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V-Origin
So I was browsing through my runner's companion last night and I came across the deformity negative quality.

Now I am wondering.. for those GMs out there.. if you are creating a male with this trait, would you allow him to possess an oversized manhood or even two oversized manhoods (one on top of another) and call it a deformity negative quality?

Or for a female with this trait, would you allow her to possess three or four oversized breasts (aka Running Man movie) and call it a deformity negative quality?

I am thinking of creating a porn star character, you see.

Appreciate any responses here.
Machiavelli
I would allow it as long as it is that big, that it cannot be hidden. But because it should be a flaw, not an advantage, i would it make sure that it wouldn´t be used as one. Besides that, i think you talk about "Total Recall", not Running Man. I remember a tree-set of titties when i see them.^^
V-Origin
QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Aug 17 2010, 03:22 PM) *
I would allow it as long as it is that big, that it cannot be hidden. But because it should be a flaw, not an advantage, i would it make sure that it wouldn´t be used as one. Besides that, i think you talk about "Total Recall", not Running Man. I remember a tree-set of titties when i see them.^^


But if it is a guy, surely it can be hidden. Surely there might be a bulge in the pants, but it is still hidden.
Machiavelli
make it bigger^^
Mooncrow
QUOTE (pattyhulez @ Aug 17 2010, 01:30 AM) *
But if it is a guy, surely it can be hidden. Surely there might be a bulge in the pants, but it is still hidden.


Then it doesn't qualify for a negative quality.
Saint Sithney
So long as the mechanical aspects of the Quality (negative social dice) remain in play, and your interpretation of the deformity adds more to the fun than it detracts, then I can't imagine there being a problem.

If you're just looking to get a giant wangus and don't particularly care about the BP or whatever, then just write on your character sheet, "He has all of the penises. All of them." and that's problem solved. No need to get rules and such involved.
Yerameyahu
Sigh.
V-Origin
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Aug 17 2010, 03:35 PM) *
So long as the mechanical aspects of the Quality (negative social dice) remain in play, and your interpretation of the deformity adds more to the fun than it detracts, then I can't imagine there being a problem.

If you're just looking to get a giant wangus and don't particularly care about the BP or whatever, then just write on your character sheet, "He has all of the penises. All of them." and that's problem solved. No need to get rules and such involved.


Well the BP is everything. But I am hoping to get something out of nothing, I suppose.
Glyph
I did a changeling once and kind of added cat ears to her afterwards - just for flavor. But if a player wanted points for it, I would probably give them 5 points if it was something that couldn't be hidden, and which made the character conspicuous. I mean, you can get 5 points for having anime-style hair, or freaky eyes, or a bunny tail, so I don't see how this would be that different. To be honest, the 5-point deformity (Picasso face) should really be a 10-point disadvantage. Penalties to social skills and penalties to perception? Pretty harsh.
Saint Sithney
Well, the social penalties don't matter over the matrix, and neither do the perception penalties.
It's basically free points for a Technomancer.
V-Origin
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Aug 17 2010, 06:28 PM) *
Well, the social penalties don't matter over the matrix, and neither do the perception penalties.
It's basically free points for a Technomancer.

actually i am creating a changeling character
Machiavelli
And whats his name? "Sir-Dick-a-lot"?^^
Manunancy
I see a serious flaw in the concept : to qualify for the 'difformity' penalty - which implies something that can't be disguised without major effort, if at all, the characters 'arguments' need to be of a size that basically make him useless to the porn industry beyond scenery and maybe some very specialized market. Which isn't exactly the road to stardom.

If you're hung like an elephant in the litteral meaning of the term, well, you'll have a hard time screwing something smaller than an elephant...
Machiavelli
Baaaah....for gods sake, someone should close the topic. biggrin.gif
CanRay
QUOTE (Manunancy @ Aug 17 2010, 12:39 PM) *
If you're hung like an elephant in the litteral meaning of the term, well, you'll have a hard time screwing something smaller than an elephant...

Troll Size Queens?
Critias
Sometimes my soul hurts.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 17 2010, 11:29 AM) *
Sometimes my soul hurts.


