phlapjack77
Feb 11 2011, 05:48 AM
Really? I haven't come across the "Yankee" thing much, except in movies...my (limited) exp. with non-English speaking countries tends to call us "Americans" as well...
And since you're not from the US, my joke was that to a southerner, being called a Yankee is also insulting
CanRay
Feb 11 2011, 06:03 AM
It's from movies that people learn it in other countries.
I remember hearing about some European Tourists that went to Chicago, and was disappointed that there wasn't Gangsters in the streets everywhere. (Tourists being stupid is pretty much a world-wide event.).
There are lots of places in the world that still think Canada is like the "Prince Rupert's Land" propaganda the Hudson's Bay Company put out centuries ago. You know, a frigid, ice-filled place with no reason to emigrate there.
Fortinbras
Feb 11 2011, 06:31 AM
Calling a Southerner a Yankee is like calling someone from Nanking Japanese.
However, leave it to a Yankee to argue in favor of the knife in a gun fight.
phlapjack77
Feb 11 2011, 07:07 AM
QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Feb 11 2011, 02:31 PM)

However, leave it to a Yankee to argue in favor of the knife in a gun fight.
?

Although in this story, arguing in favor of the knife seems warranted...
Fortinbras
Feb 11 2011, 08:14 AM
Absolutely. You'd have to be a complete fool to carry a gun when a perfectly good knife will do.
CanRay
Feb 11 2011, 08:18 AM
Speaking of the Knife Vs. Firearm argument, I found a quote from one of my stories that fits:
“I, I got a gun, man! You're a fool to bring a knife to a gunfight!”
“Then shoot. Go ahead, shoot. And, after you've shot me, and made me all the angrier, I will cut you long, and slow, and deep. I will cut you in a way that even if a street doc were here right now, he couldn't save you. And then you'd be faced with a choice, keep your guts inside your body to live that much longer, or let them fall out, feeling the cold invade the core of your being, in order for a quicker death.”
Tyro
Feb 11 2011, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 11 2011, 12:18 AM)

Speaking of the Knife Vs. Firearm argument, I found a quote from one of my stories that fits:
“I, I got a gun, man! You're a fool to bring a knife to a gunfight!”
“Then shoot. Go ahead, shoot. And, after you've shot me, and made me all the angrier, I will cut you long, and slow, and deep. I will cut you in a way that even if a street doc were here right now, he couldn't save you. And then you'd be faced with a choice, keep your guts inside your body to live that much longer, or let them fall out, feeling the cold invade the core of your being, in order for a quicker death.”
Wow. That's siggable. Not my sig - I like my activist schtick - but very siggable.
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 10 2011, 10:03 PM)

It's from movies that people learn it in other countries.
I remember hearing about some European Tourists that went to Chicago, and was disappointed that there wasn't Gangsters in the streets everywhere. (Tourists being stupid is pretty much a world-wide event.).
There are lots of places in the world that still think Canada is like the "Prince Rupert's Land" propaganda the Hudson's Bay Company put out centuries ago. You know, a frigid, ice-filled place with no reason to emigrate there.
Fortunately, not all travelers are tourists. If they were, we'd all go insane.
Or possibly issue hunting licenses
Kagetenshi
Feb 11 2011, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 11 2011, 12:34 AM)

Yeah, I got the full details from an Oakie. But, to most of the world, "Yankee" is synonymous with USAer, and considered more "Accurate" than "American", as that would also include everyone from countries in North, Central, and South America.
Except in Japan, where a "Yankee" is a juvenile delinquent.
~J
Sixgun_Sage
Feb 11 2011, 02:41 PM
Back to the French thing, as I was away for the day... the reason the frogs get such a hard time for WWII is because it is basically inconcievable to most peoples to give up your capital, the city that is the very symbol of the soveriegnty of a nation.
pbangarth
Feb 11 2011, 03:20 PM
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Feb 11 2011, 09:41 AM)

Back to the French thing, as I was away for the day... the reason the frogs get such a hard time for WWII is because it is basically inconcievable to most peoples to give up your capital, the city that is the very symbol of the soveriegnty of a nation.
Yeah, sort of like burning the capitol building, huh?
Sixgun_Sage
Feb 11 2011, 03:24 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 11 2011, 10:20 AM)

Yeah, sort of like burning the capitol building, huh?

