EDIT: My argument looks invalid. Page 433 directly says the Smartlink (AKA: your Eyes) needs to be on wireless to get the bonus, despite it being the description for Smartgun system's wireless functions. It might be an editing error, but by RAW my whole argument below is wrong.QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 6 2013, 01:35 AM)

if it's directly connected to the online device, communicating with it, taking the data from the matrix, how the hell is it not online?
The Smartgun is online and gaining information from the matrix. It has an Icon on the Matrix because of this. The Smartlink in your eyes is simply getting telemetry data from the gun and projecting it into your field of vision. It's not directly getting anything form the internet/matrix. It is linked, via direct connection (Datajack) to the gun, but 5th edition does not currently have any matrix rules for "nodes" and hacking devices through them.
Mind you, this setup only works with a hardline from gun to the cybereyes... which is to say a Datajack. Without a jack to link the cybereyes to the gun, the eyes would need the wireless turned on to connect to the gun, which would make it a valid target for hacking because they would have an Icon on the matrix. It's that simple.
QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 6 2013, 01:35 AM)

if the data can reach from the matrix, through your smartgun, to your cybereyes, then they must have a connection to the matrix.
The matrix data is reaching the Smartgun, which is making use of the data to aid in aiming. The gun is then passing along it's target info and data on weapon status to the smartlink via datacable and jack, and the smartlink is providing that information into the user's field of view. The smartlink is not requesting any more or less data than if the smartgun had it's wireless off too, it's just that the targeting data is better. In order to hack the smartlink/eyes you would need to have the eyes accepting network protocols and communications beyond targeting info... but for that you'd need it's wireless on.
QUOTE (Jaid @ Aug 6 2013, 01:35 AM)

you seem to think that you can magically make everything unhackable, yet still retain 100% of it's matrix functionality. if that was the case, then nothing would be hackable.
It isn't 100% unhackable by a long-shot. The Smartgun is still
very much hackable, brick-able, etc. It's not circumventing the rules those rules.
Moreover, you aren't getting all the wireless bonuses in this setup either.
The bonus for having the wireless on for your smart
gun is a dicepool bonus.
The bonus for having the wireless on for you smart
ink is that you don't have to run a hardline from the gun to the smartlink, which includes such tricks as firing the gun when you aren't even holding it, or disabling the gun if someone else has it. That's a lot tougher to do if you are using a datajack and cable.
QUOTE (Sendaz @ Aug 6 2013, 07:19 AM)

the concept is supposed to be that it accesses further information from the matrix, like wind speeds at your location and targets, etcc...
That's the smart
gun getting that a information. The smart
link is just heads up display info for the user. They aren't the same thing, and if both devices have their wireless on, they each have their own icon. Hacking the smartgun only messes up the gun, not the eyes, and similarly hacking the eyes messes with the eyes not the gun.
If you're smart enough to invest in a datajack and have the time to run the cable to your gun before using them, then congratulations, you've managed to protect your eyes. This setup does not magically give the eyes a safe matrix connection. Your vision enhancement, for example, is not getting it's bonus unless the eyes have their wireless on too.
To extend the rules to "if any hardline linked device, including such as implanted devices, are online, then all of them are online" means that if you have any wireless enabled implants turned on, then all of them are online, which will really cause a lot of trouble for street samurai: either everything on or everything off. Instead the rules are designed so that you can pick and choose which devices you want to risk for the reward. The reward for the smartlink is not the same as the reward for the smartgun. You can risk them separately.
Edit:QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Aug 5 2013, 10:48 PM)

Great ultimate security, wire everything into a cheap Meta Link and the only thing that can be wirelessly hacked is a ¥300 commlink that you can throw away if it happens to be bricked.
If you wire everything into a commlink, and only have the wireless on for the commlink, then none of your other devices get their wireless bonuses or features. For a device to get it's wireless bonuses or functions, it must be on the matrix and therefore has an icon that can be hacked. At issue here is that in order to get the functions of the smartgun, it must be linked to a smartlink via cable or matrix. The functions of the smartgun, on the other hand, are different depending on if IT has a matrix connection.
QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Aug 5 2013, 10:48 PM)

Of course, this cuts both ways. Where does it say that your wired connections like this are able to pass the same way on the way out?
The Core rules don't actually define what happens if you hardline link devices to each other for the purpose of sharing a matrix connection. This is actually a bit of an issue when it comes to things like Datajacks and Noise (IE: jamming). by RAW, all of your gear and implants have their own device ratings and can be jammed if the local noise is higher than those ratings. In theory connecting a wireless enabled datajack to the device provides 1 point of noise reduction, but there are no rules for linking devices via hardline to use a strong device rating to handle noise.
I've
proposed a house rule that covers connecting devices through hardline to allow matrix connections via other devices. In that setup, the connected devices use the highest Device rating (likely a commlink) for the purposes of overcoming noise, but they each still have their own icon if they are on the matrix (IE: Getting their wireless functionality and bonuses) so it doesn't alter how hacking works.