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Socinus
The Propulsion Upgrade (Flying) upgrade takes up 8 upgrade slots, yet dont weapons only have like 6 upgrade slots?

How does that work?
Yerameyahu
That's how the US legislature works. One writer wanted the dumb mod in, and another didn't. Instead of overruling the first one, he just made it unfundable. biggrin.gif

It also requires a Facility and costs about quadruple what a heavily modded gun costs, so you're better off just getting a small drone in the first place.
Xahn Borealis
It does say somewhere that the number of mod slots a certain weapon has is never set in stone, maybe a massive anti material rifle will have comparatively more slots than a holdout pistol?
Yerameyahu
But a huge gun would require even larger flight mods. Yes, the GM has full control, but that's true about all aspects of the game. It is a pretty silly oversight. smile.gif
Socinus
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Aug 16 2011, 10:49 PM) *
It does say somewhere that the number of mod slots a certain weapon has is never set in stone, maybe a massive anti material rifle will have comparatively more slots than a holdout pistol?

I was trying to find the specific rules regarding that but I cant seem to track them down
Yerameyahu
There are none. Everything has 6, except the GM can say otherwise.
Summerstorm
Eh. Overmodding, i guess.

It counts for vehicles, should count for weapons too (I am too lazy to look for it)

Rule say: "Ask your GM. Gm may allow overmodding at his/her conditions"
I like that rule. Allows you to slow down, weigh down, make unreliable etc. The stuff the players come up with... and they gladly accept it for layering on more armor, more speed, etc.
Yerameyahu
Seriously, though. Buy a Roto-Drone (2000) and a Weapon Mount, or a LEBD. (No, an Optic-X is too small, you munchkins. nyahnyah.gif )
Miri
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 16 2011, 04:08 PM) *
Seriously, though. Buy a Roto-Drone (2000) and a Weapon Mount, or a LEBD. (No, an Optic-X is too small, you munchkins. nyahnyah.gif )


Not for a Slivergun!

>.>

<.<
Seerow
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 16 2011, 10:08 PM) *
Seriously, though. Buy a Roto-Drone (2000) and a Weapon Mount, or a LEBD. (No, an Optic-X is too small, you munchkins. nyahnyah.gif )


No such thing as too small. My 1mm microdrone with 1 body can EASILY fire a LMG with no recoil whatsoever, and I don't care what you say to the contrary.
Neraph
QUOTE (Seerow @ Aug 16 2011, 05:30 PM) *
No such thing as too small. My 1mm microdrone with 1 body can EASILY fire a LMG with no recoil whatsoever, and I don't care what you say to the contrary.

This is both RAW and legal. rotate.gif
Miri
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 06:28 PM) *
This is both RAW and legal. rotate.gif


Geko grip tips ftw!
Neraph
In all seriousness though...

You'd basically have to Overmod to get it, and you're better off using a flying drone with a weapon mount. Or have the gun possessed with a Called spirit.
Mardrax
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 17 2011, 02:38 AM) *
You'd basically have to Overmod to get it, and you're better off using a flying drone with a weapon mount. Or have the gun possessed with a Called spirit.

A possessed gun can't fly. Nor can it walk. It can lie there and look menacing though. Arguably even fire itself, if it doesn't have purely electronic ignition through Skinlink/DNI.
Just like a possessed statue can't walk.
Neraph
It can if it's a Spirit of Man with the Levitate spell, or a Free Spirit with the Levitate spell. That's why I said Calling and not Summoning.
Yerameyahu
It's not RAW or legal (whatever the difference between those is), because the SR4A says 'down'. Arsenal loses. nyahnyah.gif Hehe.

You and your calling! Oy.
Dakka Dakka
It's even illegal without SR4A trumping Arsenal. A microdrone can only take microdrone modifications. a weapon mount is a standard modification.
QUOTE ('Arsenal p. 131')
Size and Type: Each modification is either a microdrone, minidrone, standard, or all modification. Microdrones can only be equipped with microdrone modifications; minidrones can only be equipped with microdrone and minidrone modifications; all other drones and vehicles can only be equipped with standard modifications. All means that the modifi cation is available for all vehicle sizes.

People tend to overlook that rule.
Neraph
Fine fine, we'll do it with a Ferrett.
Miri
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 17 2011, 09:27 AM) *
Fine fine, we'll do it with a Ferrett.


Do it with a KE P4 chase drone and run em down at speed 180.. then turn around and pump em full of lead :>
Modular Man
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 17 2011, 05:27 PM) *
Fine fine, we'll do it with a Ferrett.

No minidrones, either. Standard modifications are for small drones and larger, if you ignore SR4A stating "round down", of course. I tend to do that, because weapon mounts are way more detailed in "Arsenal". It consumes a lot of slots for something better than a fixed mount anyway. It's more expensive most of the time, too, and there's a new suggested rule for recoil compensation. Just too many differences for me.
Back on topic: Overmodding is the only chance to do it, yes.
Dakka Dakka
Also it has been "round down" in SR4 without A as well. The rules in Arsenal explicitly say that the weapon mount modification replaces the one from the BBB.
Yerameyahu
I just don't understand what's wrong with the MCT Roto or the LEDB. There's no *need* to cheat.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 17 2011, 11:03 AM) *
I just don't understand what's wrong with the MCT Roto or the LEDB. There's no *need* to cheat.


Agreed... Not sure what the reasoning is, but whatever it is, it is odd.
hobgoblin
Weird, never noticed. Not that i ever had a need for a flying gun (a crawling one however cyber.gif)
Neraph
QUOTE (Modular Man @ Aug 17 2011, 11:13 AM) *
No minidrones, either

Hrmm... I thought the ferrett was small. Man, I've been off my game recently (it may have something to do with not playing it for about a year...).
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 17 2011, 08:58 PM) *
Hrmm... I thought the ferrett was small. Man, I've been off my game recently (it may have something to do with not playing it for about a year...).


Looks like you are going to need a Mianline Infusion. You had better get cracking...
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