QUOTE (Runner Smurf @ Aug 21 2010, 12:31 AM)
Also, as a GM, I'd have to come down hard against the biofiber bat. Arsenal is pretty clear that the stuff is grown in large sheets, is difficult to keep alive and is highly sensitive to pollution.
Honestly, I don't think I'd even have one a lot of the time. Ain't exactly versatile. although, yeah I could hit someone with it... It would tend to make any passing Mage/Spirit paranoid, and extra attention from security is not what I need. The idea only came about because I wanted to add a Biofiber layer to an armoured suit to annoy Mages, then I thought 'Hey, what happens if I punch
an Astral Form' and then
I thought 'Hey, what easy-to-carry weapon could I carry around yet fit some mold into?'. Then I mainly posted it for the thought of the advertising. "The Pevert-Popper 3,000 - smack any peeping tom-mage into unconsciousness!!"
But it should be easy enough - large sheets can be cut/rolled up, kept in a secure chamber in the center of the bat/inner layer of armour/wherever, and pollution? Okay, we do the same things that Drones and Corps with it in the walls do - whether that's a miniature respirator or dedicated oxygen supply, I don't know.
QUOTE (Runner Smurf @ Aug 21 2010, 12:31 AM)
As for the ghoul-mashing elevator, I don't think it would work. They don't pass through the barrier because they are unconscious and no longer astrally active - they are disrupted because they passed through the barrier while being . Being rendered unconscious is the effect of disruption.
Of course, you might argue that a dual-natured entity isn't mentioned in the rules specifically. I'd categorize them as a "character" and apply those rules. Your mileage may vary, and give dual-natured entities another effect. I'd recommend against a lethal interpretation, as it would lead to all sorts of very messy problems, and make a lot of dual-natured critters (like dragons) waaaaaaay too easy to trap and kill.
They only things that stop you being Dual-Natured is losing all your magic, or death. Of course, some creatures can't lose all their magic without dieing, like Vampires (I think). Now, I could possibly see you suffering a far-less-pleasant 'La petite mort' and die for a moment, prompting either a mere full Stun track or the immediate need for some medical attention. As for not being D-N'd while unconscious, how does that work at all? Do mages become Mundane when they sleep? If they did, they wouldn't wake up as a Mage.
And Dragons easy to kill? Pff, not at all. The elevator example is kinda bad - how many elevators would a Dragon travel in, and there's not many similar situations.
But to use it - what paranoid (as all Dragons are) willingly goes somewhere without having his route checked by a loyal minion (say, a F12 scout Spirit). And if he did, or was forced to, his dice pool is far larger than any humans. Hell maybe they know some Metamagic '+X to destroy Wards'.
And if he couldn't break it on his first go, he'd whistle up some Bound Spirits and tell them to get to work while he did the same - destroy the barrier, stop the elevator, what have you. If it was a falling elevator, he'd be pinned between what was - to him - two solid walls, and take damage - which would have to get past his fairly large dice pool. But he wouldn't 'chunky salsa' until he was dead, which means more tests until something gives - probably the same as the original test, as wound/distraction penalties might be increased by velocity/increased weight bonus'.
Heh, he might end up winded, resting on top of the groaning Ward, with the top of the elevator sitting on his back.
A Ghoul would, needless to say, die a lot easier. There might still be more tests (to him, the barrier is physical, so you do what anyone does when they hit the ground hard - bounce, and hit again. Knowledge-able allies might try and push/pull him through while he seemingly levitates up through the elevator, and then another test with the elevator at his back before squishing occurs), although since he can't actually be forced to pass through the barrier and thus be knocked out until the roof hits him, I won't need to work out what happens when unconscious people make concentration tests until he should have worked out that using his Edge is a good idea.
And that's the last barrier to instant death - burning Edge. The only reason I needed it was for the 'smack-with-Biofiber' idea.
EDIT: Urgh, I'm an idiot. Hitting an Astral Form with Biofiber likely does fuck-all if the Biofiber loses. Both the AF and Biofiber treat each other as solid objects, and the latter's a barrier aka WALL, so unless the other is also a barrier, the Biofiber bounces off, just like any other physical-bat on a physical person.