Not the best counter point you could make considering the differances in military capabilities between the fledgeling America of 1812 and WWII France.
pbangarth
Feb 11 2011, 03:25 PM
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Feb 11 2011, 10:24 AM)

Not the best counter point you could make considering the differances in military capabilities between the fledgeling America of 1812 and WWII France.
Hence the wink.
Sixgun_Sage
Feb 11 2011, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 11 2011, 10:25 AM)

Hence the wink.
Sorry, any time someone mentions the war of 1812 it makes me twitch, had a guy in my world history class with some very deeply held erroneous beliefs...
Tyro
Feb 11 2011, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Feb 11 2011, 07:24 AM)

Not the best counter point you could make considering the differances in military capabilities between the fledgeling America of 1812 and WWII France.
But it's funny 'cause the Canadians did it!
*cue the Arrogant Worms*
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Feb 11 2011, 07:31 AM)

Sorry, any time someone mentions the war of 1812 it makes me twitch, had a guy in my world history class with some very deeply held erroneous beliefs...
Such as? *curious*
pbangarth
Feb 11 2011, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 11 2011, 02:10 PM)

But it's funny 'cause the Canadians did it!
*cue the Arrogant Worms*
Such as? *curious*
Well, to be honest it was the British army that did it. Britain was the primary force resisting the U.S. invasion. Canadians often have an inflated view of how much contribution the colonists of the time made to that war. To be honest, we owe our independence more to the native peoples than the non-military European colonists.
Tyro
Feb 11 2011, 08:06 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 11 2011, 11:54 AM)

Well, to be honest it was the British army that did it. Britain was the primary force resisting the U.S. invasion. Canadians often have an inflated view of how much contribution the colonists of the time made to that war. To be honest, we owe our independence more to the native peoples than the non-military European colonists.
IIRC it was still Canadian troops. British war, British army, but the troops were from Canada.
pbangarth
Feb 11 2011, 10:17 PM
QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 11 2011, 03:06 PM)

IIRC it was still Canadian troops. British war, British army, but the troops were from Canada.
They were stationed in Canada, but most were still British. There were some combatants who were born/settled in the colony, but they were a minority. Many among them were British Empire Loyalists, seen as ... well, loyal, by the British but traitors by the young USA.
A really balanced look at the war, one that debunks a lot of myths both Canadian and American, is
1812: War with America by Jon Latimer. An excellent read which I recommend highly. See
HERE for some reviews.
Canada was the only nation (not yet at the time, of course) to get anything out of the war, namely a strong push towards Confederation in 1867.
CanRay
Feb 11 2011, 10:45 PM
Hey, you say "UE Loyalists" like it was a bad thing.
Wounded Ronin
Feb 11 2011, 11:28 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 11 2011, 01:03 AM)

It's from movies that people learn it in other countries.
I remember hearing about some European Tourists that went to Chicago, and was disappointed that there wasn't Gangsters in the streets everywhere. (Tourists being stupid is pretty much a world-wide event.).
There are lots of places in the world that still think Canada is like the "Prince Rupert's Land" propaganda the Hudson's Bay Company put out centuries ago. You know, a frigid, ice-filled place with no reason to emigrate there.
Maybe they watched that Ginger Snaps movie that was set in historical Canada and took it very literally.
Fortinbras
Feb 12 2011, 06:06 AM
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 11 2011, 07:28 PM)

Maybe they watched that Ginger Snaps movie that was set in historical Canada and took it very literally.
Ginger Snaps was a documentary, shot in real time.
CanRay
Feb 12 2011, 06:15 AM
So, I finally found out about a knife you can bring to a gunfight. Apparently it's Russian in design and is a 4-shot .22 Derringer as well as a Ballistic Knife (Or something to that effect.).
Just to try and get us back on topic.
phlapjack77
Feb 12 2011, 07:12 AM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 12 2011, 02:15 PM)

So, I finally found out about a knife you can bring to a gunfight. Apparently it's Russian in design and is a 4-shot .22 Derringer as well as a Ballistic Knife (Or something to that effect.).
Just to try and get us back on topic.
Wasn't there a thread a little while ago about this?
Ahhh, there it is...
Cervantes
CanRay
Feb 12 2011, 07:26 AM
Uh, no. This is a RL Blade (I can't find where I found it originally). A series of barrels in the handle of the knife, set off in sequence. The knife is then propelled by a strong spring that can penetrate a good number of armor types that don't have the Trauma Plate attached.
I've found Ballistic Knifes that don't include the derringer (And, well, seeing as it's a .22, I'm not surprised), and remember that The Punisher loves him his Ballistic Knives.
Dahrken
Feb 12 2011, 09:41 AM
There is a similar chinese design, but the shots are fired along the blade rather than out of the back of the handle.
phlapjack77
Feb 12 2011, 09:48 AM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 12 2011, 03:26 PM)

Uh, no. This is a RL Blade...
sorry, it was the same topic but a different post I meant to link to:
Uh, yes
CanRay
Feb 12 2011, 09:54 AM
Oh yeah, that revolver. A few of my Deadlands players was interested in that when I showed them the Knuckleduster's Firearms Shop.
Sixgun_Sage
Feb 12 2011, 02:29 PM
It is all about options.
KarmaInferno
Feb 12 2011, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 12 2011, 01:15 AM)

