a long weapon (rifle, assault rifle, shotgun, SMG)... it would be harder to bring about the barrel of the gun into proper location for firing.

Has anyone though about using weapon size (aka the concealment rating) of a weapon as a modifier to grappling/melee combat that involves someone trying to use a firearm in close combat? If you have a long weapon and are trying to bring it to bear on a target, but the target rushes you so he/she is in melee... things like that could make melee more viable, as well as make combat more exciting in terms of tactics.

Just a silly thought in my head.

That's why you give it melee hardening, take the clubs skill with a specialization for rifle butt, and smack them in the face with it.

I thought the buttstroke was an unarmed specialty.

I thought it was a Seduction Strategy/Specialty...

Yes, the counterpart to the Breaststroke.

Extended clip changes the magazine size from 14 to 17-18 (17.5) depending on how generous the GM feels. It's good since it allows you to do a full and long burst with each clip and if it's 18 rounds that lets you do 3 long bursts before reloading!

Since you're going batshit crazy with this, why not just upmod to a 100rnd Drum?

I mean, it's still never going to be as awesome as my High Velocity modded Ares Heavy MP Laser
It's completely recoilless!

Both of those ar dissallowed by the rules.

Can I specialize in "The Nut Shot"?

Same threshold, 2. You could try to argue that a 'silent stabbing' is threshold 3 (=='whispering').

Now that's just silly...

On the plus side, if you slit their throat from behind you are at least close enough to catch the falling body so it doesn't go "thud".

You can do that while using a gun, too. I remember Cobb doing this in Inception.

ANd a gun with internal silencer reduses the perception pool by 6 dice, so its much harder to notice