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Johnny B. Good
4 hits on an assensing test identifies a TM.

Edit: As will a signal being broadcast from his head without the presence of any cyberware.
WyldKnight
Ya but they can suppress the signal and I thought it was 5 hits? I don't have my books so I can't check.
crash2029
I have some nonstandard builds. Right now I am playing a Jack of all trades character. Basically he has a ton of skills, high edge, and high intuition and logic. From what I can tell an non-specialized character is unusual. The previous character I played was a vampire former used car salesman. He was fun. For a while I ran an adept hacker.

When it comes to characters I have made but not gotten the chance to play I have a few interesting ones. In response to a thread awhile back I made a D&D style paladin. He was an adept Templar who got kicked out of the order for alcoholism. He became a runner because he had nowhere else to turn. I meant him to be a semi-tragic figure who has to fight with his honor and conscience on a daily basis in the shadows.

Another character I created was a Robocop inspired samurai. He was a motorcycle cop who got into a bad accident. He was put into a program to see if large-scale cyber replacement would improve efficiency. It did, sort of. The program was scrapped quickly. He was fired after he gave information to runners to help break up a human trafficking ring. Of course he now owes Lonestar for the cost of his enhancements. I gave him bulk modded obvious arms, legs, and torso replacements. I also game him a tricked out helmet. I skipped of reaction enhancements because Robocop was really slow in the movie.

I made a Sasquatch adept PI some time ago. His mate was stolen from him in the tribal lands where he lived. He moved to the city in order to find her. To make money he worked as a PI. I admit he was an odd character.

Once I created an AI face who evolved from a virtual person program. The virtual person was a personal assistant anthroform drone.

There was a brain-fried ork sammy called Johnny X-Treme that I created. He was based on a character on X-Play. He was fond of smashing beer bottles on his crotch and yelling TO THE MAX!!! at random intervals. I think he would have been fun to play. Granted a sammy isn't exactly unusual but a brain-fried nut with an obsession with extreme-ness is slightly different.
Makki
i start running a sasquatch adept with gearhead and pilot car 6(8 ). he also has artisan(beatboxing) and enthralling performance. and yeah, he's very good with hunting rifles
WyldKnight
I remember not long ago our group had a Sasquatch as a fixer who had a program that spoke for him when he signed. His voice happened to be that of Danny Devito, it was an odd game.

I've made a paladin like character before but I actually kept him mundane and gave him good medical skills but a high willpower and banishing to take down spirits. I've been looking for that sheet and cannot find it. I never finished it, I had like 80 more Bp to spend.
naga-nuyen
How about a limited resource character? 400 BP build, no magician, adept but latent awakening okay. No sinner negative quality. Surge is okay. Any amount of BP can be put towards the 50 cap on resources but only price range of 300$ & 4R and less is available (and no carry over from generation to play allowed). Extended lifestyle in effect, only 7 points can be spent on the 5 categories. Only contacts of connectioin 2 or less can be taken.

Edit: I am building one now. I would add restricted gear and other qualities that would be against the concept.

Edit 2: Wow best Armor is leather jacket with PPP system upgrades vital protector and a helmet! Sweet...
WyldKnight
Sounds like it would be a high stat broad skill character eh?

I have yet to see a Beast master build which I was expecting after running wild.
WyldKnight
Whipped this up when I finally got the time, probably took 15 min. I didn't really think about it and this character would probably best be suited as an NPC or as a very magic heavy game where a spirit killer is a viable option.

Name: Father Abel Benadine
Metatype: Dwarf (Gnome was also a good option)
Height: 4'5
Role: Spirit Slayer
Alias: Samaritan

Point Break Down:

Stats: 230
Race: 25
Active Skills: 122
Knowledge Skills: Free Points only
Qualities: +35/-35
Resources: 10
Contacts: 13

Body: 5
Agility: 4
Reaction: 3
Strength: 3
Charisma: 5
Intuition: 3
Willpower: 6
Logic: 3
Edge: 4

Skills:
Influence Group 2
Banishing 5
Arcana 5
Perception 3
Infiltration 3
Pistols 3
Dodge 3

English
Spanish 2

Parazoology 4
Local Fixers 3
Magic Knowledge 3
Religion 4
20th century cinema 2

Qualities:
Martail Arts 3 (+3 DV to attacks of will, Watchful guard, Iaijutsu, Focus Will)
Magic Resistance 4

Spirit Bane (Something evil)
Astral Beacon
SINer
Distinctive Style 1
Vendetta (Toxic Mages)
Day job 1 (SINless Orphanage)

Contacts:
Father Hanlin (Former Mentor, taught him how to banish) L5/C3
Jammer (Shadowrunner, Hacker, once lived at his orphanage) L3/C3

50K for Gear.