So, I finally found out about a knife you can bring to a gunfight. Apparently it's Russian in design and is a 4-shot .22 Derringer as well as a Ballistic Knife (Or something to that effect.).
Just to try and get us back on topic.
NRS-3 Shooty Ballistic Knife Thingy.
-k
Tyro
Feb 12 2011, 04:08 PM
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 11 2011, 02:17 PM)

They were stationed in Canada, but most were still British. There were some combatants who were born/settled in the colony, but they were a minority. Many among them were British Empire Loyalists, seen as ... well, loyal, by the British but traitors by the young USA.
A really balanced look at the war, one that debunks a lot of myths both Canadian and American, is
1812: War with America by Jon Latimer. An excellent read which I recommend highly. See
HERE for some reviews.
Canada was the only nation (not yet at the time, of course) to get anything out of the war, namely a strong push towards Confederation in 1867.
*puts it on hold at the library*
Thanks for setting me straight. Seriously, I appreciate it.
pbangarth
Feb 12 2011, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 12 2011, 11:08 AM)

*puts it on hold at the library*
Thanks for setting me straight. Seriously, I appreciate it.
De nada, señor.
Tyro
Feb 12 2011, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Feb 12 2011, 06:44 AM)

That knife had an appearance in metal gear solid 2
CanRay
Feb 12 2011, 05:02 PM
I think that's the knife I heard about, thank you!
CanadianWolverine
Feb 12 2011, 06:17 PM
I am trying to refine my google searches but it just doesn't seem to be working out - I am trying to dust off a distant memory of stories through out history where one man faced many and came out on top and I think a good number of them were about someone holding a doorway or hallway and defending it.
The train car probably had a similar effect when it came to the ex-former Gurkha vs 40 train bandits.
I like re-reading this story and trying to picture in my imagination how he did it, the article gives a good hint when it says he got the drop on the rapists from just under a meter or two (the width of a seat that seats, what, 2 people?) and then uses one of them as a human shield. It must have been really fast, the lady must have gotten the cut in that initial scrum and then he probably used the human shield to charge the remaining what, 36?, train bandits. Dude probably pulled some moves on them that had them questioning their sanity it was probably so fast.
Critias
Feb 12 2011, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Feb 12 2011, 01:17 PM)

The train car probably had a similar effect when it came to the ex-former Gurkha vs 40 train bandits.
Almost certainly. It's the same principle behind choosing a tiny pass at Thermopylae, for instance, or the Viking at Stamford Bridge; claustrophobia favors the individual over the group (and even moreso the less trained the group). If you can fight folks one at a time, the 40 dudes standing behind the first one aren't
immediate threats any more. It turns into a matter of endurance, sure, but one at a time beats the heck out of all 40 at once.
In related news (one man vs. many, with blades, on a train):
The Hunted, Samurai vs. Ninjas!
Wounded Ronin
Feb 12 2011, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Feb 12 2011, 09:44 AM)

I like the picture of Gunther Hermann's skul gun at the top of the thread.
CanRay
Apr 28 2011, 11:10 PM
Necroposting this because I had a glee moment.
My FLGS (Which also stocks a number of other items, including being the city's only Army Surplus Store!) just got a bunch of Kukris from Nepal. It only took a few days for more than half the stock to fly off the shelves.
The funny part:
They ordered weapons, from overseas? No problems.
They ordered a tent, from the USA? Issues upon issues at the border.
Free trade my hoop!
Bigity
Apr 29 2011, 12:48 AM
QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Feb 9 2011, 11:51 PM)

Ummm, you do realize that the French
practically invented smokeless powder, right? And that they basically fought the Germans to a standstill in WWI (despite the fantastically awful Chauchat)? And that they built the
first truly modern tank? And that they
destroyed the entire Ivorian Air Force in 2004?
I'm sorry, but the French have some seriously scary dudes waiting to do violence in the night (13eme RDP, Legion Etrange, Chasseurs Alpines, to name but three units). They get a bad rap for World War II (unjustifiedly so, in my opinion) and everyone seems to ignore their actions before or since.
Probably because DeGaul was an ass. The Vichy resistance fighters were some tough and resolute people though, French or not.
CanRay
Apr 29 2011, 12:55 AM
QUOTE (Bigity @ Apr 28 2011, 07:48 PM)

