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One thing a former GM of mine liked to remind me of with Dikote is that it is an Industrial Process. It is made for beams and other large objects. If anything, there should be an additional multiplier tacked onto the price for have to work with something as small as a sword.


On the other hand, he also told me of a character he allowed once which spent an insane amount of money to have somebody take his flechette rounds, open them up, dikote every individual fragment, then repack them into the bullet to increase the damage code. But the cost was extremely high.

Another thing would be a non-monetary cost. How exactly are you going to find this blast furnace, schedule time to use it, or even pay someone who knows the process to do the process (and turn a blind eye)? There might be many months of waiting at any of such a facility. Cost doesn't always have to be entirely in you know

Edit: Whups, contributing to necrophilia of old threads. Sorry

Um, Glay, that's the entire point of street index, it's to represent the costs of such incidentals along with the proper bribes to not be remembered or recorded when it comes time to pick up said item.

However, I do think Glav has a point that things may take time and effort on the part of the character. It is a good way for a gm to limit things at character generation and in game.

Yknow, wierd thing. I never looked at the street index of Dikote until today. Man, with an index of 10 that's some expensive coating. Better to just get one of those fineblades from the Mercs sourcebook. Nearly as good.

Though when I think about it a bit more, nearly half the time I get some cool piece of tech, its because I've taken it from the fingers of someone who won't be burdened as much by material things anymore.

I think about 300 cm^2.

The fact that the katana blade alloy is not ruined by the furnace is beyond me, by the way...

I love when people nit pick about reality in a game where the discussed object is to be used to cut Earth Elementals and magic wielding Dragons in half.

Just an observation. Not a knock on the engineers out there who know far more than I on this topic.

Keep up the good work I enjoy your comments.

the inclusion of fantasy elements in fiction is no excuse for wild inaccuracy in those elements which are not fantastic. earth elementals and magic-wielding dragons follow rules which are, nominally, internally consistent; coating items with a diamond film should also be internally consistent.

mfb sounds like a lawyer in real life.

Actually, mfb makes a good point. While we shouldn't expect ultra-realism in our games, there are some issues that just don't make sense by what we know of physics/science in general.

Sorry Kage. You know I'll do anything for a laugh.

Shanshu, with all due respect, shut up.

~J

er, didn't mean to offend. just stating my POV as clearly as possible.

D'ye remember the flamewar that thread turned into? There are a few topics that go hand-in-hand with thread degeneration, including but not limited to politics, creationism, and magic in real life (the presence or lack thereof). They're better left untouched.

Other than that, no harm done

~J

Could someone tell me if I can coat a Fineblade. In the description, it states you get the same effect of Dikote, yet lacks intimation of whether one could coat it. I'm leaning towards no, based on that discription, but does anyone have a canon/workable answer?

Don

By canon you can, as nothing states you can't so the usual Dikote™ rules hold. GMs may declare differently, though.

~J

Though it's not canon, my personal viewpoint is that any weapon which already has a special edge on it (fineblade, monosword) can benefit from the hardness increase, but doesn't gain any damage bonuses (as the edges would have to be shielded from the Dikote or loose their special edge). You can't make a monowire edge sharper, for instance (all a Dikote could do would be to ruin such an edge, actually).

[edit]Looking at it, I'd give the +1 power, too, to account for the relative lack of friction on the edges of the weapon. [/edit]

I'm against it, but I remember a friend of mine in someone else's game had one. The description in FoF, which stated it was like dikote but without the cost, more or less stated for me that it can't be done, much like the monosword or monofilament.

Don

Well If this will help then your welcome if not oh well.

In SRM at character creation a Dikoted katana costs 6000 1000 for the sword and 5000 for the Dikoteing. So there for in game it would cost you 12000 + street index. That is as far as I am going to go if you have questions ask Bitrunner cause my info is based on what I have been told nothing more.

I should point out that while Dikoting as described in the book requires a plasma furnace and would simply destroy a katana by means of irrevocably ruining its temper, real life already has Dikoting that doesn't require superheating. Of course, it doesn't do the absurdly psychotic shit Dikoting in the game does, which brings it down to this:
If you like Dikoting and want to keep it canon, do so, and know that per canon, it also magically doesn't ruin temper.
If you like reality and dislike Crazy Stupid Shit®, Dikoting is only useful for increasing the durability of surfaces and does not require any of that silly plasma furnace stuff.
But there's no need to argue over it.

As for only coating the blade, I believe it's been clarly shown that the whole thing needs to be coated. Of course, it naturally follows that the diamond coating is quite flexible, magically active, and very angry. The anger accounts for the additional damage level and power rating.

As for specifics, the surface area of a katana blade, including the nakago (tang), would include the following in very rough figures:

ha, shinogi, kissaki (blade, rear blade, and tip): 28.5" length * 1.5" width * 2 sides = 85.5 in^2
mune (blade spine): 28.5" length * 0.3" thickness = 8.55 in^2
nakago (tang): 6" length * 0.3" width * 2 sides = 3.6 in^2
nakago (tang): 0.3" width * 1" length = 0.3 in^2
nakago (tang): 6" length * 1.25" (average) width * 2 sides = 15 in^2

Total surface area: 112.95 in^2
Metric conversion: 728.70822 cm^2
Final cost: 7,287.08¥

But let's just say 7,500¥ to keep costs realistically clean; I sure wouldn't mind padding an extra 212.92¥ on the top. With street index, 14,000¥. 10,000¥ at your GM's recommendation is quite a deal, and given that the effectiveness of this stuff is worth five times this quite easily, I suggest you quit your damn bitching and fork over the nuyen.