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Machiavelli
....i just reread the FAQ Area and saw this line. I am informed about the upcoming sourcebooks mentioned on the catalyst homepage but there is nothing that could fit to this very specific topic. Does, in the meantime, sombody else knows more?
Traul
Wasn't the FAQ written before all the main writers left? If so, the future sourcebook must be out somewhere in a parallel universe by now.
Machiavelli
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
Machiavelli
I heard about payment-problems and IIRC names like Ancient History and Patrick Goodman were mentioned, but i didnīt follow the topic in detail. So nobody is left or what?
hermit
Robert "Ancient History" Derie wanted to wrap up the Artefacts arch with a book work-titled High Magic which would introduce new and more powerful magics. I suppose this is what this refers to. Since the FAQ is treated by CGL like Errrata are (because it's customer service, not customer rip-off) , it's really that dated. Sorry. Patrick Goodman is still working for them (again, I think), but Derie and many others who wrote Shadowrun before War! left. Jason wanted to fill in with shanghaied Battletech writers and mercenaries he hired, and we got War! and Attitude.

Maybe they still want to publish this book, it's not known. Try asking on their heavily-policed we-all-love-Jason-Hardy forum where Hardy hangs out, he might answer the question in case he is less disorganised than usual.
Lansdren
From memory without checking

Ancient History would have been having a very large hand in the High Magic (I think it was called) sourcebook that was to follow the last artifacts book. His leaving the company would imply that things will not role out as they would before.

It is possible there will be a new magic suppliment but then again it could be that the FAQ just hasnt been looked at for a while (kind of like all the Errata)
ravensmuse
Here's a good timeline and cast of characters.

Really, that link has everything that needs to be said, because anything I would say would be biased.
MK Ultra
If you are lucky, you might find the answer to your question in this 'Artefacts Unbound' thing that has been anounced a while back.
Makki
JMH told me it's not gonna happen: http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?top...g60505#msg60505
Machiavelli
I wrote him a PM, maybe i get an answer? Would be great.

.....argh...Makki ninjad me.^^
hermit
So they're going with the dragonballs instead. Well, that's just like Hardy.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Again, Hermit. We are still waiting for you to do better. wobble.gif
Ancient History
Yeah, sorry about that. The FAQ was (finally) posted after I was out the door, probably because I told Jason I'd post it on my own website. For all the errors, trailing answers, what-not: mea culpa. Most of those answers were when freelancers disagreed on some fine point, so instead of making a new rule we put it off until an actual rulebook came out. It got nasty because I had some major disagreements with Aaron, and Running Wild threw some weird shit in there.

The Artifact adventures were not planned out with an actual ending; I was one of the people that argued for a proper ending book since the "Corruption" storyline was pretty much scrapped at that point. So I ended up writing Harlequin's Gambit with Jennifer Harding and Stephen McQuillian, a campaign to tie everything from the artifact adventures together and provide a satisfying (and suitably "big") ending. Along the way we were tying things into the upcoming High Magic sourcebook and Field Guide to Arcanoarcheology web supplement, both by Jennifer Harding and myself. All of that pretty much died. High Magic would have been like War! and Spy Games in concept - supplemental rules (for all levels of magic) and a setting to use them in (Portland, Tir Tairngire). The Field Guide was going to cover the major orgs: Atlantean Foundation, Draco Foundation, Apis Consortium, talislegging, and for rules there were going to be guidelines, rules, and examples for GMs to create their own unique artifacts, and ten sample artifacts based on images culled from existing SR art.

Anywho, my Harlequin's Gambit drafts are out there for anyone interested. At the very least the Cast of Shadows might be handy. I was going to stat Frosty but the project died before I got around to it.
Stahlseele
such a pity ._.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Sep 23 2011, 08:16 AM) *
Anywho, my Harlequin's Gambit drafts are out there for anyone interested. At the very least the Cast of Shadows might be handy. I was going to stat Frosty but the project died before I got around to it.