Probably because DeGaul was an ass.
He got worse after the war from the Canadian perspective.
Grinder
Apr 29 2011, 10:54 AM
Quick reminder:
4. Discussion of politics, religion, and sex are prohibited, except as they directly pertain to Shadowrun or another game. Discussions on these subjects will be watched closely, and any innapropriate posts may result in warnings or suspensions.
No harm done so far; posted it just to remind you of our ToS.
CanRay
Apr 29 2011, 03:23 PM
Actually Grinder, sorry I didn't point this out, but the Canadian perspective of DeGaul actually does pertain to Shadowrun. He is often seen as the modern speaker of a "Free Quebec", and started the concept of the province separating from the country in the current lifteime IRL, and thus in Shadowrun's history as well.
Thus, he'd be one of the "Founding Fathers" of The Republic Of Quebec in Shadowrun.
sabs
Apr 29 2011, 03:35 PM
My Grandfather was a Maquis Resistance Fighter, and he's a card carrying member of the "In DeGaul We Hate" Fan Club. Though I wouldn't call them Vichy resistance fighters

Vichy was the turncoat government of Nazi apologists. We hanged those bastards.
France gets a bad rap because of WWII. And to be honest, it should. WWII was a nightmare in Bureaucratic stupidity. My grandfather had tons of bullets, and plenty of rifles. Only problem, the bullets didn't fit in the rifle. Add to it cannons that are cemented so they can't be turned, and this assinine idea that Germany would never violate Belgium neutrality twice... and you get the 7 day war.
The Airpilots that could, all flew to England, and were instrumental in both doing raids in Europe, and defending England from the Luftwafa, The French Atlantic Navy went to England. The French Mediterranean Navy took their boats out to the edges of the ports and sank their ships. Creating natural blockades that took months for the Germans to clear up.
Sadly some of them turned, and surrended in Algeria, and so French Navy ships fired on British and US troops in Africa. But saying that the French Military rolled over is a misnommer, the soldiers were ready and willing to fight. The problem is that the Vichy Government surrendered, and the French Soldiers had no backing.
France has some impressive special forces. Legion Estranger, Chasseurs Alpines. They're no Ghurkas.. but damn.. who is.
CanRay
Apr 29 2011, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (sabs @ Apr 29 2011, 10:35 AM)

France has some impressive special forces. Legion Estranger, Chasseurs Alpines. They're no Ghurkas.. but damn.. who is.
The few rare individuals in other countries that earn their nation's equivalent of the VC and the MOH. Or, you know, people who have earned the VC or MOH.
For a standing army or special forces, well, if they eat their Wheaties and be good little boys and girls they might re-incarnate as Ghurkas.
Grinder
Apr 29 2011, 04:17 PM
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 29 2011, 05:23 PM)

Actually Grinder, sorry I didn't point this out, but the Canadian perspective of DeGaul actually does pertain to Shadowrun. He is often seen as the modern speaker of a "Free Quebec", and started the concept of the province separating from the country in the current lifteime IRL, and thus in Shadowrun's history as well.
Thus, he'd be one of the "Founding Fathers" of The Republic Of Quebec in Shadowrun.
I see. Thanks for the info.
CanRay
Apr 29 2011, 04:42 PM
The major piss off (Sorry, have to say it), is that the people he was addressing and thanking for their "Great War Effort" were the same people that tried everything in their power to prevent the Draft from passing in WWI and WWII! And then completely and utterly ignored the rest of Canada completely (Even the other Francophone populations!).
So, yeah, when I see how Shadowrun has turned the Republic of Quebec into such a slot of a country, well, I smile a bit inside.
pbangarth
Apr 29 2011, 07:00 PM
The idea of Québec separation predates De Gaulle's visit. The Canadian government was worried about his visit because of Canada's position on the Suez Crisis, in which France was one of the invading countries and Canada was a proponent of peaceful negotiation. (The Prime Minister at the time of De Gaulle's visit was Lester B. Pearson, who at the time of the Suez Crisis worked the first UN peacekeeping mission there, action that won him the Nobel Peace Prize).
As the Canadian government feared, stirring up Québec separatist sentiment was a way for De Gaulle to stick it to Canada for interfering in his imperialism, though his remarks at the outset of his trip suggest his bile stems from the war between the British and French ending in Canada in 1763, in which France is considered to have abandoned thousands of colonists in Québec to the British.
Shadowrun's take on the Republic of Québec magnifies the worst of the characteristics of the separation movement, perhaps the same elements of which De Gaulle made use. Broad brush strokes make for good copy.
CanRay
Apr 29 2011, 08:04 PM
Thanks Pb. I knew it was an issue before, but not how much before he fired it up again. So left it unsaid rather than sound like a COMPLETE idiot. Now I only sound like an incomplete idiot.
...
Wait, that's not right.
Anyhow, back on topic, I now have another reason I can't go to my FLGS. I want to buy too many books, dice, army surplus (Really have my eye on a Swiss Paratrooper Tin Pot!), and now Nepalese swords.
Kyoto Kid
Apr 30 2011, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 8 2011, 08:58 AM)

You're also assuming that the person with the knife doesn't secure your firearm that you haven't cleared yet. I mean come on people, combat isn't rock-em, sock-em robots.
...you haven't met my Hurricane Hannah. She literally did knock someone's block off in a fight.
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