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Stahlseele
And still no simple Check Magic: Yes/No.
Vegetaman
Just beat Dragonfall and had no issues on my Vista box. It was pretty awesome. A solid 16 hours of gameplay and good story.
Wounded Ronin
Still haven't figured out how to run mods, but am REALLY ENJOYING Dragonfall!
Stahlseele
there are no mods for dragonfall yet.
i think the only UGC mod for dragonfall is one that imports your DMS character into Dragonfall.
CanRay
Only thing I have to say about Dragonfall is "F***ING TASERS!!!"
Stahlseele
you're doing it wrong then.
max out shotguns and you will NEVER need anything else really.
get smartlink, get eyes, bam, almost always hit and do grivioous damage too.
fuck that vindicator, it sucks compared to the burst fire shotgun option ._.
CanRay
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 3 2014, 09:09 PM) *
you're doing it wrong then.
max out shotguns and you will NEVER need anything else really.
get smartlink, get eyes, bam, almost always hit and do grivioous damage too.
fuck that vindicator, it sucks compared to the burst fire shotgun option ._.
No, taser-weilding goons stealing all my AP!
Stahlseele
get your shotgun skill high enough and shotgun them all.
spread-shot is beautifull against weaker enemies and the burst fire capable shotgun burst is beautifull for taking out bigger enemies!
seriously, the shotgun is hellishly OP in SRR! for single shot highest damage and great accuracy over ranges you could go with the rifle.
pistols and SMG are utterly worthless, as long as sniper and assault rifle both fall under the same skill actually.
ShadowDragon8685
Pistols are actually incredible useful, because you can abuse tasers just as much as the bad guys can. The only shame is that taser pistols don't benefit from the same instant, AP 0 reload other pistols do, but that might just make them utterly, brokenly overpowered.

I found a taser in the last mission, and I stowed my Ares hoverdrone in favor of it. Big Burnt Orc is nothing without any AP, military armor or no.


And the Enfield burst shotgun is not that good. Sure, you can shoot twice at somebody, but it takes 2 AP. With two AP, you could... Shoot twice at them anyway. And yes, it does have a higher critical hit range, but it uses five shells to do so.

I mean, it's okay... But it's not THAT okay.
X-Kalibur
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 3 2014, 05:49 PM) *
Pistols are actually incredible useful, because you can abuse tasers just as much as the bad guys can. The only shame is that taser pistols don't benefit from the same instant, AP 0 reload other pistols do, but that might just make them utterly, brokenly overpowered.

I found a taser in the last mission, and I stowed my Ares hoverdrone in favor of it. Big Burnt Orc is nothing without any AP, military armor or no.


And the Enfield burst shotgun is not that good. Sure, you can shoot twice at somebody, but it takes 2 AP. With two AP, you could... Shoot twice at them anyway. And yes, it does have a higher critical hit range, but it uses five shells to do so.

I mean, it's okay... But it's not THAT okay.


Exactly. I'd much rather full burst with an AR at that point or just take two normal shots with an SMG.
Wounded Ronin
Full auto rifle spam works much better in SRR than in SR3. smile.gif
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 3 2014, 09:51 PM) *
Exactly. I'd much rather full burst with an AR at that point or just take two normal shots with an SMG.


I was dual-wielding a Ruger Thunder and a taser in the last mission. I called mine "Herr Zap." smile.gif
Vegetaman
I played a pistol using street samurai. Added a bit of flair and challenge, IMO.
Bigity
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 28 2014, 06:47 PM) *
No, the Cyberware Essence and Nuyen Values over all are still wrong.
They fixed your ability to equip other runners with gear from your stash.
No way, no how, aside from med kits and grenades . . .
And it's still pretty railroady especially in the beginning.
And it just crashed on me too, which the first part never did actually.


Ok, so that's just a bug? I figured they were making them upgrade/bring their own gear. Was kinda pissed I couldn't give someone a gun I'd bought.
Stahlseele
The Game regards them a new character every time you get them on the mission screen.
So if you could give them stuff, it would be lost after the run.
Bigity
So is there even any point in playing then? Don't want to progress much if I can' upgrade the team's gear.
Epicedion
QUOTE (Bigity @ Mar 4 2014, 02:24 PM) *
So is there even any point in playing then? Don't want to progress much if I can' upgrade the team's gear.


They upgrade their own gear. They're characters, but not your characters, so you don't get to decide what skills and gear they get. They also earn money you can't spend and make dialogue choices you don't pick.
Wounded Ronin
Uh, my team doesn't misplace consumables I give them but they can't give it back to the stash after I give it to them.

