Tashiro
Feb 3 2012, 07:30 AM
So, when you summon a spirit, it will have skill ranks equal to it's Force. This makes me wonder though - if the spirit has skills of 6+ (from summoning, say, a Force 8 spirit), what the heck does the spirit know, and what can it teach to someone? I'm picturing a free spirit with Instruction 8 and a handful of skills that it can teach someone.
Udoshi
Feb 3 2012, 07:52 AM
I'm pretty sure that a spirit could only teach people as high as their potential allows: To their own maximum.
However, a spirit with a skill at 7 would make a really awesome justification for picking up Aptitude in play.
'Yeah, i learned to fence like this from the ghost of ZORRO. '
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 07:58 AM
Right...i could summon a spirit that could teach me various lessons in every skill it possesses. Never thought about it. Saves an instructor. Cool idea, stolen.^^
Udoshi
Feb 3 2012, 08:00 AM
Instruction allows Defaulting, so yeah, you're good.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 08:02 AM
Do spirits also have a skillcap at 9?
bobbaganoosh
Feb 3 2012, 08:17 AM
I don't see why spirits would have a skillcap at 9. They have skill ranks equal to Force. If Force is 12, then the spirit will have a skill at 12.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 08:33 AM
Muahahaha....geil (german for "cool"). This means from now on i will stick even more to a strict magical lifestyle. No contact to mere mundanes anymore. Yeah.^^
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 10:16 AM
And the Ghost of Bill Gates teaches you Computerhacking Skill at level 4 . .
pbangarth
Feb 3 2012, 10:27 AM
Instruction is a Social Skill. How would a spirit have it?
NiL_FisK_Urd
Feb 3 2012, 10:44 AM
get an ally spirit, give it instruction.
phlapjack77
Feb 3 2012, 11:11 AM
QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Feb 3 2012, 04:33 PM)
Muahahaha....geil (german for "cool"). This means from now on i will stick even more to a strict magical lifestyle. No contact to mere mundanes anymore. Yeah.^^
A few days ago a German guy taught me that geil can also mean something not-so-nice, so saying "Du bist sehr geil" could be taken one of two ways? I forget the specifics...
phlapjack77
Feb 3 2012, 11:16 AM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 3 2012, 06:27 PM)
Instruction is a Social Skill. How would a spirit have it?
I guess this trick works best for Tutor Sprites, not spirits? Then it goes all GITS and e-ghosts and stuff
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 11:29 AM
Yeah, Free Spirits. The open end power in Shadowrun...
So yeah, vampire has some wuffy fluffy clan founders, Shadowrun may have the spirit of the beard of chuck norris...
Manunancy
Feb 3 2012, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 3 2012, 11:16 AM)
And the Ghost of Bill Gates teaches you Computerhacking Skill at level 4 . .
and 'computercrashing' at 12...
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 3 2012, 12:11 PM)
A few days ago a German guy taught me that geil can also mean something not-so-nice, so saying "Du bist sehr geil" could be taken one of two ways? I forget the specifics...
Correct. Originally "geil" was a term for being happy, exhaustive etc. but (of course) it changed itīs meaning over time and in everydays language it is now a synonym for "horny" (e.g. related to a good looking woman) or "aroused". But mainly it is used, if you want to say that something is very good or cool.
phlapjack77
Feb 3 2012, 12:23 PM
Cool - thanks for the info
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 12:25 PM
You are welcome. If you ever come to germany i can teach you some really interesting words related to alcohol and drugs. ^^
Silverback
Feb 3 2012, 12:46 PM
I know it is slightly OT, but I thought the original meaning of "geil" was "horny". And the "cool" meaning evolved in the 1980s. Because of this, many old people were offended by its usage.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 12:55 PM
If "originally" means beginning of the 19th century you are correct. But with originally i was talking about ancient times german.^^ Check wikipedia for it. I also heard that it basically was a term of the hunters-language related to wild-pigs, but i couldnīt find a source as i looked for it. So, NOW we are finally completely off-topic.^^
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 01:00 PM
Geil can mean hot too.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 01:08 PM
But you are not talking about the german "heiss" (hot, in the sense of high temperature) you are talking about "hot" in sense of "horny//attractive", arentīt you?
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 01:27 PM
Yep.
Bin geil==(i) am horny.
Die ist geil==she is hot.
Geiles Auto==cool car.
Pizza ist heiss==Pizza is hot.
Geile Pizza==Tasty Pizza.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 01:56 PM
"Geil" is the german version of the english "fuck". It can mean everything and fits everywhere.^^
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 02:14 PM
More or less. Aside from geil usually not meaning anything bad.
Machiavelli
Feb 3 2012, 02:22 PM
Yeah, it is difficult to use "geil" in a negative way. Even if you say "du geile sau" it means that you are a hot *insert gender*. ^^
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 03:50 PM
"Geil" is the german word for horny.
Yes, in youth language it is sometimes used as a synonyme for "great" "cool" and similar.
I would however not use it freely, because it is quite important to know in which context to use it and in which it is understood...
