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naga-nuyen
So my buddy got back from deployment and they have just gotten back from leave. Two companies in his unit are now pulling 50% 24hr security on their barracks guarding against stupidity. I mean full security minus Ammo, crew served weapons, Razor wire, control points getting into the parking lot, challenge and password. And why you ask are they doing this in garrison?

On the weekend someone in the barracks ordered pizza, our poor delivery lady goes up to the barracks checks into CQ then heads up to the room, comes down and finds no pizza, and more importantly no car. They found the car in the back 40' (training grounds) a couple days later. Goes without saying that there was no pizza in it!

1SGT and CSM are thinking peer pressure is going to get some information on how this happened on his barracks and by whom in the company. But from experience I give it a couple more days and if they get no info they will cut back till everything is normal.
Doc Chase
Wait wait wait. Pizza Girl heads up to the barracks and doesn't take the pies with her?

Wha?
naga-nuyen
She had lots of on post deliveries in her car, not sure how many pies but I was in for 8 years and they never brought more than the sale up to the floor. I mean I have no details but that SGT that was on CQ is done; it is his/her area of responsibility. They will get to revisit Specialist again very soon smile.gif
Kruger
And this is why you always take your keys with you.

Sounds like 19-20 year old males, probably drunk, lol. Very creative punishment too.
Doc Chase
QUOTE (Kruger @ Oct 7 2010, 11:05 PM) *
And this is why you always take your keys with you.

Sounds like 19-20 year old males, probably drunk, lol. Very creative punishment too.


Sounds like the sort who try to hotbox their barracks room. Not that I know of anyone like that. nyahnyah.gif
naga-nuyen
I remember in Korea after we did a MOPP training tha two guys tried to sleep through it in one of the Vehicles assigned to the cooks. They made them dress in MOPP for and took them down to the River and had them fish for supper for the commander. One of the funniest things I have seen is someone trying to take a fish hook out of there MOPP gear without being able to take it off, poor private fell into the river. They fished his sorry cold butt out downstream and had him do a MOPP exchange drill and went right back on fishing, good training!
Christian Lafay
Forget that. When I was on base the pizza person brought them all to CQ at the same time and the privates who got stuck with runner-duty would watch the pies like they were watching over the weapon vault. The God of Pizzas and Freedom (the CSM) was a kind god, but had reserves of wrath. We challenged him not. Except in a sumo suit, but that is another story. But then again... a bunch or Army guys stuck on an Air Force base..... We didn't need to take things from civilians. We took things from the Air Force.
naga-nuyen
That is not taking, that is reassignment via lateral service shift. They have a code and everything for the DA 2404

Come to think of it the only time i saw big words used in the army was to describe something they were at the time doing that was "wrong", the bigger the "wrong" the bigger the word
Christian Lafay
I wish I had known that. I had to reassign a very fancy looking Air Force golf-cart. I was on profile not allowing me to walk more than an 1/8th of a mile and it had the keys in it. Found out some Airmen can't run faster than their golf-carts and that just because I'm a 35N that doesn't make me special.
naga-nuyen
Have a lot of things I could say about their PT, but when it comes down to it there good at what they do, and there Para guys saved some pilots on our base in Germany when they went down in Afghan. That being said the Air force crew got sub standard living allowance for living on Giebelstadt Army Air field (well not our Army any longer).
fistandantilus4.0
QUOTE (naga-nuyen @ Oct 7 2010, 07:11 PM) *
They fished his sorry cold butt out downstream and had him do a MOPP exchange drill and went right back on fishing, good training!

That is hilarious. Just did change out drills the other day, so its nice being able to laugh at someone else. biggrin.gif
naga-nuyen
I loved re-training with my soldiers, I hated punishment. If my troop failed on a mission in garrison then by god I had only get the Platoon/1SG head nod and I had 20hrs a day to re-train my troop. After 3-5 days there interest in getting there shit straight sky rocketed.

And the best was if my troops were late. If they were late to Accountability/mandatory formations then you have taken it out of my hands and we do what the Platoon SGT wants. But if your late to my formations, or to work call no prob. I tell your peers to get you under control, if it happens again then after work call the next day my soldiers have instructions to bring everything they need for an entire day of work in a ruk sack. After PT we inventory it, and then next formation is in 25min after Hygiene is conducted. Then I march my troops over to the DFAC, anyone on off post allowances not prepared with their own food gets an MRE. Then I march my happy crew up to work call. Then I march them from work call to DFAC for lunch, then right back to work call. Then I march them back to staff duty were we issue out car keys after end of the day formation. I tell you in 5 yrs of having strips I only had to do this twice, every other time my troops policed up their peers riki tiki fast.

