It wasn't just the rest of the party. It kinda sounds like the GM isn't really happy. LoneStar showed up, took away his gear and jailed him for a bit. Although the GM didn't just have him summarily executed, so he hasn't totally screwed himself...yet.

That post just has "social calamity" dripping from it.

Well... perhaps you missed it, what with the confused lack of commas/paragraphs/complete sentences, but...

So it wasnt *necessarily* just the GM being an ass along with the party... perhaps this particular GM prefers to take a back seat and let things play out as they should given the player's actions.

(NOTE:Malokei - the opening statement was not intended as a flame, Rather, it was a reasonably accurate observation. If you would prefer a higher average quality of response, you could help attain one by putting a little more effort into making your post readable.)

LOL. I think i'll keep that one for a rainy day, i'll file it under the Kanada Gambit.

Question is, who?

Maybe I'm just touchy... I don't think we're hearing the whole story.

Malokei, please don't take offense, I just don't think your as innocent as you claim to be. And as your involved in the situation, I believe your view point has been clouded largely by your emotions.

Like someone already mentioned, a cheap knife is all you need in addition to the Stunball-spell.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing, in and of itself. It's just a different style of play. You may just be searching for a different type of game then the rest of the group wants to play. That's not a bad thing either. But either side enforcing their view at the expense of another person's enjoyment of the game is.

And I'm sure you had nothing to do with the current conflict within your group. Despite the fact it seems your the only one that appearently sees it that way.

SR has never had any common sense from the real world. Note the thread about Rewriting Canon. Treat it as it is, a storytelling tool to play a game in a near future dystopic fantasy.

Um, sorry to burst yer bubble, but there shouldn't be any competition within the group. It's a cooperative game so that all can enjoy themselves together. There is no winning in roleplaying games.

If their enjoyment of the game comes from that, why begrudge them it? Most people do eventually either seek out a higher level of roleplaying, or go to console gaming which has a much easier mental investment.

Depends. If everyone realizes it's just a game and it's all kept in game and no one's emotions are touched it doesn't matter. It's when the emotions start flying that there is a problem.

And there really isn't anything intrinisically wrong with "munchkins" they just have a different way of enjoying the game. It's not wrong, just different.

Be honest with yourself here, if he tried put a stop to it, but one you didn't agree with, would you accept it?

Here's the thing I see, your GM is caught in a hard place. He doesn't want to rule in any one person's favor, there by pissing off the others. As I assume you're all friends, I have to assume he doesn't want this to be the cause of the end of any friendships.

However you and the "munchkins" are both emotionally involved at this point, and finding an answer that satisfies both is likely to be a very hard job.

Why is this the sole responsibility of the GM? Everyone there has a stake in making the time invested enjoyable for all. You included. Your best answer is to divest yourself of the emotions around the situation and talk to your GM about the situation, rationally. No getting mad. None. Not even a little bit.

That is a very bad idea. This is an out of character problem amongst the players of the group, carrying the aggression into the game is a passive aggressive move that will not solve your problems as you hope.

That, and line breaks are your friend.

Basic Psychology, if in a group of people you believe you are the only sane person, you need to question your sanity. Same with idiots. You may want to evaluate their position. If most of a group feels one way and you feel another what thet makes YOU the dissenter in the group. you are the one doing things differently and at ends with the party. Just a thought.

Perhaps their munch-fu is weak.

Seriously though - as otehrs have said, you need to find out WHY they wanted to kill your character. Have you been a general weenie to them? (hey, it happens, not even intentionally) Are they just messing with you? Would they appreciate having their characters annihilated by fellow players?

Again, WHY have they taken this aggressive stance against you? Perhaps there have been points in the past where you have [or your character has] refused to compromise on other issues? Do you constantly berate them for their love of the Roll-play (which, again, often does have its place)?

As Nezumi said -- talk to the otehr players. Find out what's up, out of game. During the week, maybe. Are they playing it from in-character reasons (if so, what are they? That might help you understand the reasons)?

Ask if they are interested in roleplay, or want a deathmatch scenario. If they want the former, then try to reason with them. If they want the latter, and you can agree to do it without hurtung your friendships ... well, I say you should sacrifice your character to show that their munch-fu is no match for yours.

On the surface, it sounds as if this group is interested in a very different style of play than you are interested in; you can either play with them, or against them, or with another group.


As a last resort: If they insist on makign life hard on your character, tell them explicitly that you will play dirty, and NOT stop until all of them have been annihilated, and you all have to start over with new characters (since your shaman will retire after this, or will die trying). Then proceed to Smite them.

Ways to fight dirty:
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(1) Make an example of one.

I imagine this would be the ork you mentioned. Have him killed publically, and make it well known to the other players that you will go after them next if they don't back off. If they see you annihilate one of them, with in-character motivation/means, they will back off (or kill your character... ), and will definitely think twice about doign it again later. Everyone loves the "We'll kill you before you can kill all of us!" thing, but NO ONE wants to be the first one to die.

If you have a personal fortune (haha yeah right), devote half or moreof it to a 3rd-party-administered reward for whoever kills him. Make this public knowledge on Shadowland, and any other shadow circles. just any gang will LOVE to have a few hundred thousand newyen. Which means he will be seeing those wanna-be's for a long time.

Ask your GM if you can spend karma to buy HIM a Hunted flaw to represent this. Or three.

If you don't. I highly recommenwd the stunbolt + whatever combo. Stunbolt him mercilessly. Then kill him at your leisure.

(2) Make it "to the pain". As above, but follow Westley's advice. This ork will be very ineffective if he has no eyes, no tongue, no hands, no genitals (ouch!)

(3)Hi to Homeland Security. This is all in the context of a game, we don't really mean this for real life. I swear.

(4) Make it publically known that he is a child molester / killer. Pay a decker to have this information put into his criminal record, screamsheets, etc. No one likes a perv, he'll go down.

(5) Stunbolt him, then sell him to an organlegger.

(6) Stunbolt him, then pay to have his cyberware replaced with a simrig, RAS override, and then sell him to a black market sex ring as a slave. Hey, you didn't KILL the character . . .



Anything that doens't kill him, but renders him useless, is an added bonus. Permanent crippling things like quariplegic-ness or loss of sense organs, or drug/BTL addictions, or the #6 above -- all are sick and twisted, have major style points as they are harder to pull off, etc.



Again, all ofthese should be LAST resorts -- you need to try to resolve game pettiness out of game. If you can't, then perhaps you can agree to a Free For All.

I admit that I was a bit extreme in my sugestions, but ... you know... now that you know, you might go (IC of course) to the Yakuza that they've gotten in troublewith, and offer to give him the information, as well as a "donation" to their coffers if they do one of those things to said character.