They automatically upgrade skills and weapons.
ShadowDragon8685
Even if you're spending your own money to buy your own upgrades, if your chummer spends her money to buy you a new gun, you don't say no.

This especially annoys me with Eiger - she has three weapon slots, but by default will only bring a shotgun and a sniper rifle. Even if I like her choices of shotgun and sniper rifle, I wish I could give her my old assault rifle.
X-Kalibur
Or ANY assault rifle, for when enemies are between ranges for the shotgun and sniper.
Stahlseele
Yes, that worked better in DMS . .
nylanfs
I just wish you could transfer stuff from one char to another during a mission. Or at least switch active character.
Hocus Pocus
got dragonfall a few days back. One thing that this one was better in was the saves. The first game so many times the wife nagged me off to do something and I had to start completly over again. Now I can play a few minutes, save and go to something, come back right when i left off. nice!

in returns the sister and the telestrian elf babe were lookers. Daggerfall has some nice ones too.

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binarywraith
I loved the ending.

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ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (binarywraith @ Mar 6 2014, 01:57 AM) *
I loved the ending.

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Yep. I saw that and I was all "Oh cripes, him again."

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Wounded Ronin
I certainly appreciated some of the in character questions you had to consider at the end of the game. And I felt the game did a good job of keeping the adrenaline level up and intensity on in the end game as well.

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HBS just put something out on Facebook asking about your favorite character. For me I would have to say Dietrich. Everyone else was sort of a drama queen, I thought.
DrZaius
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 6 2014, 04:44 PM) *
HBS just put something out on Facebook asking about your favorite character. For me I would have to say Dietrich. Everyone else was sort of a drama queen, I thought.

Plot: Probably Glory.
Effectiveness: Eiger by a mile.

I ran with Glory, Eiger, and Dietrich throughout the whole game for the most part (my guy was a Decker named DOS BOOT). Dietrich was really good at... casting Haste on Eiger so she could shoot more fools. Glory was mediocre with her pistol, and tended to get into trouble when she was clawing people, but her Biotech saved my keister a number of times.
Vegetaman
Actually working on my own UGC after enjoying Dragonfall so much. Lighting and Conversation Trees and Triggers seem to have their nuances and complexity. About 30 hours in and still on the first map...
DrZaius
QUOTE (Vegetaman @ Mar 14 2014, 06:37 PM) *
Actually working on my own UGC after enjoying Dragonfall so much. Lighting and Conversation Trees and Triggers seem to have their nuances and complexity. About 30 hours in and still on the first map...


Keep at it! I need to get around finishing my UGC one of these days. I tell myself it's 80% done, but I imagine it's probably closer to 40.

A trick: Try to cut as many maps as possible. They take up so much time to make (at least for me) that if you can get rid of them they can make the process much more efficient. Having the Johnson call your runner as opposed to meet him in a generic bar just saved you 5 hours of fiddling with rugs and jukeboxes.

-DrZ
Vegetaman
QUOTE (DrZaius @ Mar 14 2014, 04:41 PM) *
Keep at it! I need to get around finishing my UGC one of these days. I tell myself it's 80% done, but I imagine it's probably closer to 40.

A trick: Try to cut as many maps as possible. They take up so much time to make (at least for me) that if you can get rid of them they can make the process much more efficient. Having the Johnson call your runner as opposed to meet him in a generic bar just saved you 5 hours of fiddling with rugs and jukeboxes.

-DrZ


Oh man I just spent like 4 hours last night working on an exterior map and only made like 3 buildings and a street. It's hard to make it look good or reasonable. I need to rethink some of my maps, lol.
bannockburn
Try importing the maps from the official content and have them as scenes in your content to look up stuff.
It helps.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 15 2014, 11:11 AM) *
Try importing the maps from the official content and have them as scenes in your content to look up stuff.
It helps.


I would advise this only if the scene is actually the same one. Meeting at the actual bar from Dead Man's Switch is fine - it must be a Redmond fixture, that's understandable. Meeting at a bar that inexplicably looks exactly like it, but isn't, breaks immersion faster than you can say "Deja vu."
bannockburn
Uh. I wasn't suggesting outright copying the stuff. But you can learn a lot about how the dudes making the original campaign(s) mask issues with graphics tiles, or which tiles to use to achieve a certain look.
ShadowDragon8685
Ah.

See, one of the largest UGCs for Dead Man's Switch is the one that's trying to recreate the feel of the Shadowrun game. They do re-use maps from the single-player campaign wholesale, and often try to pretend that some of the most distinctive set-pieces are new and unique locations, which is very derp.
bannockburn
Yes, I've seen it. It would be cool if they just said that it were the same places (bit lazy, but okay, I guess, at least the DMS campaign established a few locations), but that's one of the reasons I don't particularly like that UGC.