I don't think I have seen these yet, Ancient History. Where can they be found?
Dr.Rockso
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 23 2011, 10:45 AM) *
I don't think I have seen these yet, Ancient History. Where can they be found?

I think there's a link to them over at the Gaming Den, in the gigantic shadowrun thread. Also, I think they can be found on Stahlseele(I think)'s resurrected Ancient Files. I don't have time to get you a link right now, sorry. I hope you get a chance to read them, they're a great read and its a shame we won't ever see them published.
Udoshi
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 23 2011, 09:45 AM) *
I don't think I have seen these yet, Ancient History. Where can they be found?


Also curious - Bobby's material is basically made of gold to me.

If anyone is willing to dig up a link for the thread, that would be awesome.
Patrick Goodman
QUOTE (hermit @ Sep 23 2011, 05:31 AM) *
Patrick Goodman is still working for them (again, I think)....

I am, on a limited basis. Basically, if I see something that appeals to me, I bid for it. Since a lot of what I want to do has been largely ignored by everyone else, I typically get the stuff I really want.
Stahlseele
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Sep 24 2011, 12:43 AM) *
Also curious - Bobby's material is basically made of gold to me.

If anyone is willing to dig up a link for the thread, that would be awesome.

not sure if this is okay on Aunty Ancients Part though . .
http://danvolodar.ru/ancientfiles/index.html
We actually have a Stickied thread where this and the RapidShare RAR of the Ancient files are linked on the GERMAN OFFICIALY SHADOWRUN BOARD BY PEGASUS SPIELE.
hermit
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 23 2011, 04:29 PM) *
Again, Hermit. We are still waiting for you to do better. wobble.gif

Baiting again, TJ? wink.gif

QUOTE
the "Corruption" storyline

Primaira Varga [sic]?

Ancient History
It was actually planned before Ghost Cartels came out. Anyway, Link to the original thread for the HG stuff for the search-impaired.
Shortstraw
Sad. You have some good stuff there AH it's a pity the book never got written.

Edit - you have ALOT of good stuff there and it's going to take days to read through it properly.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (hermit @ Sep 25 2011, 03:24 AM) *
Baiting again, TJ? wink.gif


Not really, no. It is just intresting to note the number of people who claim that they can do better than the current Publiushers (and you are not the only one out there Hermit), and yet when push comes to shove, the output is Vaporware. Not a Bait, so much as a Point. It is actually much harder than it looks. smile.gif
Bigity
Yet as consumers, we don't have to be better at something to see flaws.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Bigity @ Sep 25 2011, 09:01 AM) *
Yet as consumers, we don't have to be better at something to see flaws.


True... But when the comments turn to "I could Do Better than those scrubs" my response is "Fish or cut bait."
Don't talk smack unless you can back it up. smile.gif
hermit
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 25 2011, 05:23 PM) *
Not really, no. It is just intresting to note the number of people who claim that they can do better than the current Publiushers (and you are not the only one out there Hermit), and yet when push comes to shove, the output is Vaporware. Not a Bait, so much as a Point. It is actually much harder than it looks. smile.gif

And you keep repeating that ad nauseum. We neither have the funds nor the wages of a Line Developer. We have jobs and education we need to take care of besides. Besides, you are the last person to demand anything or put words in anyone's mouth. You can't even manage meaningful internet forum posts. All you can do is write about yourself or bait.

Welcome to the ignore list, troll.
ravensmuse
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 25 2011, 12:13 PM) *
True... But when the comments turn to "I could Do Better than those scrubs" my response is "Fish or cut bait."
Don't talk smack unless you can back it up. smile.gif

But when one's own post history shows that they're clearly in lock-step with said developers...
ggodo
Oh good, the Argument Twins are at it again.
Grinder
Tymeaus Jalynsfein, hermit: this is a) going nowhere, b) totally annoying to the rest of the board members, c) annoying as hell. Did I mention that your constant bickering is annyoing? So stop that once and for all - that means in all threads on this board, not just in this specific case. Do you get this? Do you understand that? mad.gif
Machiavelli
Ok kids, itīs time to get back to topic before you bash your heads in. Not that we already knew it, but here the official answer from Jason Hardy regaring my PM on the official board. I hope it is ok for Mr. Hardy that i post it here, but i think we are all fans and hunger for official informations and therefore it is ok.

