Full Version: Spells for a Sword-wielding Mystic Adept
The reason I don't like Smoke is because I consider a gas mask as a piece of gear like I do underwear: always got at least one on.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2011, 06:50 AM) 
The reason I don't like Smoke is because I consider a gas mask as a piece of gear like I do underwear: always got at least one on.
True, it is often a very handy peice of equipment. But not everyone actually uses them, even if they carry them.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 12 2011, 11:21 AM)
True, it is often a very handy peice of equipment. But not everyone actually uses them, even if they carry them.
And that is at aleast one hit with no armour. I personally have used Smoke on a Tamanous related NPC Adept. Of course, he also had a pet Basilisk, so he could petrify/suffocate people, then take out whatever he needed. Sure, smoke could cause some permanent damage to tissue, but that could be treated later. At least it's in one piece for now.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 12 2011, 09:21 AM)
True, it is often a very handy peice of equipment. But not everyone actually uses them, even if they carry them.
I wear them all the time. I usually have them built in to my helmets. Or I play AIs in Drones.
ELEMENTAL WEAPON
Cost: .75
This power allows an adept to channel mana to a wielded melee weapon with a Simple Action. While active, a specific Elemental effect (chosen when purchased) covers the weapon and converts all damage done with that weapon to that Element's effects. The effect lasts for Combat Turns equal to the Adept's Magic attribute. If the Adept were to be disarmed or no longer be in physical contact with the weapon then the Elemental effect will dissipate as soon as contact is lost. The effect can be renewed with a Free Action as long as it is active.
For an additional .25 power points, another handheld weapon can be granted a similar effect and all are activated with the same Simple Action and renewed with the same Free Action. If another Element effect is desired then the cost is .5 instead.
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Rather unimaginative, but my GM asked me for a proposed "lightsaber" power and I wanted to run it by you guys first. Think it's a bit much considering the Unarmed guys need 1 PP for it? If it's 1 PP should you then be able to activate it for both (or more) hands at the same time?
Cost: .75
This power allows an adept to channel mana to a wielded melee weapon with a Simple Action. While active, a specific Elemental effect (chosen when purchased) covers the weapon and converts all damage done with that weapon to that Element's effects. The effect lasts for Combat Turns equal to the Adept's Magic attribute. If the Adept were to be disarmed or no longer be in physical contact with the weapon then the Elemental effect will dissipate as soon as contact is lost. The effect can be renewed with a Free Action as long as it is active.
For an additional .25 power points, another handheld weapon can be granted a similar effect and all are activated with the same Simple Action and renewed with the same Free Action. If another Element effect is desired then the cost is .5 instead.
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Rather unimaginative, but my GM asked me for a proposed "lightsaber" power and I wanted to run it by you guys first. Think it's a bit much considering the Unarmed guys need 1 PP for it? If it's 1 PP should you then be able to activate it for both (or more) hands at the same time?
I'd just use the Calling rules to Call a possession or inhabitation spirit for the swords. Also, Ancient History had some materials written for an upcoming magic book that ended up getting canceled. Maybe someone could link it for you (I have it downloaded). It has inside it some adept abilities for melee weapons.
You mean 'abuse' them. 
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2011, 10:32 PM)
I wear them all the time. I usually have them built in to my helmets. Or I play AIs in Drones.
You are one of the rare few that I have encountered that do so in game.
Even IRL when I was in the Corps, I often noticed that people went without their masks when they should have definitely had them on. When asked, the answer was invariably some form of "because it's uncomfortable." On occasion, that bit them in the ass during training maneuvers. Sucked to be them. Still, they never really changed either, so...
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 13 2011, 04:27 PM)
You are one of the rare few that I have encountered that do so in game.
Even IRL when I was in the Corps, I often noticed that people went without their masks when they should have definitely had them on. When asked, the answer was invariably some form of "because it's uncomfortable." On occasion, that bit them in the ass during training maneuvers. Sucked to be them. Still, they never really changed either, so...
Even IRL when I was in the Corps, I often noticed that people went without their masks when they should have definitely had them on. When asked, the answer was invariably some form of "because it's uncomfortable." On occasion, that bit them in the ass during training maneuvers. Sucked to be them. Still, they never really changed either, so...
Military is similar. The things are miserable, so people try to avoid using them. Of course, gas is more miserable, but no one wants to think about that. I'd like to think that the 2070s has gas masks that people don't mind wearing, but somehow I doubt it.
As an aside, gas masks and beards don't mix, and I don't see that changing in the next hundred years. I wonder how often runners end up shaving to accommodate a gas mask...
Oops.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 13 2011, 10:27 AM)
You are one of the rare few that I have encountered that do so in game.