One of these days I'll resume working on DNA / DOA.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 16 2014, 10:45 AM) *
Yes, I've seen it. It would be cool if they just said that it were the same places (bit lazy, but okay, I guess, at least the DMS campaign established a few locations), but that's one of the reasons I don't particularly like that UGC.


Yeah, that, and you could throw in the NPCs from those campaigns. Coyote as a Hero of Another Story, fr'instance, or Cherry Bomb...

But no, he just threw set-pieces at us and pretended they were somewhere new. >_<


Wounded Ronin
The amount of time to create a good mod has always been the biggest obstacle in my opinion.

For a number of years I was really preoccupied with the idea of a good Deus Ex (original) mod. I tried my hand at level design but never got more than a test room with a staircase even though I spent a lot of time researching and fiddling around.

So, yeah, I would concur that for something that a person wants to actually release especially for a contest they should decide which scenes are essential and most cool, and cover the rest with in game phone calls or stuff like that.

That kind of reminds me of Planescape: Torment. You could theoretically have a world class game based on characters, dialogue, or whatever, just by writing a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Tolstoy novel and having that be a major part of the game. If you did it well you could portray all kinds of things that would be hard to portray using animations or what have you.

I guess inspiration comes easy but so does burnout and time constraints, so rigorous project planning is actually the foundation of a successful mod/custom scenario.
Tiralee
Finally got around to smashing through Dragonfall - So much better than the Dead Man's Switch, it was embarrassing.

Juicy characters, simple, effective story (some awesome shoutouts and easter eggs.) and it really did feel like a good, decent run with friends. Even down to the point where the longest a spirit would hang around for Detrich was 1 (one) turn. Through the entire game. It felt like a running gag (and it was left on AP 1)

I would have loved to have fed some decent guns over to my teammates (I used some of the mercs for one mission, wasn't impressed) but there were some missions that were stand-out great, like the "Assault on Azzie-land" which only got to shooting once I met the bloodmages. (CHA 8 elf:)) made it out of there with 1 turn left on the generators (yeah, I timed that badly) and 2 turns before the response team came bursting through the door.

The other standout was the final battle. Messy, chaotic, stupid rolls on the part of my team, but we overcame.

Worst aspect? Running my sorry ass through the dungeon-like underpassages of the lair and once again stumbling across crap that's just designed to suck up precious med packs. Way too much like the end of the Switch, where you're just SICK of seeing bug spirits magically pop out again, when you KNOW that a decent weapon foci could make it all better.

Less bugs - seriously great music. Made Blitz cry. Loved Dante (He was a wrecking-ball!) but I'd have really liked to have ported my characters from the switch to this one, because that would have been some serious pink-mohawk running.

Someone smarter than me can answer this, but is there a save-editor for your character, so I can re-create favourites and punch them through dragonfall?

I also concur with previous posts - I'd prefer it if my stupidly-expensive powers be "always on" - same goes for the opposition. If I'm a wired street monster and they're popping Kam to meet me on even footing, so be it. Modifying weapons would be awesome as well - but I did think the Ruger Thunderbolt with all the trimmings and a very high quickness, ranged and pistols got way OP pretty fast. (The Alpha remains balanced though - but it'd be nice to be able to fire grenades through the inbuilt grenade-launcher)

BTW, who else enjoyed using the blooper on the junkies during MkIV? Hilarious.

-Tir
binarywraith
You can use the Editor to enable character import for Dragonfall, if you want to run it with your Dead Man's Switch character.
Tiralee
Ooh, thanks B-Wraith.

I've another odd question, before I do it - Run with a smartlinked thunderbolt, a normal thunderbolt and the Expensive handbuild? As a stupid-high quickness with ranged and pistols, the ability to do burst-fire, burst fire, high crit and then think about taking cover looks good.

...Oh dear, I think I've worked out why I'd run with 2 x Areas Alphas - full-auto for EVERYONE! (Although the free pistol reload is so awesome.)
And yes, full-auto works so much better in SRR than SR3..or 2 for that matter.

-Tir
Stahlseele
6 bullet full auto is trivial to do in SR3 O.o
Tiralee
6-round burst, yes.

Going full-auto with the HVAR, turn after turn, after turn, made for fun rolls:)
-Tir
Sendaz
Is it true in the next expansion they are adding a Full Auto Taser Dart Rifle? nyahnyah.gif

*watches CanRay start going purple*
ShadowDragon8685
They had a taser pistol in the game. One shot only, and, wouldn't you know it, it was exempt from free reload from having a high enough Pistols score. I shelved my Ares drone for one when I found it in a ground-level locker on the final mission.

