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Neraph
QUOTE (Modular Man @ Oct 15 2012, 08:37 AM) *
Gladly, Gunnery is a vehicle skill smile.gif

Right, but it isn't a Vehicle Test, as described by SR4A, page 168; it is a Gunnery Test (page 171).
Miri
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 15 2012, 09:49 AM) *
Right, but it isn't a Vehicle Test, as described by SR4A, page 168; it is a Gunnery Test (page 171).


That would make a Control Rig a 0.5 Essence costing piece of hardware that can't be used for one of the more important dice pools for a combat rigger.
KarmaInferno
Yes.

Nobody ever said it was a good rule, but that is the text of the rule.

Feel free to houserule it otherwise.




-k
Neraph
That would also be exactly what the rules say. Provide a quotation that states that Gunnery Tests are actually Vehicle Tests and I'll cede the point. However, Vehicle Tests are still important for things like not crashing, getting more speed out of a vehicle, and pulling off stunts, so it's not completely worthless.
Miri
QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 15 2012, 10:08 AM) *
That would also be exactly what the rules say. Provide a quotation that states that Gunnery Tests are actually Vehicle Tests and I'll cede the point. However, Vehicle Tests are still important for things like not crashing, getting more speed out of a vehicle, and pulling off stunts, so it's not completely worthless.


Well the exact wording of the Control Rig says "all Vehicle skill tests" and not "all Vehicle tests" so I would argue that since Gunnery is listed under Vehicle Skills you would get the control rig bonus when shooting.
Falconer
Exactly... once again diction and grammar are important Neraph.

The rulebook gives the control rig bonus to vehicle skill tests. Gunnery is a vehicle skill (as are all the pilot skills). It also gets the bonus.
Neraph
QUOTE (Miri @ Oct 15 2012, 10:27 AM) *
Well the exact wording of the Control Rig says "all Vehicle skill tests" and not "all Vehicle tests" so I would argue that since Gunnery is listed under Vehicle Skills you would get the control rig bonus when shooting.

Hrm. I read it as "Vehicle Tests." I remember just in the past week posting that it does apply to Gunnery but not other skills, but when I looked at it this morning I guess I skipped the word "skill."
Udoshi
"Vehicle Tests" are under the same nebulous category as "matrix tests"
Neraph
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 16 2012, 02:18 PM) *
"Vehicle Tests" are under the same nebulous category as "matrix tests"

Not really. Vehicle skill tests and Vehicle Tests are two different things. Vehicle Tests are plainly listed on page 168 of SR4A.
Neraph
QUOTE (Miri @ Oct 8 2012, 12:05 PM) *
It never occurred to me to put a Turbocharger in a Manservent and while that will give it human like accel it doesn't do anything to bump the speed. An engine mod: speed bumps the speed up a whopping 3pts to 18 :/.

Been thinking about this since I saw it. Yes, your Acceleration speeds are higher than your top Speed, but the Speed attribute is simply the fastest "safe" speed the vehicle can go. Obviously, if you're "running" with a humanoid drone you're going a bit faster than is safe.
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