Cliff Notes Backstory:

Exposed to Astral threats by an accidental dose of Tempo
Seeing what he could not even begin to fight searched for a teacher so he could defend himself and his flock
Moonlights to support the Orphanage by Exorcising spirits of all types.
In the process tries to bring some light to, in his eyes, these lost souls.

Didn't use Astral sight because I didn't know if he would still count as mundane then. A good candidate for a character with Latent Awakening.
crash2029
QUOTE (SR4 p.113)
MAGICAL ACTIVE SKILLS
Unless otherwise noted in the description, only characters
with the Magician or Mystic Adept quality and a Magic attribute
of 1 or greater may take or use Magic skills. Th e use of
Magical skills is described in Th e Awakened World, p. 163.

-

Banishing (Magic)
Magicians use the Banishing skill to disrupt spirits, removing
them from the physical and astral planes (see Banishing, p. 180).
Default: No
Skill Group: Conjuring
Specializations: By spirit type (Spirits of Air, Spirits of
Fire, etc.)

crash2029
QUOTE (WyldKnight @ Aug 27 2010, 11:41 PM) *
Whipped this up when I finally got the time, probably took 15 min. I didn't really think about it and this character would probably best be suited as an NPC or as a very magic heavy game where a spirit killer is a viable option.

Name: Father Abel Benadine
Metatype: Dwarf (Gnome was also a good option)
Height: 4'5
Role: Spirit Slayer
Alias: Samaritan

Point Break Down:

Stats: 230
Race: 25
Active Skills: 122
Knowledge Skills: Free Points only
Qualities: +35/-35
Resources: 10
Contacts: 13

Body: 5
Agility: 4
Reaction: 3
Strength: 3
Charisma: 5
Intuition: 3
Willpower: 6
Edge: 4

Skills:
Influence Group 2
Banishing 5
Arcana 5
Perception 3
Infiltration 3
Pistols 3
Dodge 3

English
Spanish 2

Parazoology 4
Local Fixers 3
Magic Knowledge 3
Religion 4
20th century cinema 2

Qualities:
Martail Arts 3 (+3 DV to attacks of will, Watchful guard, Iaijutsu, Focus Will)
Magic Resistance 4

Spirit Bane (Something evil)
Astral Beacon
SINer
Distinctive Style 1
Vendetta (Toxic Mages)
Day job 1 (SINless Orphanage)

Contacts:
Father Hanlin (Former Mentor, taught him how to banish) L5/C3
Jammer (Shadowrunner, Hacker, once lived at his orphanage) L3/C3

50K for Gear.

Cliff Notes Backstory:

Exposed to Astral threats by an accidental dose of Tempo
Seeing what he could not even begin to fight searched for a teacher so he could defend himself and his flock
Moonlights to support the Orphanage by Exorcising spirits of all types.
In the process tries to bring some light to, in his eyes, these lost souls.

Didn't use Astral sight because I didn't know if he would still count as mundane then. A good candidate for a character with Latent Awakening.


Logic?
WyldKnight
Oh whooops haha guess I missed that. I believe it was three but I don't have the sheet in front of me anymore. It would be easy enough to figure out the logic by how many knowledge points I spent since I only used the free points and the intuition is 3. I'm looking now so I can edit it in.
WyldKnight
Fixed and under the Attack of Will rules it says you use Banishing + Willpower or just Willpower.
naga-nuyen
So this is the limited resource PC, and i had allot of fun writing him up....so much in fact that with some changes in our running party (yeah critters can be real nasty) i think i will drop the Naga, let another player run the magician support (he says he has a burning good concept) and develop this guy some more and see if he meets the GM approval.