When I had a section and I had a SGT not performing up to standard, then I put him under his fellow E5. Peer pressure is a mother, and after a week of being a PV5 they get there shit squared away real quick.
Sixgun_Sage
You people are bringing back a mixed bag of memories, I hated MOPP gear.
naga-nuyen
MOPP for me was like cold, unless i was being injured by the cold it was all a mental state. I just picture everyone around me on fire and i was generally happy in it!
Sixgun_Sage
Oh, I could function just fine in it, doesn't stop me from hating the stuff. Does not help that one nco had an interesting opinion on the definition of "Good Training."
Christian Lafay
The only thing I had a blast doing with training, other than being OPFOR (GOD I LOVE THAT!), was the NBC chamber in Basic. Me and one other guy were completely unaffected and it was a blast to watch the others. But his reason for being immune was better than my, "I don't know..."

Drill Sgt "Private! How the fuck are you not gagging?!"
Prt "Drill Sgt! I used to smoke meth, Drill Sgt!"
sgtbarnes_ky
That's what i liked about Hvy Mech, all the formations where in the Motor Pool, and we were always in the Motor Pool, made life easier. As for MOPP, all I can say is an extra layer of clothing in the back 40 in BFE Germany, knee deep in MUD, never hurt this Joseph. hehe he fell in the river..stupid Joe.
Sixgun_Sage
QUOTE (sgtbarnes_ky @ Oct 7 2010, 10:30 PM) *
That's what i liked about Hvy Mech, all the formations where in the Motor Pool, and we were always in the Motor Pool, made life easier. As for MOPP, all I can say is an extra layer of clothing in the back 40 in BFE Germany, knee deep in MUD, never hurt this Joseph. hehe he fell in the river..stupid Joe.



MOPP in a middle eastern shit hole (ok, I understand the purpose...) in the summer is a unique sort of discomfort and the cause of much swampass.
sgtbarnes_ky
DRINK WATER!!!! HOOAH!!!! smile.gif Luckily when i was deployed they never made use wear MOPP, they said everything was secure and there was no more active combat in our theater of operation, hehe, then why couldn't we salute the Officers....DRINK WATER!!! HOOAH!!! As I recall if memory serves I was took fire everyday for 6 months will on patrol, by the way in 3E I see now the value in adding Ballistic Plates to my armored vest now. DRINK WATER!!! HOOAH!!!!
sgtbarnes_ky
DRINK WATER!!!! HOOAH!!!! smile.gif Luckily when i was deployed they never made use wear MOPP, they said everything waS secure and there was no more active combat in our theater of operation, hehe, then why couldn't we salute the Officers....DRINK WATER!!! HOOAH!!! As I recall if memory serves I took fire everyday for 6 months while on patrol, by the way in 3E I see now the value in adding Ballistic Plates to my armored vest now. DRINK WATER!!! HOOAH!!!!
Sixgun_Sage
Just seeing that axiom peppering a post recalls the feeling of sand in.... places it just should not be. Ever. Quit it.
CanadianWolverine
I am civy and furrenner to boot, I feel like a friggin anthropologist whenever I stumble across threads like these. If it wasn't for the glossary at the back of Rogue Warrior fiction I wouldn't have the first clue what language you badasses were even speaking. Kinda reminds me of that list I came across once, The List of Things Private Isn't Allowed To Do or something.

Perhaps it speaks to how far US military culture has spread across the globe. Not going to say whether I regard that as a good or bad thing, but I bet you can guess.

BTW, how do we makes this about Shadowrun wink.gif Do you guys play Shadowrun on the base, pretending to be The Unit long haired hippy and biker misfits or something?
Christian Lafay
QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Oct 8 2010, 09:51 PM) *
The List of Things Private Isn't Allowed To Do or something.


THE SKIPPY LIST! I love that list. Met the man once, he's a riot.

And as far as applying it on base, playing Shadowrun with military types always seems to turn out bad. You got the Infantry who know how to handle a fire fight too well to ensure the gangers/corp sec always dies. You got the tankers and the munitions who can level a city block. And then you got Intel (Hi! Hehe) who will play the hackers and use the satellite systems at are in orbit today to reroute a signal. Too much meta-gaming, haha.
fistandantilus4.0
In my experience, military types are pretty good at SR. You just have to be ready to amp up the opposition to a logical level. They have a little more experience with the tactics. Get the military police types, and they have a better idea of law enforcement tactics too. The only problem I've had is the learning curve of a group with military types and non.
Sixgun_Sage
QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ Oct 8 2010, 05:57 PM) *
In my experience, military types are pretty good at SR. You just have to be ready to amp up the opposition to a logical level. They have a little more experience with the tactics. Get the military police types, and they have a better idea of law enforcement tactics too. The only problem I've had is the learning curve of a group with military types and non.