Even IRL when I was in the Corps, I often noticed that people went without their masks when they should have definitely had them on. When asked, the answer was invariably some form of "because it's uncomfortable." On occasion, that bit them in the ass during training maneuvers. Sucked to be them. Still, they never really changed either, so...
Even IRL when I was in the Corps, I often noticed that people went without their masks when they should have definitely had them on. When asked, the answer was invariably some form of "because it's uncomfortable." On occasion, that bit them in the ass during training maneuvers. Sucked to be them. Still, they never really changed either, so...
My favorite armor is a heavily modded Evo HEL suit. Other than that I try to get the GM to allow me to build a gas mask into a helmet, which I always wear on 'runs. Or I play a drone.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 13 2011, 09:09 PM)
My favorite armor is a heavily modded Evo HEL suit. Other than that I try to get the GM to allow me to build a gas mask into a helmet, which I always wear on 'runs. Or I play a drone.
Not a big fan of the Hel Suit. I prefer the more innocuous armors over the ones that are highly obvious, and memorable.
I like it because you should be able to wear normal clothes over it (it's skin-tight). And the amount of armor protections you can get are ridiculous.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 14 2011, 07:26 AM)
I like it because you should be able to wear normal clothes over it (it's skin-tight). And the amount of armor protections you can get are ridiculous.
Ummmmm.....
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Evo HEL Suit: The HEL (Hostile Environment Living) suit was developed by the Evo Corporation as the everyday dress of space station inhabitants and astronauts. The thin, tight-fi tting, puncture- and-tear-resistant suit covers the whole body except the face, which can be protected by a hood and self-attaching breath and eye mask with an internal 5-minute supply of highly compressed air that is usually carried within one of the suit’s many pouches. The suit is made of some of the most advanced clothing materials available, off ering limited vacuum protection for up to 5 minutes, as well as protection from hot or cold environments and chemicals. Due to its many useful traits and high comfort, the suit has become increasingly popular with people working in uncomfortable earthbound surroundings as well (at least those for whom the suit’s high price is no obstacle). The HEL suit protects its wearer against Cold damage (Insulation 4), heat and Fire damage (Fire Resistance 2), radiation (Radiation Shield 3), and chemicals (Chemical Protection 2). See p. 50 and p. 317, SR4, for the description of these armor modifications.
No where does it say that it is form fitting and cabaple of being worn under normal clothes. It is a space work suit, usaed for EVERYDAY DRESS. You know, like what they wear on the space station. Comfortable, maybe, but not necessarily form fitting and not concealable under clothes. The fact that it is carrying an Air tank, and has many outside pockets should indicate that it is an outer wear (and fairly distinctive outer wear at that) that is meant to be worn by itself.
You want Form Fitting Underarmor, wear FFBA.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 14 2011, 09:15 AM)
No where does it say that it is form fitting and cabaple of being worn under normal clothes
You quoted it yourself.
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The thin, tight-fi tting...
I can wear clothes over clothes very easily. Not everything is sold to perfectly fit someone. You can buy baggy clothes.
Sure. And you pay encumbrance penalties for stacked clothes. 
You *can* wear 6 sweaters.
You *can* wear 6 sweaters.
Did you actually read what you quoted? It says right in the description:
It would seem they're going for the scifi spandex style here. A five minute air tank in the day and age of nanotechnology also doesn't mean what some scuba like nonsense, at all.
Even if the GM rules that you can't conceal it with clothing, it's definitely less "highly obvious and memorable" than the full body armors. It's basically a catsuit/jumpsuit (depending on how tight "tight fitting" is) compared to the SWAT suit craziness other people wear.
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The thin, tight-fitting, puncture- and-tear-resistant suit covers the whole body except the face
It would seem they're going for the scifi spandex style here. A five minute air tank in the day and age of nanotechnology also doesn't mean what some scuba like nonsense, at all.
Even if the GM rules that you can't conceal it with clothing, it's definitely less "highly obvious and memorable" than the full body armors. It's basically a catsuit/jumpsuit (depending on how tight "tight fitting" is) compared to the SWAT suit craziness other people wear.
QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Aug 14 2011, 08:26 AM)
Did you actually read what you quoted? It says right in the description:
It would seem they're going for the scifi spandex style here. A five minute air tank in the day and age of nanotechnology also doesn't mean what some scuba like nonsense, at all.
Even if the GM rules that you can't conceal it with clothing, it's definitely less "highly obvious and memorable" than the full body armors. It's basically a catsuit/jumpsuit (depending on how tight "tight fitting" is) compared to the SWAT suit craziness other people wear.