[ Spoiler ]
Makki
you may not have technical skill groups while uneducated. further your first two knowledge skills cost double
naga-nuyen
Thanks you for the heads up, easy to miss things when your building somthing quick. Made changes, and have a good day
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 27 2010, 10:01 AM) *
8 submersions is basically 8 mage initiations (So max magic / resonance of 14. That's on par with Dragons.)

Also: Sarcasm.

Also: Ohgod matrix Dragons.


Don't need 8 Submersions to get it though, just 4 Submersions and an additional 4 Echoes purchased Seperately, along with a 4 Resonance mimimum... Echo limit is equal to Sbbmersions + Resonance, so with that setup, you could get all 8 Echoes for the Cost of 4 Submersions (13+16+19+22 = 70 Karma (Network/Ordeals Makes it cheaper)), plus an additional 60 Karma for the extra 4 Echoes (15 Karma each)... Yeah, still not cheap though...
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Johnny B. Good @ Aug 27 2010, 10:52 AM) *
4 hits on an assensing test identifies a TM.

Edit: As will a signal being broadcast from his head without the presence of any cyberware.


5 Actually...
Megu
QUOTE (WyldKnight @ Aug 27 2010, 11:37 PM) *
Fixed and under the Attack of Will rules it says you use Banishing + Willpower or just Willpower.


Yeah, but I figured the build would be a lot less crazy and more viable if I actually had points in Banishing, and it seems reasonable enough to present to a GM, RAW be damned, you know?
Neraph
QUOTE (Megu @ Aug 28 2010, 05:03 PM) *
Yeah, but I figured the build would be a lot less crazy and more viable if I actually had points in Banishing, and it seems reasonable enough to present to a GM, RAW be damned, you know?

How do you intend to have Banishing as a Mundane?
Erik Baird
QUOTE (naga-nuyen @ Aug 27 2010, 11:58 PM) *
So this is the limited resource PC, and i had allot of fun writing him up....so much in fact that with some changes in our running party (yeah critters can be real nasty) i think i will drop the Naga, let another player run the magician support (he says he has a burning good concept) and develop this guy some more and see if he meets the GM approval.


[ Spoiler ]


Y'know, if I was your GM, I wouldn't allow you to take Incompetent (cyber combat) if you had no intention of ever getting any cyber weapons. Or your character might wake up one day with all his fingernails replaced with hand razors....
Sephiroth
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 29 2010, 04:33 PM) *
How do you intend to have Banishing as a Mundane?



QUOTE (Megu @ Aug 28 2010, 11:03 PM) *
Yeah, but I figured the build would be a lot less crazy and more viable if I actually had points in Banishing, and it seems reasonable enough to present to a GM, RAW be damned, you know?


That way, methinks.

Megu
QUOTE (Sephiroth @ Aug 29 2010, 01:20 PM) *
That way, methinks.


Pretty much. Seems like a minor deviation, as long as I'm only using it for attacks of will...
AKWeaponsSpecialist
QUOTE (Erik Baird @ Aug 29 2010, 10:14 AM) *
Y'know, if I was your GM, I wouldn't allow you to take Incompetent (cyber combat) if you had no intention of ever getting any cyber weapons. Or your character might wake up one day with all his fingernails replaced with hand razors....

"Cybercombat" is combat in the Matrix; most 'ware uses either Unarmed (shock hands) or Blades (spurs, hand blades, hand razors)
Erik Baird
Yeah, you're right. I got it mixed up with Unarmed (cyber implant weapon). Still, I wouldn't allow the guy to take a flaw that will likely never affect him in game. As a shapeshifter with no computer skills, I doubt he would ever be the go-to guy for hacking.
Mooncrow
QUOTE (Erik Baird @ Aug 29 2010, 05:35 PM) *
Yeah, you're right. I got it mixed up with Unarmed (cyber implant weapon). Still, I wouldn't allow the guy to take a flaw that will likely never affect him in game. As a shapeshifter with no computer skills, I doubt he would ever be the go-to guy for hacking.