Only Sometimes? I am still having problems sanitizing my brain from the corruption of this topic... wobble.gif
V-Origin
QUOTE (Manunancy @ Aug 18 2010, 04:39 AM) *
I see a serious flaw in the concept : to qualify for the 'difformity' penalty - which implies something that can't be disguised without major effort, if at all, the characters 'arguments' need to be of a size that basically make him useless to the porn industry beyond scenery and maybe some very specialized market. Which isn't exactly the road to stardom.

If you're hung like an elephant in the litteral meaning of the term, well, you'll have a hard time screwing something smaller than an elephant...


Well actually it is doubly hung. That changeling guy has two manhoods. One atop of another. I got that idea from someone who said he watched a porn actor with two manhood which can simultaneously pleasure both the anus and vagina at the same time.

So two gigantic manhoods on one guy. Surely that would qualify me for 5 bp as least.

BTw, that deformity trait didn't say anything about the deformity having to be disguised WITH major effort in order for BP to be conferred.

Mooncrow
Playing along with this absurdity a bit more, on a re-read through the description, the deformity quality is actually a fairly specific trait. It is either:

1. Picasso Face, 5 BP, -2 dice modifier to perception or
2. Quasimodo, 25 BP, -1 dice modifier to physical active tests

If you really want to do this by RAW, go for Penile Implants from Augmentation; Deformity isn't going to do what you're looking for.
Critias
QUOTE (pattyhulez @ Aug 17 2010, 10:27 PM) *
So two gigantic manhoods on one guy. Surely that would qualify me for 5 bp as least.

Go ask your GM, not us. Your mind's obviously made up, so go make the pitch to the guy running your game and see what he thinks.
Glyph
Honestly, if someone pitched an idea like that to me, I would be cautious of two things:

1) Is it actually a flaw? SURGE flaws are generally obvious and difficult to hide, and often offer other disadvantages. Something that can be hidden by baggy pants, and that a lot of people would consider a positive trait, would not fit here.

2) Is this something that will actually be roleplayed decently, or will it lead to someone making a bunch of dick jokes followed by a Beavis & Butthead laugh? Something like that can be done seriously, and well, but is more often going to either be an annoying recurring joke, or something that will make the other players uncomfortable in the same manner as nympho catgirls and lesbian elven strippers.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 17 2010, 10:01 PM) *
Only Sometimes? I am still having problems sanitizing my brain from the corruption of this topic... wobble.gif


Just this topic? Damn. And here I thought multi-tits and hemipenese (both one above the other, and both side by side) was normal.

Hell, I've encountered a 4x herm.

Chew on that.
KCKitsune
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 17 2010, 10:01 PM) *
Only Sometimes? I am still having problems sanitizing my brain from the corruption of this topic... wobble.gif

Tymeaus... what you need is the Ol' KCKitsune Special Brain Bleach! For a one time low low payment of 9999.99 nuyen.gif!

Special Brain Bleach is mostly guaranteed to remove any unwanted mental images and to heal any mental scarring that might have occurred because of... less savory and intelligent forum topics!
CanRay
The only problem with using this as an "Advantage" is Rule 34. Which gets even worse when you consider Cybernetics, Bioware, and SURGE.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to figure out how my character is going to be able to afford a Catgirl Harem.
Doc Chase
Based on this and other topics recently, I can't tell if it's a serious query or a troll running a long con.

Negative Qualities are just that - Negative. Were I the GM reviewing this, I'd do the following for wasting my time:

-2 Body due to insufficient bloodflow when aroused
-2 Agility due to junk in the way
'Critter Spook'-ish quality where the character would be targeted first in combat by all opponents - Metas take the bulge to mean he's poorly concealing firearms, critters go for the distended weak spot, and technological sensors read it as the warmest part of the body and thereby a better shot than center mass
-2 to Social Opposed rolls unless you're negotiating with a specific subset of metahumanity for a specific service. I'll leave it to the assembly to figure out what those would be. nyahnyah.gif