It would seem they're going for the scifi spandex style here. A five minute air tank in the day and age of nanotechnology also doesn't mean what some scuba like nonsense, at all.
Even if the GM rules that you can't conceal it with clothing, it's definitely less "highly obvious and memorable" than the full body armors. It's basically a catsuit/jumpsuit (depending on how tight "tight fitting" is) compared to the SWAT suit craziness other people wear.
Read it again, then. Tight Fitting does not mean Form Fitting. My Jeans are tight fitting, yet comfortable. Does not mean I am going to wear two pair of them.
And it is Memorable because it is a fricking SPACE SUIT. Can't really confuse them for anything else, now can you?
I dunno, I've worn loose-fitting clothing over tight-fitting clothing before.
Like sweatpants over jeans, when it was cold.
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Like sweatpants over jeans, when it was cold.
-k
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Aug 14 2011, 09:40 AM)
I dunno, I've worn loose-fitting clothing over tight-fitting clothing before.
Like sweatpants over jeans, when it was cold.
-k
Like sweatpants over jeans, when it was cold.
-k
See, I just wear a coat at that point.
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 14 2011, 10:25 AM)
Sure. And you pay encumbrance penalties for stacked clothes. You *can* wear 6 sweaters.
You *can* wear 6 sweaters.Only causes encumberance if the clothing you wear also has armor ratings
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 14 2011, 10:25 AM)
Only causes encumberance if the clothing you wear also has armor ratings
Semantics... Try wearing 6 sweaters and see how much whole body dexterity you will have. You WILL be encumbered. Arguing that you can wear excessive clothing with no penalty smacks of gamesmanship.
*cough*RAW*cough*
Ima wear a HEL suit under a Durable Clothing utility jumpsuit.
Ima wear a HEL suit under a Durable Clothing utility jumpsuit.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 14 2011, 11:40 AM)
Semantics... Try wearing 6 sweaters and see how much whole body dexterity you will have. You WILL be encumbered. Arguing that you can wear excessive clothing with no penalty smacks of gamesmanship.
I also never mentioned 6 sweaters.
When I think of the Evo HEL suit, this is what I see. You could easily wear some BDUs (non-armored ones) or a male kimono over that.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 14 2011, 10:11 PM)
I also never mentioned 6 sweaters.
When I think of the Evo HEL suit, this is what I see. You could easily wear some BDUs (non-armored ones) or a male kimono over that.
When I think of the Evo HEL suit, this is what I see. You could easily wear some BDUs (non-armored ones) or a male kimono over that.
That is not what I see, however (nor what is described), I see a Space Station Suit like what our Astronauts wear. Now, you are correct that that is what is worn underneath their Space Walk Suit. But, I would not call it something you would wear underneath BDU's. Sorry, it is already like a set of BDU's in that they have multiple cargo pockets, etc.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 15 2011, 07:05 AM)
That is not what I see, however (nor what is described), I see a Space Station Suit like what our Astronauts wear. Now, you are correct that that is what is worn underneath their Space Walk Suit. But, I would not call it something you would wear underneath BDU's. Sorry, it is already like a set of BDU's in that they have multiple cargo pockets, etc.
Well the problem with that is, a Spacesuit can not be worn over any other type of armor. So no running around in a HEL suit and if you have to go EV slipping into a Spacesuit. A HEL suit is lightweight enough to be worn on earth comfortably.
Edit to add: The last thing you want in a weightless environment is for a loose fold of cloth to get caught on something. So I see a HEL suit as a skin tight outfit much like the Form Fitting stuff, but too thick to be worn under any other armor much like the FF stuff can be.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 15 2011, 08:05 AM)
That is not what I see, however (nor what is described), I see a Space Station Suit like what our Astronauts wear. Now, you are correct that that is what is worn underneath their Space Walk Suit. But, I would not call it something you would wear underneath BDU's. Sorry, it is already like a set of BDU's in that they have multiple cargo pockets, etc.
You're simply not being consistant. This is hardly the definition of "thin, tight-fitting." Maybe your jeans are tight-fitting, but are they also thin? And if so, can you wear them underneath baggy jeans? I bet you can. In fact, I know you can - in New Jersey and when I went snowboarding in Colorado I would often wear 2 sets of sweats with jeans over them and 3+ pairs of socks.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2011, 09:38 AM)
You're simply not being consistant. This is hardly the definition of "thin, tight-fitting." Maybe your jeans are tight-fitting, but are they also thin? And if so, can you wear them underneath baggy jeans? I bet you can. In fact, I know you can - in New Jersey and when I went snowboarding in Colorado I would often wear 2 sets of sweats with jeans over them and 3+ pairs of socks.