That's why there are limits on how many negative qualities you can take. I would raise my eyebrows more at a hacker that took it, personally.
WyldKnight
Once played with someone who took incompetent parachuting. Half way into the campaign we had to air drop into hostile territory. Thank god he had enough edge to make it or I would have called dibs on his share of the pay.
Erik Baird
Heh. I bet that was an interesting session. Guys do sometimes live through burning in. Supposedly, a lot of the guys that live walk away, to boot. Dunno if there's records of that kept anywhere convenient.
Makki
QUOTE (WyldKnight @ Aug 30 2010, 12:55 AM) *
Once played with someone who took incompetent parachuting. Half way into the campaign we had to air drop into hostile territory. Thank god he had enough edge to make it or I would have called dibs on his share of the pay.


drug him an push him out? or hit him with big wooden batten on the back smile.gif
WyldKnight
QUOTE (Makki @ Aug 30 2010, 12:47 AM) *
drug him an push him out? or hit him with big wooden batten on the back smile.gif


Shhhh don't give away my plan. I still think I can jack his share of the pay.
Caadium
QUOTE (Mooncrow @ Aug 29 2010, 02:45 PM) *
That's why there are limits on how many negative qualities you can take. I would raise my eyebrows more at a hacker that took it, personally.


Why? This is a thread about alternate characters. I can totally get behind the concept of a hacker that is all about getting into someone elses system, rifling through their stuff, and other things that are lower-key and less stressful; yet at the same time, he couldn't handle cybercombat whether due to the stress of the situation, some sort of pacifism, or even old-fashioned morals about fighting.

Sure, this would this limit a hacker. However, in the games I'm a part of it wouldn't make him useless. In-fact, its fairly easy for them to get around. Use an Agent, or Sprite if the character is a TM, to cover your ass.

Regarding some of the other suggestions in this thread:

I've got a player in my group that is playing an edge 6 human private investigator with no cyber or magic. In the SR3 days I had a player make a tough troll that used throwing darts and chemical compounds; this character also had no cyber or magic. So, while it is rare, I've seen a couple of people that really get into characters that are fairly mundane.

A concept I've put together if I ever play instead of GM is a Street Doc with minimal rigging (due to the medkits and even drones with surgery centers). I've seen healing focused characters, usually spell slingers, but never a true street doc.

In the SR2 days I saw a player attempt to make a fixer-type character. He took high money and spent most of it on an army of contacts (including some of the more expensive options like a gang and such). With the SR4 system it would be very possible to make something like that again.
Neraph
QUOTE (Caadium @ Aug 31 2010, 11:45 AM) *
Why? This is a thread about alternate characters. I can totally get behind the concept of a hacker that is all about getting into someone elses system, rifling through their stuff, and other things that are lower-key and less stressful; yet at the same time, he couldn't handle cybercombat whether due to the stress of the situation, some sort of pacifism, or even old-fashioned morals about fighting.

Sure, this would this limit a hacker. However, in the games I'm a part of it wouldn't make him useless. In-fact, its fairly easy for them to get around. Use an Agent, or Sprite if the character is a TM, to cover your ass.

Regarding some of the other suggestions in this thread:

I've got a player in my group that is playing an edge 6 human private investigator with no cyber or magic. In the SR3 days I had a player make a tough troll that used throwing darts and chemical compounds; this character also had no cyber or magic. So, while it is rare, I've seen a couple of people that really get into characters that are fairly mundane.

A concept I've put together if I ever play instead of GM is a Street Doc with minimal rigging (due to the medkits and even drones with surgery centers). I've seen healing focused characters, usually spell slingers, but never a true street doc.

In the SR2 days I saw a player attempt to make a fixer-type character. He took high money and spent most of it on an army of contacts (including some of the more expensive options like a gang and such). With the SR4 system it would be very possible to make something like that again.

Hehe, a hacker with both Combat Paralysis and Incompetant (Cybercombat). I can just see it.

"Not the cyber-face, not the cyber-face!"
"Wait, you mean you can actually use code to fight also? COOL!"
Mooncrow
QUOTE (Caadium @ Aug 31 2010, 12:45 PM) *
Why? This is a thread about alternate characters. I can totally get behind the concept of a hacker that is all about getting into someone elses system, rifling through their stuff, and other things that are lower-key and less stressful; yet at the same time, he couldn't handle cybercombat whether due to the stress of the situation, some sort of pacifism, or even old-fashioned morals about fighting.

