Now I know that this is plausible.

However here is the question. Can you dispell something on a sustaining foci from being astrally projected.

Yes making the PCs feel they are perfectly secure, and then well. It is always funny, to watch my players die.

As a note I have declared war on my inferior players, those that want to die. Have fun, and remember "Live and Learn, Die and Forget, unless you are an expert system."

Active foci are dual natured, so you can dispell the enchantments in them from the astral.

[edit]well, it isn't dispelling, it is more of "shattering the magical side of the focus" and uses astral combat rules

The magician attempting the dispel has to be on the same plane (astral or physical) as the spell itself (SR3.184, "Dispelling", 2nd sentence).

You can, however, attack an active sustaining focus.

See This Topic from last week for more info.

TheScamp, I read the 2nd sentence to mean you have to be on the same plane as the spell, but I see how you could read it to mean that you have to be on the same plane as the target. Very interesting.

Alright next question about astral and dual naturedness, and noticing things.

Person is trying to make themselves invisible on the astral. Is there anyway.

If you say masking are you sure. To me that seems to be a disguise type thing, you look different from what you are. Like it masks you. Not you are invisible.

As much help as possible, if you can.

Nope, can't be invisible on the astral. One option is to mask yourself to look mundane and astrally move across the room as if you were in a physical body. Legs striding and arms swinging. A physical entity won't see you, and an astral entity has to look closely to realize there is no physical body there.

The alternative is to stealth around on the astral plane, hiding behind opaque things like walls, ceilings, and floors; or hiding your astral form in the midst of dozens of living bodies in some crowd.

Casting invisibility, then using masking to hide the spell aura should make you invisible from all sight... The book seems fairly clear that invisibility makes you invisible on the astral but that the spell aura gives one away (regardless of how one plays it).

That is one impressive way to read the line:

So I guess that is truly a suicide mission for even that NPC, ohhh well. It still will be fun.

If it's a suicide mission, have you considered having your NPC send a spirit or elemental or the like to do it? Expendable underlings are just made for suicide missions...

What you say doesn't actually disagree with what you quoted. Yes, nonliving things have no aura, but living things DO have auras and that's what you see from the astral.

You see them and their aura (this is explicit in the section quoted by Herald).

I will also mention that you cannot mask an aura into a non-state. The closest you can get is to make your aura look like that of an unawakened creature. Any competent astral security would investigate a roaming mundane aura with no physical component. Which means you still have to use stealthy choices of where to go, even when invisible and masked, to avoid astral detection.

I think it does, but you could always quote it and prove me wrong.

Besides, it's silly the way your making it seem. "You see an aura and then the person gets shot, suddenly the aura is gone and a dead body appears." Sorry, I don't buy it. Auras are around magical items and living beings, they don't override them.

Override what? The faded grey appearance of nonliving, nonmagical things?

I don't understand what you think is supposed to be "underneath" the aura. The aura is what you look like on the astral, that's all. It's not a set of astral technicolor underwear that you wear over your real body

My take is that it depends on what you consider Normal Vision (What Invisibility affects), what you consider Physical Vision (what Astral perception is not affected by), and what you consider the "normal human [sense] of sight" (the sense available to an astral form).

If you consider the "normal human [sense] of sight" to be synonimpus with Normal Vision, and do not consider Normal Vision to be Physical Vision, then yes, invisibility can fool astrally projecting characters.

If you consider Normal Vision to be Physical Vision then it won't work.

If you say that when Invisibility to Normal Vision is caused by a Physical spell then it is messing with Physical Vision, and when Invisibility is caused by a manna spell it is not messing with Physical Vision, then Invisibility (but not improved invisibility) effects can work on the astral. (if you also consider the "normal human [sense] of sight" to be Normal Vision, that is)

You still need to deal with the spell, however, which has an aura of its own. One way to do it would be to make an area version of the Invisibility spell that makes itself invisible too.

....... Are you seriously claiming that astral perception qualifies as normal vision?

Not exactly, I'm just saying that the "normal human [sense] of sight" that astral forms have may be similar enough to Normal Vision that similar spells can affect it. Even if they aren't similar enough; I see no reason that some form of psychic invisibility spell could not be created that makes you invisible to astral forms (if cast on the astral)

I don't have a page reference handy, but in the BBB in the magic section pertaining to projecting/astral senses it states in the example that everything physical was visible, in fact goes into detail on how street signs were jumbled(since you cannot read in the astral) So I imagine you can see physical things in the astral, now if Invisibility is a Physical spell, it would alter things being viewed from the Physical plane, but Astral plane is not affected. It would have to be a dual natured or Mana only spell to affect the astral sight. meaning someone who has Physical Invisibility cast on them is indeed invisible to all physical viewers who cannot succeed in their test. Astral viewers do not need to test since the effects of a physical invisibility spell cannot affect the astral.


At least that's how I see it. I'll get the page ref when I go home.