And THAT suit is not what we are talking about, now are we. Look at what is worn on the Space Station, and you will see exactly what the HEL suit is being described as.
And I bet you were at least partly encumbered... In Fact, I would almost guarantee it.
You are in error. They wear T-shirts, shorts, and " long- or short-sleeve polo shirts or rugby shirts, as well as sweaters and pullovers," hardly things that would keep you safe in the vaccum of space.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2011, 09:54 AM)
You are in error. They wear T-shirts, shorts, and " long- or short-sleeve polo shirts or rugby shirts, as well as sweaters and pullovers," hardly things that would keep you safe in the vaccum of space.
Things may have changed since the last time I saw Station Operations, but What the Hel Suit is described as is what I remember seeing them wearing. The Suit for EVA is not it. I will look to see if I can find the relevant pic that I remember and strive to link it somehow, as I am Link Deficient.
AS for your T-Shirts and Pullovers. Not very protective in Vacuum are they.
Okay... It is called a Partial Pressure Suit. I would actually call it a Flight Suit, personally, but there you go. The pictures I found are for Vehicular Operations, and are capable of minimal protection against Vacuum, as long as the helmet is in place. Hmmm. Seems exactly what the HEL suit is described as. And it not something that you put underneath other clothes. You want Form Fitting Armor, Wear FFBA.
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 15 2011, 10:02 AM)
Things may have changed since the last time I saw Station Operations, but What the Hel Suit is described as is what I remember seeing them wearing. The Suit for EVA is not it. I will look to see if I can find the relevant pic that I remember and strive to link it somehow, as I am Link Deficient.
Are you possibly thinking of the thermal tube covered underlining that they wear on the under the hard EVA suits?
I think I know what you're talking about, and I still don't think it's correct. Plus, it goes against the description of the HEL suit, whereas the visual for EVA agrees with it (except the EVA lacks the hoodie+facemask). And I still assert you can wear baggy clothing over tight clothing and not suffer from it.
QUOTE (Miri @ Aug 15 2011, 10:04 AM)
Are you possibly thinking of the thermal tube covered underlining that they wear on the under the hard EVA suits?
Nope, the Partial Pressure Suit.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2011, 10:06 AM)
I think I know what you're talking about, and I still don't think it's correct. Plus, it goes against the description of the HEL suit, whereas the visual for EVA agrees with it (except the EVA lacks the hoodie+facemask). And I still assert you can wear baggy clothing over tight clothing and not suffer from it.
How do you equate the HEL suit to an EVA Suit. They are NOT the same thing. There is no way whatsoever, that you could every claim, the EVA suit is comfortable for everyday wear.
This not only irrelevant it's also inane. Please take it elsewhere.
QUOTE (Marwynn @ Aug 15 2011, 10:34 AM)
This not only irrelevant it's also inane. Please take it elsewhere.
Really? Hmmmm... Seemed pretty relevant to the conversation to me.
Even if it was a bit off topic.
No, it's completely irrelevant to the topic. And it is absolutely, positively inane.
I don't know. I think, if the space suit in question was meant to be FFBA - auto-corrected by my phone as TCHAIKOVSKY - then it would have associated language similar to FFBA. I, personally, wouldn't allow it, but whatever. Don't think there's a rule expressly forbidding that use of that equipment, so enjoy, if you like.
Note I'm not saying to STACK IT WITH OTHER ARMOR, just that you can WEAR BAGGY CLOTHES OVER CERTAIN TIGHT-FITTING ARMORS. This also includes, say, the Armor Vest or the Urban Explorer.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2011, 03:50 PM)
Note I'm not saying to STACK IT WITH OTHER ARMOR, just that you can WEAR BAGGY CLOTHES OVER CERTAIN TIGHT-FITTING ARMORS. This also includes, say, the Armor Vest or the Urban Explorer.
While I don't think the dayglow basic colour of the Urban Exploreris the best, I don't picture it as something of a tight fit, so, I doubt I'd wear anything over it, unless I was headed to the arctic and wanted a nice big (and warm) parka.
You could feasibly wear a shirt, pants, jacket, and possibly more over this.
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 15 2011, 04:01 PM)
You could feasibly wear a shirt, pants, jacket, and possibly more over this.
Yeah, alright. But I don't know if I'd consider that on par with an Urban Explorer. It doesn't look like it would offer much protection, and certainly not the 6/6 rating.
Of course not - we're not 60 years in the future with advanced ballistic fabrics.
QUOTE (Marwynn @ Aug 15 2011, 11:34 AM)
This not only irrelevant it's also inane. Please take it elsewhere.
Alright. I concede the argument anyway.
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