What you need to do, usually, is stick the military types in roles they are otherwise unfamiliar with, not always entirely feasible but it can help keep them from dangerously outpacing others at the table.
Christian Lafay
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Oct 9 2010, 12:07 AM) *
What you need to do, usually, is stick the military types in roles they are otherwise unfamiliar with, not always entirely feasible but it can help keep them from dangerously outpacing others at the table.

Alright, since you are a Delta sniper..... You can play The Face. rotfl.gif
Neraph
QUOTE
I am civy and furrenner to boot, I feel like a friggin anthropologist whenever I stumble across threads like these. If it wasn\'t for the glossary at the back of Rogue Warrior fiction I wouldn\'t have the first clue what language you badasses were even speaking. Kinda reminds me of that list I came across once, The List of Things Private Isn\'t Allowed To Do or something.

SPC Schwarz.

In accordance with Prophecy.
LurkerOutThere
Mopp gear in the desert was it's own special kind of hell, and then there was the realization that the only thing in the kit that MIGHT save your life was the atropine. One of the worst mistakes I ever made was having a long discussion with a Chemical troop before going in the field, ignorance was bliss.

Moving this back into Shadowrun territory it was very much a culture clash to go from designing runs for a military audience to doing so civilians. The military guys you have to drill down and have an answer for everything, including why breaching charges cannot be used on every mission, civilians over the age of 20? Not so much.

KarmaInferno
You wouldn't think a breaching charge would be all that useful in a high society negotiation, but sometimes you get surprised.

grinbig.gif



-k
Sixgun_Sage
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Oct 9 2010, 01:45 AM) *
You wouldn't think a breaching charge would be all that useful in a high society negotiation, but sometimes you get surprised.

grinbig.gif



-k


There is no problem so small or so large it cannot be solved with a corresponding amount of explosives.
Neraph
"Didn't I just tell you we're out of those?"

*hefts handheld size of explosives* "Do you have any idea what something this small would do to the metahuman head?"

"... Actually, come to think of it, I believe we just got a shipment in this morning. I'll go get them from the back now."
naga-nuyen
It is all about separating what is known real life to what is fantasy... I am about to join a group in a couple weeks and I am approaching small team tactics like I know nothing. There is nothing worse than someone thinking they can apply RL to some else’s story. But yeah I tried very hard to stay away from being a shooter PC, I might do a stabby adept to get my feet wet in the mechanics of the game then move to Magic (Naga pc) or face (Naga face...what it could happen).

But there is going to be a disconnect when I get enough experience to run games. I have already started to design runs, and found that Corp security has range cards., over lapping fields of fire, ability to engage enemies with 3 dimensions (4th if you think astral) of fire power (ground, air, and Arty). I did a dry run with a group of PC's I created and death ranges in the 60-100% ratio....not a good gaming experience for anyone.
kzt
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Oct 9 2010, 12:45 AM) *
You wouldn't think a breaching charge would be all that useful in a high society negotiation, but sometimes you get surprised.

Sometimes it's really useful to have a new backdoor after the negotiation breaks down and you get to shoot the jerk in the head like he so richly deserved. smile.gif
CanRay
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 9 2010, 02:31 AM) *
"Didn't I just tell you we're out of those?"

*hefts handheld size of explosives* "Do you have any idea what something this small would do to the metahuman head?"

"... Actually, come to think of it, I believe we just got a shipment in this morning. I'll go get them from the back now."

Someone talking to the Quartermaster?
WhiskeyMac
I noticed a huge transition in my tactics and way of thinking while playing Shadowrun after I joined up.

And I definitely agree that any problem in the world can be solved with the right amount of applied explosives (P for plenty wink.gif )

BTW Combat engineer wink.gif
Sixgun_Sage
QUOTE (WhiskeyMac @ Oct 10 2010, 07:24 AM) *
I noticed a huge transition in my tactics and way of thinking while playing Shadowrun after I joined up.

And I definitely agree that any problem in the world can be solved with the right amount of applied explosives (P for plenty wink.gif )

BTW Combat engineer wink.gif



You guys where crazy, I just jumped out of perfectly good planes, though I only ever got to actually do so in training.
WhiskeyMac
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Oct 10 2010, 01:41 PM) *
You guys were crazy, I just jumped out of perfectly good planes, though I only ever got to actually do so in training.