All for the low, low price of 10BP.
Summerstorm
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 18 2010, 04:26 PM) *
'Critter Spook'-ish quality where the character would be targeted first in combat by all opponents - Metas take the bulge to mean he's poorly concealing firearms, critters go for the distended weak spot, and technological sensors read it as the warmest part of the body and thereby a better shot than center mass


GOD... as i read this i couldn't stop laughing. I had the mental image of an intense firefight (drones/spirits) and one guy in an extremely tight chameleonsuit with his HUGE junk jumps in. And all drones and spirits just turn to him... look at each other, turn to him again and begin shooting lighting, fireballs, gel-rounds into his groin... not even stopping when he is down.
Doc Chase
QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Aug 18 2010, 03:34 PM) *
GOD... as i read this i couldn't stop laughing. I had the mental image of an intense firefight (drones/spirits) and one guy in an extremely tight chameleonsuit with his HUGE junk jumps in. And all drones and spirits just turn to him... look at each other, turn to him again and begin shooting lighting, fireballs, gel-rounds into his groin... not even stopping when he is down.


That is exactly the visual I want to create. biggrin.gif
Draco18s
You people are awful. <3
Squiddy Attack
Doc Chase has it right, here. biggrin.gif


Though, characters like this one do provide an important service... Really bad porn footage for you to edit your teammates' faces onto if the need arises. ;P
TommyTwoToes
QUOTE (Squiddy Attack @ Aug 18 2010, 11:14 AM) *
Doc Chase has it right, here. biggrin.gif


Though, characters like this one do provide an important service... Really bad porn footage for you to edit your teammates' faces onto if the need arises. ;P

On glitches he could trip over himself.
He would need custom clothing, welcome to paying extra, oh and it needs to be designed just for you, since there is no market for it.
Doc Chase
QUOTE (TommyTwoToes @ Aug 18 2010, 04:28 PM) *
On glitches he could trip over himself.
He would need custom clothing, welcome to paying extra, oh and it needs to be designed just for you, since there is no market for it.


Call it 20% - all the drawbacks of having the metabolism-boosting bioware with none of the advantages.
Yerameyahu
Anyway, just go read the 'huge breasts' thread from last month. Everything here was basically covered there. Ugh.

I swear, pattyhulez, you're making all the threads just to mess with people. smile.gif
Mesh
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 12:31 PM) *
Anyway, just go read the 'huge breasts' thread from last month. Everything here was basically covered there. Ugh.

I swear, pattyhulez, you're making all the threads just to mess with people. smile.gif

Even trolls can start threads wink.gif

Mesh
Yerameyahu
I think that's what I said. smile.gif
Badmoodguy88
Pattyhulez go ahead and add deformity (enormous penis) to the list of things you are no longer allowed to do in shadowrun. You deserve to be the one who adds it.

Though really there hast to be a whole slew of surge powers that could be taken in penile form, they are just all obscene. embarrassed.gif facelick.gif

Really the list could go on and on and on. silly.gif
Saint Sithney
Prehensile geneTails?
CanRay
"It is quite large, but does have a tendency to list to the port and scare small children..." - Jack Sparrow.

"CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Badmoodguy88
QUOTE
Prehensile geneTails?

That is the obvious one.
Shall I list them?
Corrosive "Spit"
Glamour, nasty vibe, critter spook, and astral hazing, all emanating from your "mojo".
Elongated "Limbs"
Frog "Tongue"
All the tails adaptions including Thagomizer
Marsupial Pouch, really all metahumans already have one of these and females get an extra one.
Natural Venom
Shiva "Arms"
Adiposis can be replaced by anything that slows the character and encumbers them in the same way.
Cyclopean Eye or Third Eye.
Stubby "Arms"
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 17 2010, 09:48 PM) *
Just this topic? Damn. And here I thought multi-tits and hemipenese (both one above the other, and both side by side) was normal.

Hell, I've encountered a 4x herm.

Chew on that.



Ouch... WOW... wobble.gif
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Aug 17 2010, 11:11 PM) *
Tymeaus... what you need is the Ol' KCKitsune Special Brain Bleach! For a one time low low payment of 9999.99 nuyen.gif!