QUOTE
Von: "Jason Hardy" <jshadowrun@gmail.com>
Gesendet: 23.09.2011 14:27:06
An: niccolo_machiavelli@web.de
Betreff: Re: Ancient Files etc.


The specific book that refers too will not be coming out, but there are products on the way introducing some new magic elements, including the upcoming Conspiracy Theories.
Jason H.



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:08 AM, niccolo_machiavelli@web.de <Jshadowrun@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Mr. Hardy. Sorry for the interruption but i just overflew the FAQ-section and found in the magic section the phrase "will be mentioned in an upcoming sourcebook". I donīt want to discuss about the happenings in the past regarding freelancers, licences etc., i just wanted to know if you think this line will be still followed or not.

Thank you

Best regards

Machiavelli



--
Jason M. Hardy
Shadowrun Line Developer
Stormdrake
So the Artifacts Unbound Campaign book was the replacement for the High Magic book that was dropped because of the mess with writers. Where is the info that the Atrifact Unbound book is getting dropped comeing from?

Patrick Goodman
Last time I checked, Artifacts Unbound hadn't been dropped and was, in fact, being hammered upon vigorously. It's not out of the realm of the possible that things have changed, but I think someone would surely have let me know by now if that were the case.
Aaron
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Sep 23 2011, 10:16 AM) *
The Artifact adventures were not planned out with an actual ending;

Actually, they were planned with an actual ending, one that tied in with a novel (or two or three) that doesn't seem to be happening any more. Then it started changing, and then changing a lot. I don't know how much I'm allowed to say about the original and intermediate plots, but I think it's safe for me to say that it's probably the reason there are some seemingly disjointed bits in DotA4.

It was going to be pretty epic. Bull would have liked it.
CanRay
We were going to have novels?

...

*Sad Puppy Dog Eyes*
Ancient History
They were going to kill Ehran offscreen, frame Harlequin for it, and have Thera come back as a floating-island-full-of-wizards. It was a silly, stupid plot and was way too much like what they did with Forgotten Realms at the beginning of D&D 3.0.

[/edit]And don't lament the novels-unwritten. Loren wanted to write the tie-in for what would become the Artifact adventures.
HunterHerne
Huh. That would have been a disappointing way to go about it.
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Oct 2 2011, 01:29 PM) *
They were going to kill Ehran offscreen, frame Harlequin for it, and have Thera come back as a floating-island-full-of-wizards. It was a silly, stupid plot and was way too much like what they did with Forgotten Realms at the beginning of D&D 3.0.

[/edit]And don't lament the novels-unwritten. Loren wanted to write the tie-in for what would become the Artifact adventures.


So...
At this point the game would actually change its name to Magicrun, right?
I love magic as much as the next guy (heck, my favorite archetypes are adepts) but Thera returning from wherever it was, seems A LOT silly.

PS: Would Catalyst be able to use Thera? I though there were legal issues separating Earthdawn and Shadowrun, weren't there?
hermit
So, Shadowrun is to be made into Final Fantasy if Aaron and Coleman have anything to say about it. Reminds me of steampunk Nazis in a Nexus in Antarctica and teleporting islands full of ninja zombies who travel in time ...

Of course, with Aaron's apparent grasp on the metaplot (Harlequin, a friend of Erhan), that should be no big suprise.
Shortstraw
QUOTE (hermit @ Oct 3 2011, 07:22 AM) *
...teleporting islands full of ninja zombies who travel in time...


Gotta gets me summa that.
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