Were crazy? Our job description entails us rolling around in armored vehicles waiting (or watching) for bombs to blow up so everyone else can use the roads. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as crazy, either that or suicidal.
Sixgun_Sage
QUOTE (WhiskeyMac @ Oct 10 2010, 09:25 AM) *
Were crazy? Our job description entails us rolling around in armored vehicles waiting (or watching) for bombs to blow up so everyone else can use the roads. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as crazy, either that or suicidal.



Fine, are crazy, pedantic nutter...
Shrike30
One of our Paramedic units was going to Madigan Hospital at Ft. Lewis with a trauma patient a few years ago, and through some miscommunication the base gate wasn't notified that they had an ambulance coming in lights and sirens. Unaware of this, the medic unit went right past the gate and towards the hospital (like they'd normally do)... only to find themselves facing humvees blocking the road with .50 cals directed towards their rig. Things were straightened out at that point, but the crew has made a point of ensuring the gate knows they're coming in since then.
CanRay
Friend of mine in The Sandbox had taken cover during a mortar attack, and started complaining about having to put his tent up again (Or some such minor thing).

He got in trouble for that...
Sixgun_Sage
Don't ya just hate it when that happens.... rotfl.gif
WhiskeyMac
Something my Platoon Sergeant told me that has always made sense to me is: "You can bitch all you want, but you're going to do what I told you too, either way. So stop your bitching, save your energy and get it done." I'd still mumble under my breath, but I'd get shit done faster so I wouldn't have to hang around in full kit out in the hot as shit sun.
Wounded Ronin
I'm not a military person but I always felt gamers should study tactics. Otherwise you're just pulling it all out of your ass. Good fiction should have a basis in something.

If you keep your eyes open and meet lots of people you can find opportunities as someone's friend or buddy to attend tactical training of various sorts.
naga-nuyen
When I got to my first duty station in Texas among the 4th ID within the first week my platoon SGT took the new Privates one by one down to the CONEX and took them inside to work with him. They never came back to the platoon section so when it was my turn I went down there and started working tossing the nets out and stuff. He then started to Yell at me and put me to parade rest, his next action caught me by surprise, he hit me in the chest, knocking the air out of me and tossed me to the ground and hit me with about 4-5 body shots. He then got up and had his boot on my head and said this is a preventive ass whooping, for all the stupid Private stuff I will try to do... I tell you the guy was tough as hell on us, but we lower enlisted bonded fast over it, squared ourselves away and we became extremely good at what we did. You would think after that we would have hated the guy, but to a man those that are left would still follow that guy into hell. Even though he is out now, and those that are still alive are equal or higher grade then when he left.

Well except me lol, I am retired early for medical. Odd being retired at 32 though, but I got lots of schooling options, and no worries about money. The Army really took care of me in this case...a little sad though because as I was going through my medical/retirement process I saw allot of soldiers getting worse treatment/options then I. Allot of them were hurt allot more than me, I just got lucky because I worked within the system, and worked hard to recover....but they said I would never walk right without aid again....but I have proven them wrong, after four surgeries I took my little man to the Zoo last week. The first time I have been active with him without someone around, and being able to walk on my own smile.gif
Bert
Naga, Thanks for sharing that man. As much fun as fun and games are, I think it's important to realize that there is some serious stuff going on right now with people serving in the military. Most of us probably have friends or family enlisted (even if you're out, you never really leave) and I'm sure those of you that don't have at least a passing respect for all the crap the enlisted have to deal with.
Take care man, and good luck on your recovery.

On another note, I have to agree that even a quick google search of proper tactics can really add to a games element.

naga-nuyen
Thank you, yeah I agree with adding to the game with real life info. I am working my way though the South African BODYGUARD TRAINING ACADEMY manual for VIP/CLOSE PROTECTION prepping for a Troll PC with that background. It really gives you a understanding of all the skill sets one needs to be part of a Cover team. They spend allot of their time going over intelligence on suspect groups that may wish to inflict harm on there government. Also being able to blend with the crowds that the VIP mingles with is important, so you need to be able to socialize and know when to/and not to open your trap. Good reading, but I love reading TM/FM's so nothing new here lol.

Edit: You can find allot of manuals over the internet if you take the time. US manual are easy to come by in PDF format, though they may be a few years out of date most changes are minor usually impacting active duty regulations but not affecting the message of the manual.
Wounded Ronin
Those old Army manuals are terrific for RPGs.
etherial
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Oct 8 2010, 07:07 PM) *
What you need to do, usually, is stick the military types in roles they are otherwise unfamiliar with, not always entirely feasible but it can help keep them from dangerously outpacing others at the table.


Heh, that doesn't work so well when the Military Type is the guy who ran SR for a decade and wanted his turn as a player.
Wounded Ronin
Hmm, I just realized that the GM being a military guy is one of the only ways you'd get militaries behaving realistically in game.
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