Special Brain Bleach is mostly guaranteed to remove any unwanted mental images and to heal any mental scarring that might have occurred because of... less savory and intelligent forum topics!


Unfortunately I am out of Nuyen currently... Waiting for my Johnson to get back with me for a Run I had in mind... First 10,000 Nuyen I acquire I will place my order... smokin.gif
Draco18s
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 18 2010, 07:39 PM) *
Ouch... WOW... :wobble


Possibly squicky:
[ Spoiler ]


Furries can be quite creative with their...creations.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 18 2010, 07:39 PM) *
Ouch... WOW... :wobble


Possibly squicky:
[ Spoiler ]


Furries can be quite creative with their...creations.
Badmoodguy88
QUOTE
[ Spoiler ]

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Chocolate milk? facelick.gif Delicious!

Seriously though a lot of these odd surge physical characteristics that are likely to give no in game social modifiers should probably be free because they have no game effect or at least the effect balences out. Some people like it some people hate it.

Or the odd appearance cost 5 bp because they are taking the place of some serious biosculpting, and possibly penile implant or even a sex change.
Critias
QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Aug 18 2010, 07:47 PM) *
Seriously though a lot of these odd surge physical characteristics that are likely to give no in game social modifiers should probably be free because they have no game effect or at least the effect balences out. Some people like it some people hate it.

Or the odd appearance cost 5 bp because they are taking the place of some serious biosculpting, and possibly penile implant or even a sex change.

One could certainly argue that society's lightened up quite a bit about this sort of thing over the next 60+ years of Shadowrun universe, with pointed ears, Ork and Troll skin, etc, etc...but it seems to me like outright weird shit is still going to be outright weird shit, to more people than not.

The capacity that human beings in everyday society show for being obviously and visibly uncomfortable around, for instance, a burn victim who is otherwise a totally normal human being...well...let's just say I don't have a whole lot of faith in mainstream culture's ability to suddenly overlook double penis elephantitis, quad-breast girl, or a guy with a dong growing out of his forehead like a unicorn.
Yerameyahu
I have faith in their ability to pretend those people don't exist/aren't people, though. biggrin.gif
CanRay
QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 18 2010, 10:39 PM) *
One could certainly argue that society's lightened up quite a bit about this sort of thing over the next 60+ years of Shadowrun universe, with pointed ears, Ork and Troll skin, etc, etc...but it seems to me like outright weird shit is still going to be outright weird shit, to more people than not.

The capacity that human beings in everyday society show for being obviously and visibly uncomfortable around, for instance, a burn victim who is otherwise a totally normal human being...well...let's just say I don't have a whole lot of faith in mainstream culture's ability to suddenly overlook double penis elephantitis, quad-breast girl, or a guy with a dong growing out of his forehead like a unicorn.

*Cough*Humanis Policlub*Cough*Sons of Sauron*Cough*
darthmord
QUOTE (Critias @ Aug 17 2010, 01:29 PM) *
Sometimes my soul hurts.


Get some more 'ware. The pain will ease. cyber.gif
Draco18s
QUOTE (darthmord @ Aug 19 2010, 09:45 AM) *
Get some more 'ware. The pain will ease. cyber.gif


*Nom nom nom nom*
killfr3nzy
QUOTE (Mooncrow @ Aug 18 2010, 10:38 AM) *
1. Picasso Face, 5 BP, -2 dice modifier to perception or
2. Quasimodo, 25 BP, -1 dice modifier to physical active tests


Hell, I'd say having two giants wangs would compromise my physical ability tests.
Mäx
QUOTE (Glyph @ Aug 18 2010, 05:26 AM) *
1) Is it actually a flaw? SURGE flaws are generally obvious and difficult to hide, and often offer other disadvantages.

I dont know, you can pretty easily hide all of the hair ones, just cut your hair to short and fear a hat or cut it away completdly.
Eye color one is easily hided with contact lenses.
And so on...
editet to fix a typo.
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