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Freya
QUOTE (GiraffeShaman @ Jul 1 2013, 02:01 PM) *
Forgive the me if this is a stupid question, as I don't have the SR5 rules yet. But isn't it possible that there are cheap decks with terrible stats that exist, they just aren't on that list? Kind of like the free cyberdeck you get on the Genesis SR video game.


I'm 90% sure there are, yes. Whether the stats on them are high enough to be useful is another question, which I don't know the answer to. (I only have the versions of the Matrix chapter that I proofed, not the one that was released with the actual book, so I can't speak to what the published version is.)

Edit: Never mind, RHat noted that the deck he's talking about in the OP was the cheapest one available.
Nal0n
If I interpret the posted hints correctly Decks start at like 50 to 75 thousand NuYen.
DireRadiant
NPC Deckers are as dangerous and common as the GM makes them.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Nal0n @ Jul 1 2013, 03:47 PM) *
If I interpret the posted hints correctly Decks start at like 50 to 75 thousand NuYen.


50k, 100k, 200k are the three lowest. smile.gif
Larsine
QUOTE (GiraffeShaman @ Jul 1 2013, 10:01 PM) *
Forgive the me if this is a stupid question, as I don't have the SR5 rules yet. But isn't it possible that there are cheap decks with terrible stats that exist, they just aren't on that list? Kind of like the free cyberdeck you get on the Genesis SR video game.

Standard cyberdecks runs from 49,500¥ to 823,250¥
GiraffeShaman
My point was that the Genesis SR video game starter deck (A Sony or something) that you get from Stoker the Dwarf was so terrible in stats that it didn't exist on the regular equipment lists in the 2nd edition SR book.

Is the 50,000 deck so terrible in stats that you can't possible have a worse one out there? Let's call it the Kmart Bluelate Special for kicks. Is there a way to have one lower than those in that list?
DireRadiant
QUOTE (GiraffeShaman @ Jul 1 2013, 05:25 PM) *
Is the 50,000 deck so terrible in stats that you can't possible have a worse one out there? Let's call it the Kmart Bluelate Special for kicks. Is there a way to have one lower than those in that list?


Those would be Attribute 0 decks...
Moirdryd
I would imagine that so e hacking is still doable via Commlink and whatever "legal" systems are released much like Cyberterminals used to be.
Sendaz
LoneStar in the interest of heading off budding hackers, now monitors all credstick activity and is flagged when ever a 50k or higher purchase is made at the local ARShack as it is mostly likely someone buying a deck off the rack. nyahnyah.gif

Yes, you wouldn't buy them in quite this manner, but still....
RHat
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 1 2013, 03:26 PM) *
Those would be Attribute 0 decks...


Is there a reason why you can't have arrays like 3, 2, 1, 1 other than the fact that the book doesn't contain such a deck (Bull noted that the cheapest one has the array 4, 3, 2, 1)?
Werewindlefr
QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Jul 1 2013, 05:30 PM) *
I would imagine that so e hacking is still doable via Commlink and whatever "legal" systems are released much like Cyberterminals used to be.

Without Sleaze and Attack attributes, I don't see how hacking is doable.
Moirdryd
Without seeing the system, me neither, but back when it was Cyberdecks and Cyberterminals you could use the Cyberterminals for some very very low grade "hacking" you just wouldn't be doing it for very long is all or against anything more than a Blue Host at the very most.
Rudimentary, basic, doable and unhealthy.

Until I see the rules it's just a supposition.
DireRadiant
Turtles?
Moirdryd
Totally.
RHat
QUOTE (Serbitar @ Jul 1 2013, 06:10 AM) *
If thats the case, then the decker should stop decking and start selling his cyberdecks and become rich.


This makes many assumptions of the market for decks which are not likely valid.

And as an aside, I just don't get why so many people are apparently exclusively making characters who run only to make money.
Sendaz
QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 3 2013, 01:43 AM) *
This makes many assumptions of the market for decks which are not likely valid.

And as an aside, I just don't get why so many people are apparently exclusively making characters who run only to make money.

I don't think its exclusively, but money = shiny new gear = face points/bragging rights.

It's sort of like the old adage if winning isn't important, why keep score?

That said most players will have a backstory and an end goal they want to reach, but often do not go into great detail every single time they talk about themselves (though some do, the annoying ones are those who do it EVERYTIME you see them in game, sort of like that bartender in the Hamilton novels nyahnyah.gif )
RHat
QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jul 3 2013, 01:34 AM) *
I don't think its exclusively, but money = shiny new gear = face points/bragging rights.


Yeah, but that's not the sort of thing that statements like "then he should just quit running and sell decks" implies.
Sendaz
QUOTE (RHat @ Jul 3 2013, 03:37 AM) *
Yeah, but that's not the sort of thing that statements like "then he should just quit running and sell decks" implies.

Well I took Serbitar to mean he was questioning why he had to learn building skills when he just wants to run the deck.

Hence his comment about why not just build and sell the decks then.

From my point of view I think most deckers should have some building/programming skills so they can go beyond the mere operation of 'off the rack' hardware and software.

They might not start out with much (just a few points to show they have the basics) but they can build on it as they improve.

Most of your best console cowboys would be the ones who overclocked/tweaked/otherwise upgraded their systems to get that extra edge.

It's just a difference in perspective really. Some of your race drivers just drive the car and have a pit crew to keep it in top shape, others will have been more hands on with the vehicle both on and off the track.

Does either method make the superior driver? YMMV. The first can focus more into the pure driving, the latter probably can squeeze a bit more performance out of the vehicle to augment his skills.. Running as one so to speak.
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