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Lurker37

Jul 16 2013, 01:56 AM

QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 16 2013, 06:30 AM)

Witch is followed by this:
"but you don’t have to settle for
that limit forever. You can go through a process called
Initiation(p. 324) that can enhance your abilities. The
maximum value of your Magic Attribute (if you have
one) is 6 + your Initiation level"

And even more annoyingly Bull flat out denied that it is in need of errata

Of course it doesn't. The rule you quoted also assumes no essence loss due to cyberware etc. It's a general rule, that gets overridden by specific rules.

GiraffeShaman

Jul 16 2013, 02:42 AM

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Any medium-size airport will probably have someone who can Assence (p. 312) because that power puts pretty much every sensor to shame. In the immortal words of a great man "Assensing is straight up DAWG TIME! Awooawooooawoo!" It can determine if you are a technomancer or have gene treatments, and note if you are under the influence of anything. This is not resistable except using Masking (p. 326) and even then a skilled practitioner will note if you are using masking with a single net hit (if he can't get much other useful info he can still demand you drop the Masking or "You shall not ... PASS!!!"). No amount of skill will disguise this stuff from the Assense test.

There are 2 new foci types to thwart assensing in SR5.

Ricochet

Jul 16 2013, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jul 15 2013, 10:46 AM)

Max already covered it (your new limit on magic is simply +1 after the quality). Here's my question, given the order of operations for character creation, can you purchase that extra magic point with special ATT points or do you have to purchase it with karma at the end?

I wondered the same thing, but the character creation examples clearly show you being able to declare your intention of taking the quality to raise an attribute or skill, and then to use the normal point pools from the appropriate step.

Ricochet

Jul 16 2013, 04:27 PM

In our missions group, we didn't start out with a maxed out essence on either of our combat characters.

Our orc ganger was a built on a budget character (resources D):
He only picked up wired reflexes 1 and plastic bone lacing, leaving him at 3.5 essence, so he has tons of room to expand, and has a very solid basis of skills and attributes to go with the little bit of ware he started with. (The character plans to cyber up over time, and is a looting machine to pay for it.)

Our former corporate bodyguard actually went big budget (resources A):
Alphaware Cybereyes 3 (decked out), Alphaware Cyberears 3 (decked out), Alphaware Muscle Toner 2, Alphaware Muscle Augmentation 2, Alphaware Bone Density Augmentation 3, and a Synaptic Booster 2. With all of that I believe his essense was sitting at an even 3.0, so even without upgrading, he can double the amount of cyberware/bioware he puts in. Having seen the character in action for one session, that was quite the combination of ware.

Slide

Jul 16 2013, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Ricochet @ Jul 16 2013, 05:27 PM)

In our missions group, we didn't start out with a maxed out essence on either of our combat characters.

Our orc ganger was a built on a budget character (resources D):
He only picked up wired reflexes 1 and plastic bone lacing, leaving him at 3.5 essence, so he has tons of room to expand, and has a very solid basis of skills and attributes to go with the little bit of ware he started with. (The character plans to cyber up over time, and is a looting machine to pay for it.)

Our former corporate bodyguard actually went big budget (resources A):
Alphaware Cybereyes 3 (decked out), Alphaware Cyberears 3 (decked out), Alphaware Muscle Toner 2, Alphaware Muscle Augmentation 2, Alphaware Bone Density Augmentation 3, and a Synaptic Booster 2. With all of that I believe his essense was sitting at an even 3.0, so even without upgrading, he can double the amount of cyberware/bioware he puts in. Having seen the character in action for one session, that was quite the combination of ware.

you need to check your corp body guard for avaliblity. I'm not gonna go pulling out my rule book but since alpha ware adds +2 to availability, a lot of those things he can't get as alpha.

binarywraith

Jul 16 2013, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 16 2013, 02:18 PM)

you need to check your corp body guard for avaliblity. I'm not gonna go pulling out my rule book but since alpha ware adds +2 to availability, a lot of those things he can't get as alpha.

The only one that's off is the Bone Density, everything else is 12 or under.

Alphaware Bone Density Aug 3 is Availability 14.

Chance359

Jul 17 2013, 01:17 AM

getting alpha bioware at character gen seems like a waste of money. given how little essence it costs already, I'm not seeing the return on investment.

Slide

Jul 17 2013, 03:59 AM

QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 16 2013, 11:23 PM)

The only one that's off is the Bone Density, everything else is 12 or under.

Alphaware Bone Density Aug 3 is Availability 14.

after actually checking you are correct.

Ricochet

Jul 17 2013, 04:07 AM

Checking with that player, their bone density wasn't alpha either.

And basically, all the alphaware meant they could go ahead and fill up with other stuff later without having to worry about essence as he makes money.