Sure, this would this limit a hacker. However, in the games I'm a part of it wouldn't make him useless. In-fact, its fairly easy for them to get around. Use an Agent, or Sprite if the character is a TM, to cover your ass.


Because choosing something as your profession when you're incompetent at part of it doesn't seem like a sound career choice. Not that it can't work, but it's going to take more explanation than a mage who's bad at it.
Neraph
QUOTE (Mooncrow @ Aug 31 2010, 11:49 AM) *
Because choosing something as your profession when you're incompetent at part of it doesn't seem like a sound career choice. Not that it can't work, but it's going to take more explanation than a mage who's bad at it.

HAH! A mage with Incompetant (Counterspelling).
codemonkey_uk
QUOTE (Laodicea @ Aug 27 2010, 04:16 PM) *
What about a shark shape-shifter who remains in a fish tank, in shark form, at all times. He's a rigger. He has specially adapted rigger cacoons in various vehicles and drones that he operates. The fish tank he's in is made of clear ferrocrete so it has a pretty solid barrier rating.


Sharks have to keep moving to breath*.




* Okay not all sharks, but this is true for both the cool species.
Neraph
Maybe something like a wave-machine to simulate him moving?
Kruger
You could easily push water through the gills with a simple low pressure water jet. The shark doesn't actually have to keep moving. It just has to keep moving water over its gills to breathe.
Neraph
Oooh.

A Shapeshifter character who's a hacker with an internal commlink (gained by buying one unit of raw silver to negate the regen and not raising Magic so after your 1st point of Essense damage you lose magic) and other implants who's lifestyle is the full immersion one. The group wouldn't even think there's anything wierd with you until need dictates they break you out, in which case they find that your immersive lifestyle is... a kennel.
WyldKnight
Rigger with incompetants in any mechanic skil

"Maybe if I hit it hard enough with my wrench it will work..."
Mooncrow
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 31 2010, 12:16 PM) *
Oooh.

A Shapeshifter character who's a hacker with an internal commlink (gained by buying one unit of raw silver to negate the regen and not raising Magic so after your 1st point of Essense damage you lose magic) and other implants who's lifestyle is the full immersion one. The group wouldn't even think there's anything wierd with you until need dictates they break you out, in which case they find that your immersive lifestyle is... a kennel.


Don't need to bother with the silver, just have it be a deltaware comm. (otherwise you have a character with -4 to every test, not to mention the whole "dead in ~15 minutes" thing)
X-Kalibur
QUOTE (codemonkey_uk @ Aug 31 2010, 09:03 AM) *
Sharks have to keep moving to breath*.




* Okay not all sharks, but this is true for both the cool species.


They also believed sharks didn't sleep because of this. Later studies showed that they would park themselves in currents to "sleep".
Neraph
QUOTE (Mooncrow @ Aug 31 2010, 12:21 PM) *
Don't need to bother with the silver, just have it be a deltaware comm. (otherwise you have a character with -4 to every test, not to mention the whole "dead in ~15 minutes" thing)

Ok, make the surgical implements silver. The reason why it's not Delta-grade is because you can't afford Delta during chargen. I was looking for a work-around that'll make you lose that one point of magic so you can get implants as a normal animal.
Doc Chase
I thought weres had a pretty nasty allergy to Silver.
Mooncrow
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 31 2010, 07:34 PM) *
Ok, make the surgical implements silver. The reason why it's not Delta-grade is because you can't afford Delta during chargen. I was looking for a work-around that'll make you lose that one point of magic so you can get implants as a normal animal.


Just make it a deltaware datajack then. 5,000 isn't going to break any banks, and most GM's will let it fly with a good enough story. (Like you were being experimented on by a deltaware clinic to see the effects of datajacks on weres)
Neraph
QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Aug 31 2010, 05:39 PM) *
I thought weres had a pretty nasty allergy to Silver.

They do. I double-check it and I thought it was Moderate, not Severe. The difference is one is slightly annoying, the other will kill you in under half an hour.

So take an Allergy (Mild, Nickel), buy a nickel-plated collar, and wear it in animal form. Then your Regen would still not work, allowing you to get your implants.
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