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Halinn
Don't forget that Harlequin's given stats don't represent *all* that he is capable of, only what he feels might be needed this far into the 6th world.
As far as sustaining spells go, the ~20 various sustaining foci he carries around should take care of things.
Lionhearted
My pockets are pretty full carrying around less then 10 items, damn you bag of holding!
Faelan
QUOTE (Halinn @ Dec 11 2012, 12:12 PM) *
Don't forget that Harlequin's given stats don't represent *all* that he is capable of, only what he feels might be needed this far into the 6th world.
As far as sustaining spells go, the ~20 various sustaining foci he carries around should take care of things.


Don't get me wrong, it is just a personal opinion. I'm sure he works fine for most people as stated, however for me it misses certain points. In the Earthdawn line he is very clearly a Swordmaster first Wizard second. I mean they are Knights of the Crimson Spire, not Wizards of the Crimson Spire, or as he puts it now the Crying Spire.
Lionhearted
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 11 2012, 06:25 PM) *
I mean they are Knights of the Crimson Spire, not Wizards of the Crimson Spire, or as he puts it now the Crying Spire.

Knight is a title not an occupation as far as Im aware, nothing says a wizard can't be a knight.
Halinn
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 11 2012, 06:25 PM) *
Don't get me wrong, it is just a personal opinion. I'm sure he works fine for most people as stated, however for me it misses certain points. In the Earthdawn line he is very clearly a Swordmaster first Wizard second. I mean they are Knights of the Crimson Spire, not Wizards of the Crimson Spire, or as he puts it now the Crying Spire.

Which is probably why has 7 Blades, and "only" 6 in the various casting skills. The force 16 weapon focus isn't hurting either.
Faelan
QUOTE (Halinn @ Dec 11 2012, 02:53 PM) *
Which is probably why has 7 Blades, and "only" 6 in the various casting skills. The force 16 weapon focus isn't hurting either.


Improved Ability would not hurt either. Just saying it seemed like a narrow choice for the character in question.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 11 2012, 01:04 PM) *
Improved Ability would not hurt either. Just saying it seemed like a narrow choice for the character in question.


With 35 Base Dice (7 Skill, 10 Agility, +2 Specialty and +16 Weapon Focus) Do you really think he needs the peasly +3 Dice from Improved Ability? I don't.
Harlequin is FAR from being Narrow. smile.gif
sk8bcn
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 12 2012, 03:37 AM) *
With 35 Base Dice (7 Skill, 10 Agility, +2 Specialty and +16 Weapon Focus) Do you really think he needs the peasly +3 Dice from Improved Ability? I don't.
Harlequin is FAR from being Narrow. smile.gif


peuh...

Just using magical equipement to look good. So weak otherwise
biggrin.gif
Faelan
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 11 2012, 09:37 PM) *
With 35 Base Dice (7 Skill, 10 Agility, +2 Specialty and +16 Weapon Focus) Do you really think he needs the peasly +3 Dice from Improved Ability? I don't.
Harlequin is FAR from being Narrow. smile.gif


You see I don't think you get to be his age by counting on having a magic toy on hand at all times.
bannockburn
Nor by slinging significant mojo around, when there's no mojo around. No distinction between adept and mage magic, there.
In other words: He survived (as most other immortals do) because he's smart. And crazy. But mainly smart.
However, there's no real reason for him to be using adept powers when he has anchored spells that boost his attributes (hm, much like adept powers, aren't they? wink.gif )
He has 19 dice with his sword, focus power not included. That's only one less than MY adept, and that's with a customized grip factored in. Were my char to use a generic sword, he'd have a whopping 15 dice. So, there.
It does not really matter, though. The second you need to roll stuff for him, you're browbeating your players with a spiked electrified mace covered in dikote.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 12 2012, 06:24 AM) *
You see I don't think you get to be his age by counting on having a magic toy on hand at all times.


19 Dice is just SO insignificant...
And he has Magic, even in a Mana Void, he has Magic; and his Quickened Spells/Sustaining Foci (Rating 20, Right?) even still work in a Mana Void, so yeah, he is pretty insignificant. *shrug*
Faelan
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 12 2012, 09:09 AM) *
19 Dice is just SO insignificant...
And he has Magic, even in a Mana Void, he has Magic; and his Quickened Spells/Sustaining Foci (Rating 20, Right?) even still work in a Mana Void, so yeah, he is pretty insignificant. *shrug*


I get the opposing point, except for the fact that he has decided to mess with Ghostwalker. How is he going to get near him without having all his Quickened spells pop. I guess if Extended Masking works against Wards that answers that.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 12 2012, 07:33 AM) *
I get the opposing point, except for the fact that he has decided to mess with Ghostwalker. How is he going to get near him without having all his Quickened spells pop. I guess if Extended Masking works against Wards that answers that.


Yes, It answers that. Extended Masking covers your foci and spells. Masking gets you through wards undetected (Assuming successful rolls of course). Extended Masking should allow your spells/foci to pass as well, because they are covered by your MASKING, which is what it does. *shrug*
sk8bcn
biggrin.gif Did you know: Harlequin can simply laugh to augment his allies willpower. It's Heartening Laugh, an adept power. Each success adds 1 die to the pool of dices for the ally.


No it's not written in the sourcebook sarcastic.gif Really? Well he can anyway.


Because I make what I want in my game.



Quite honestly, I never understood the rage back in the days because Harlequin had no stats nor the discussions why he only has X dices in that nowadays...
Faelan
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Dec 12 2012, 09:41 AM) *
Yes, It answers that. Extended Masking covers your foci and spells. Masking gets you through wards undetected (Assuming successful rolls of course). Extended Masking should allow your spells/foci to pass as well, because they are covered by your MASKING, which is what it does. *shrug*


Assuming you ran into ward while your extended masking is up (which I would assume is damn near all the time) do you get a chance to sneak by or do you roll as if being forced through. Or is it assumed that since wards interact with an active aura that one can literally decide to appear as a mundane and walk right through it. Just asking because last time I checked there was still an ongoing discussion as to how it worked.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Faelan @ Dec 12 2012, 08:25 AM) *
Assuming you ran into ward while your extended masking is up (which I would assume is damn near all the time) do you get a chance to sneak by or do you roll as if being forced through. Or is it assumed that since wards interact with an active aura that one can literally decide to appear as a mundane and walk right through it. Just asking because last time I checked there was still an ongoing discussion as to how it worked.


Assuming you have the information to try to sleaze through the ward, you get to do that. Of course, if you just want to bash it down, Masking is of little use for that. You cannot appear as a Mundane with Masking and just walk through a Ward. Does not work that way. There are very specific rules for using Masking to penetrate a Ward without setting it off.
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