I want to get my katanas dikoted. He says it will cost me like 10,000 . It says in the rules that it's 1,000 for xxx square cm. The sticking point is this: I say I only need to have the cutting edge of my blades dikoted, thereby costing me a lot less than 10,000. He says I must dikote the whole steel portion of the blade there by costing me through my bung.

Advice?

First off, GMs are God, so never ever ever ever get into his face with other players around. It is a major no no.

What else is there well you could have listed the amount of cm you get for 1000 nuyen.

So let me actually get my books out. 100 square cm or 100,000 mm. Hmmm that equals 316.23 square mm. a blade of a katana is how large. roughly 1m or 1000mm. I personally believe you need three 'doses.'

Anyone want to check me on my math.

Dikote is described as giving more structural strength and resilience, and being almost frictionless. Nothing there to say it makes the edge of a blade sharper...

Since it makes the blade harder and almost frictionless, and the latter would definitely lower the resistance enormously when cutting something, the whole thing would have to be coated. (otherwise, the uncoated parts still generate friction and slow the cut)

Although it definitely looks like he's overcharging you some - that's almost enough for a sword 100cm long and 5cm wide... I think a katana could probably be coated with half of that, maybe less. (Haven't seen one up close in a while, but I don't think most were even 3cm wide at the widest point.)

Although - considering the boost it gives, dikote is cheap as dirt. I would probably just let it go.

Looking at the rules in M&M pg. 111, I would have to agree with your GM.

The way my group has always played Dikotetm is to have to coat the entire metal portion if for no other reason than we think that is what the game designers intended as a game balance. also as a in-game reason, Dikote is applied using plasma to bond the film to the surface and this will ruin the temper( ) of the weapon in question.
I know it's not the answer you wanted.
Sorry.

As Sidhartha pointed out, the Dikoting process involves putting the weapon into a blast furnace. Exactly how you intend to just put the cutting edge into a blast furnace is beyond me.

But to be fair-- IIRC, a katana blade is about 3cm by 1 m. That makes for 3,000 sq cm per side, or 6,000 sq. cm. At 1000 per 100 sq. cm, that makes for a cost of 60,000 , before Street Index is applied. If I were you, I'd take him up on that offer of 10K-- it's quite a bargain.

252 Posted on Feb 28 2004, 04:28 AM
First off, GMs are God, so never ever ever ever get into his face with other players around. It is a major no no.


er..... I argue with my gm all the time. keeps him on his toes & makes me remember the rules better.


before anyone brings up that i'm partnered to my gm, I have argued with EVERY gm for the same reason.

if i want clarification, I am going to get it.

If i think you've changed the rules on me, I'm going to let you have bot barrels.

If i think you're being grossly unfair to players, believe me, I'll let you know about it.

And if i think your challenges are too soft, you'll know about it before the first npc is killed.


Yes, the gm is the gm is the gm is god. BUT... they are ALSO human. and whether we like to admit it or not, humans make mistakes. To accept that, and and to accept the query of your players will make you a better gm.

I honestly don't give a damn if I am wrong when i question my gm. If i am, I have learned something, and s/he has proven to myself, the group and the gm's self that they know what they are doing. If I am right, then I have saved a big veer off the path, and potentially months of wasted gaming before the gm pulls up and says 'okay guys, you remember how we did x-situation? i fucked up. it no longer counts. fix your sheets.' and we all know how much we love that...


That said, and to go back onto topic - what I have read about dikoting infers that the process involves total immersion or 'dipping' of the part to be dikoted.

And I remember something about dikoting being jinglish for diamond coating or something.

anyway, my char, with her level 2 connected, dikoted her troll-sized katana for about 10K.

hope that helps a bit.

I'll measure my rl katanna.

100cm x 4 cm x .5 cm

100 * 4=400
400 * 2=800
100 *.5=50
800 + 50 = 850
850/100=8.5 round to 9 due to game mechanics
9 * 1000 = 9000

Is this at CharGen or an existing character?
If Chargen, it's 1000 diff, big deal.
If it's an existing, you're getting a deal.

Either "both barrels" or a drone with a shotgun...dunno which.

-Siege

Oh, I get it now. I thought it was some kind of british slang or something.

I don't argue with my GM, but he is really inexperienced and he doesn't understand alot of the SR world so we work together to understand the rules and portray the flavor the other players are looking for.

Gee thanks, maybe I should have entitled this thread: "Please come help me with my interpersonal relationship skills regarding GM/Player conduct in the context of RPG etiquette." Cause that was my hidden intent all along.

Jesus Christ get off it already.

You realize your acting like you need the advice, right?

noting the people saying 'oppositional game'.... whatever the hell that means.

it sounds like if you don't game in australia that the gm holds you by the goulies and twists until you do his/her bidding.

here in australia we believe in equality in gaming. you know, that the players should be able to talk to the gm. I know it's a foreign concept to you but say it slowly with me 'ee-kwal--it-ee'. it's okay, i didn't mean to scare you off. I know some people like being dominated. That's what aussies use 'bondage nights' for.

Gaming isn't about domination. it's about people getting together and having fun.

And here in australia if you don't agree on the house rules for monopoly you will get people arguing their points about it. and the same goes for rpg.

I'm sorry if I think that giving in to a gm without any recourse (never mind if you're right, the gm is always right anyway so you shan't speak up or you shal be ostracised you naught naughty player) is pretty much letting yourself be bullied.

If you don't like the way i play, don't play with me. Problem solved.

oh, and a big HI to the grammar/spelling nazis out there. this isn't a thesis, I'm not being paid to write this. if you haven't got anything better to do than pick on a typo then what does that say about how much time you have on your hands?

Don't be dense. I'm thankful for the information, however, I think the comments about "this is how you should treat your GM you naughty, naughty boy" are:

a.) Uneeded
b.) Implied "confrontations" are unfounded
c.) Out of place in a topic such as this
d.) hardly your buisness
e.) no one asked you
f.) how you "think" we run our game is not fodder for your inane comments

Solstice, if you can get your swords dikoted legally, using a SIN and other proper channels, then I agree with your 1000 nuyen estimate. However, otherwise, IMO, you'll need to pay 10000 nuyen - street index and all that. No, you can't just coat the cutting edges. See Nikoli's measurements of his katana earlier in the thread.

Thanks Crazy,

I have a SIN but I'll probably just go with the 10,000 since it is pretty powerful. That just means it will take longer for me to get my glider.

This board is far from dense. Chill out. No need to jump on everyone any time they may have a suggestion how you could handle a situation better. I've seen you do this a couple of times now. Get a punching bag or something. No need to bring the animosity here.

Looks like Aidley joined Solstice on my list.

yay for the witch hunters!

More like the a....

must.... not.... insult faceless....

That gives me an idea for the wish list... Allow the thread creator to close a thread

But there have been several that ask a quick question that get's answered in like 1 or 2 posts without much opening to broader discussion.

And they die a natural death on their own without originator control or moderation.

-Siege

Like I said, it's a thought. Maybe the originator could mark a flag that the topic is covered and the admins can close when they wish.

For some of these threads, that's a LONG time, actually.