Bodak...
Individual Vehicle Armor Comes in Ratings (Rating 1-20)
Personal Vehicle Armor Comes in Ratings (Rating 1-10)
A Rigger Cocoon has no ratings, even though it has Armor 20.
Worn Armor DOES NOT COME IN RATINGS. They have an Intrinsic Armor Rating, but that is not the same thing, and is not limited at character Creation. I could purchase Military Grade Armor if I wanted to do so (and spent the Restricted Gear Quality) because Personal Armor is not Rated...
You are talking about Apples and Oranges. Your line of reasoning would eliminate most trucks, some cars and even a Motorcycle , some low end security vehicles, and even some drones from being purchased, even though they fall well within Availability limits. You do not include Non-Rated equipment in the Ratings above 6 limitation.
Not even sure where you got that idea from...
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In general, SR isn't terribly strict on language; many things are formulated fuzzily, perhaps in the interests of readability. I think this is one of those cases; not every instance of the word Rating means the same thing.
I think the best interpretation is that the Rating 6 cap only applies to things where the Rating is something in the price of the item, i.e. "Rating * blah
" stuff. Items where the Rating is some sort of variable that you have a choice in, such as vehicle armor.
"Constant" ratings, such as the rigger cocoon, are something different, imho. They weren't meant to be included under that cap; you can't choose to pick a lower rating.
I think the best interpretation is that the Rating 6 cap only applies to things where the Rating is something in the price of the item, i.e. "Rating * blah
" stuff. Items where the Rating is some sort of variable that you have a choice in, such as vehicle armor."Constant" ratings, such as the rigger cocoon, are something different, imho. They weren't meant to be included under that cap; you can't choose to pick a lower rating.
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ May 20 2011, 07:51 AM) 
In general, SR isn't terribly strict on language; many things are formulated fuzzily, perhaps in the interests of readability. I think this is one of those cases; not every instance of the word Rating means the same thing.
I think the best interpretation is that the Rating 6 cap only applies to things where the Rating is something in the price of the item, i.e. "Rating * blah " stuff. Items where the Rating is some sort of variable that you have a choice in, such as vehicle armor.
"Constant" ratings, such as the rigger cocoon, are something different, imho. They weren't meant to be included under that cap; you can't choose to pick a lower rating.
I think the best interpretation is that the Rating 6 cap only applies to things where the Rating is something in the price of the item, i.e. "Rating * blah
" stuff. Items where the Rating is some sort of variable that you have a choice in, such as vehicle armor."Constant" ratings, such as the rigger cocoon, are something different, imho. They weren't meant to be included under that cap; you can't choose to pick a lower rating.
Agreed... Thank You for creating clarity, where before there was only confusion.
I think all I can do here is repeat:
QUOTE (Bodak @ May 20 2011, 09:43 AM)
Mea culpa regarding the inherent armour value of pre-existing stock items such as the cocoon itself or an armoured jacket. Of course, these come off the shelf with their respective armour values. I had mistakenly thought the post was referring to modifying a drone with a rating 20 armour upgrade.
I'm still very curious to hear sabs rationale on cocoons though.
they're Awesome?
Horseman + Cocoon is a great combo for running around night invulnerable?
Because of the way barriers and vehicle armor rules work, you end up being behind 23 points of armor. It's amazingly good.
Horseman + Cocoon is a great combo for running around night invulnerable?
Because of the way barriers and vehicle armor rules work, you end up being behind 23 points of armor. It's amazingly good.
That doesn't address why you think availability 14R is "very low".
I can understand always getting the enhanced cocoon because it is better. I can understand how it is better. But "it has never made sense to me that the enhanced version's Availability is so much harder than the Valkyrie module on its own or the standard cocoon on its own." That's what I'm curious about.
I can understand always getting the enhanced cocoon because it is better. I can understand how it is better. But "it has never made sense to me that the enhanced version's Availability is so much harder than the Valkyrie module on its own or the standard cocoon on its own." That's what I'm curious about.
QUOTE (Bodak @ May 21 2011, 01:52 AM)
That doesn't address why you think availability 14R is "very low".
I can understand always getting the enhanced cocoon because it is better. I can understand how it is better. But "it has never made sense to me that the enhanced version's Availability is so much harder than the Valkyrie module on its own or the standard cocoon on its own." That's what I'm curious about.
I can understand always getting the enhanced cocoon because it is better. I can understand how it is better. But "it has never made sense to me that the enhanced version's Availability is so much harder than the Valkyrie module on its own or the standard cocoon on its own." That's what I'm curious about.
Becasue the Enhanced Rigger Coccoon has BOTH in ONE MOD. That is why it has a higher availability.
Remember that Availability isn't just how hard it is to get in the legal sense, also mixed in there is the plain rarity of the item.
If there aren't many buyers of a particular product, then it probably going to harder to get one. You may have to go through specialty suppliers. While there are plenty of buyers of rigger cocoons and valkyrie units, probably there are far fewer buyers that need BOTH in one package.
The market here is pretty much purely combat riggers. It's really a tiny market.
-k
If there aren't many buyers of a particular product, then it probably going to harder to get one. You may have to go through specialty suppliers. While there are plenty of buyers of rigger cocoons and valkyrie units, probably there are far fewer buyers that need BOTH in one package.
The market here is pretty much purely combat riggers. It's really a tiny market.
-k
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