I called it Herr Zap. It was very handy. If it had had free reloads and I could have stacked Haste and the adrenaline surge bioware together... Ooooh, that would've been potent.
Wounded Ronin
Definitely, some of the battles going on at the end of Dragonfall were hairy and epic indeed.

For me, few things are as exciting at the end of a long campaign than an epic battle. It's like the end of Platoon, or Zulu.

I remember playing the old first person shooter Damage Incorporated, which was one of the first FPS games where you go to command a squad of marines in real time in a 3d FPS environment. One of the things that made it memorable was your squaddies would make smartass comments while mowing down enemies. One guy was basically like John Wayne and while firing, he would say in a John Wayne voice, "By the time we're through, we're going to need a garbage truck for all these bodies."

In Jagged Alliance 2, since you could repeatedly fight battles in the same maps, dead bodies would not only stay but eventually they would decay and get eaten by crows.

Would it crash SR:R to have persistent bodies? In those end battles where there are loads and loads of enemies, I think it would add to the sense of desperation or Zulu-ness if you started accumulating big piles of bodies getting closer and closer to your defensive line. I wonder if someone has or is going to figure out a way to have persistent bodies for a particularly desperate final battle. And then afterwards all the characters are standing around and going through their final dialogue lines surrounded by the persistent mountains of bodies that had organically grown from the preceding battle they had just survived.
Umidori
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 6 2014, 03:44 PM) *
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Mar 10 2014, 12:18 PM) *
Plot: Probably Glory.
Effectiveness: Eiger by a mile.

I ran with Glory, Eiger, and Dietrich throughout the whole game for the most part (my guy was a Decker named DOS BOOT). Dietrich was really good at... casting Haste on Eiger so she could shoot more fools. Glory was mediocre with her pistol, and tended to get into trouble when she was clawing people, but her Biotech saved my keister a number of times.

I actually had the exact opposite experience.

Glory's backstory was too "broken bird" for me and strangely predictable, while I found Eiger to be realistic and relateable, if not all that much harder to read. It also helped that the interplay between Eiger and the player character felt more meaningful, trying to keep the team running smoothly despite her active dislike of the PC.

As for effectiveness, maybe it was just the dice gods or gremlins, but Eiger couldn't hit the broad side of a barn for me. She'd have solid hit percentages and she'd just miss over and over and over. Meanwhile, Glory was just reliable through and through - she'd miss every so often, especially with the Savalette, but she always seemed to come through at just the critical moment where I needed a kill because Eiger took four 95% shots in a row and whiffed every last one of them.

~Umi
Blade
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 12:17 AM) *
Would it crash SR:R to have persistent bodies? In those end battles where there are loads and loads of enemies, I think it would add to the sense of desperation or Zulu-ness if you started accumulating big piles of bodies getting closer and closer to your defensive line. I wonder if someone has or is going to figure out a way to have persistent bodies for a particularly desperate final battle. And then afterwards all the characters are standing around and going through their final dialogue lines surrounded by the persistent mountains of bodies that had organically grown from the preceding battle they had just survived.


I don't know if it would crash the game. Probably not unless there really are hordes of enemies. It might make the screen more difficult to read, though.
In a UGC, I think it's possible to have a hack that will leave a persistent body when an enemy is killed.
Iduno
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 6 2014, 04:44 PM) *
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HBS just put something out on Facebook asking about your favorite character. For me I would have to say Dietrich. Everyone else was sort of a drama queen, I thought.


Dietrich was solid for me the entire game, although it was to keep up haste on other characters towards the end.
Eiger was good, but I kept wanting to change her ware or weapon.
Glory felt weaker than she was supposed to be, until I figured out she had +1 ap cyberware and could choose different types of attacks for her blades. It took me way too long to figure that out.

I remembered the mercenaries in the original campaign being better than the other characters you got, maybe worth the money they cost. I don't think I would have used any of the mercenaries in Dragonfall, even if they didn't cost anything.
Remnar
Haven't finished Dragonfall yet, I've been saving the end for a bit... to savor it before I replay.

I HAVE, however, just started playing the Shadowrun UNLIMITED UGC again and, wow, that's gotten much better. I love the current rendition of the matrix and matrix runs (I almost always play deckers), reminds me of playing the old Genesis game in the sense that I just toss the game on while watching TV and do random matrix runs for cash, over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

If you haven't tried that UGC or haven't played it recently, give it a spin.
Stahlseele
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