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 07:05 PM
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 3 2012, 06:11 AM)
A few days ago a German guy taught me that geil can also mean something not-so-nice, so saying "Du bist sehr geil" could be taken one of two ways? I forget the specifics...
That translates to "You are very horny." (yay google)
I'm guessing that "geil" might be a slang term in one direction or another.
Edit:
Zaaah!
German Friend: geil has two meanings
Friend: sexually attractive or fat
Friend: though it's also slang for "cool" or "nice"
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 08:44 PM
@Draco18s
The phrase phlapjack77 is using is means something like: "Oh, you are so great!" (IRONY)
Thats why it is a word I would not use if I am not a native speaker. Like I would never use the word "fuck" in america..
You mostly just lack the idea when it is OK to say it.
Here the sentance:
Das ist aber "geil"!
Is used to say: Thats great!
Or it can be used to say: Thats fucked up!
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 3 2012, 03:44 PM)
@Draco18s
The phrase phlapjack77 is using is means something like: "Oh, you are so great!" (IRONY)
Thats why it is a word I would not use if I am not a native speaker. Like I would never use the word "fuck" in america..
You mostly just lack the idea when it is OK to say it.
I asked a native speaker about it, so I'll take his word for it.
German friend: "Du bist sehr geil" definitely means that he's sexually attracted to you
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 08:55 PM
@Draco18s
It depends, "du bist sehr geil" as "I am secually attracted to you" I have never heard in my life.
It is more often used as "Du bist ja sehr geil" meaning "You are an idiot".
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 3 2012, 03:55 PM)
@Draco18s
It depends, "du bist sehr geil" as "I am secually attracted to you" I have never heard in my life.
It is more often used as "Du bist ja sehr geil" meaning "You are an idiot".
Hey, all I'm doing is copy and pasting from the forum.
Google says that "Du bist ja sehr geil" is "you are very cool" which jives with the slang usage of the world "geil."
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 09:52 PM
Yep, geil is one of the most contextualized words in german i think . .
It can mean almost anything . .
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 10:28 PM
I'm still trying to work out how a word that can either mean "sexually attractive" or "fat" also ends up meaning "cool."
Unless it's one of those "large people are sexually attractive" (at one time in history) things and then the "That's phat!"* usage in slang.
Language is weird.
*Alternate spelling used to insure proper meaning.
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 10:31 PM
Geil NEVER means FAT . . PHAT it might possibly mean though . .
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 3 2012, 05:31 PM)
Geil NEVER means FAT . . PHAT it might possibly mean though . .
*Shrug* German friend of mine said it did.
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 10:39 PM
I happen to be german, and i never, ever, heard it being used like that . .
lunavoco
Feb 3 2012, 10:51 PM
Of all the RPGs I play, only SR has such a large portion of the community made of fans outside of the US.
Any good reason for this?
Does SR have fewer non-english boards so we all pile here?
It's made for a richer experience here, but it's still curious.
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 11:23 PM
@Stahlseele
I guess they are talking about Fett used as good, great.
Stahlseele
Feb 3 2012, 11:24 PM
Ah, that one . . yeah, that would fit again . .
Draco18s
Feb 3 2012, 11:36 PM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 3 2012, 05:39 PM)
I happen to be german, and i never, ever, heard it being used like that . .
Not doubting you. Was just saying.
Irion
Feb 3 2012, 11:41 PM
And this is why you should never use "slang" as a non-native-speaker.
You have a 20% change to use it wrong and you have a 50% chance, that the people you are talking to hate this kind of "slang"...
Machiavelli
Feb 6 2012, 09:50 AM
Yeah, but "geil" is quite harmless in comparison to "mejo" in the chinese language. This one can mean from "how are you" to "insert most insulting word" everything, depending on the intonation.
Draco18s
Feb 6 2012, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Feb 6 2012, 04:50 AM)
depending on the intonation.
Intonation differentiates most words in Chinese. As far as the Chinese are concerned, they're different words.
Machiavelli
Feb 6 2012, 03:35 PM
But most of the time with less massive possible consequences. ^^
Neraph
Feb 8 2012, 06:28 AM
Fascinating.
Machiavelli
Feb 8 2012, 06:33 AM
Indeed. German might not sound very nice, but it is incredibly flexible.
pbangarth
Feb 8 2012, 09:17 AM
I guess the context determines which meaning is most germane.
Stahlseele
Feb 8 2012, 10:49 AM
oi!
i'd demand for you to deposit 5 bucks into the pun jar, but that one was actually clever ^^
Manunancy
Feb 8 2012, 11:52 AM
It can be affected by where in germany tou are - Germany has been really unified in late 19th century, which means the local dialects can linger around (mass media tends to put them to an end, but dialects tends to be though critters as long as they're interfertile with mainstream language*).
Menaing that as long as the dialect speaker can understand the mainstream language and vice-versa, speaking the dialect has an easier time clinging to existence.
Faraday
Feb 8 2012, 12:56 PM
I'd just like to point out that this thread has taken a bit of an
unexpected turn.
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