Tzeentch
May 17 2004, 09:16 PM
Phaeton
May 17 2004, 09:28 PM
HAH! Those are great! Lot better than Prescott...
...Best sig ever, by the way.
Rock-Steady
May 17 2004, 10:47 PM
LOL
I like them...
JongWK
May 18 2004, 12:09 AM
MORE!!!
We.Want.More!
Smiley
May 18 2004, 12:36 AM
Sweeeeeet. New character based on Ork giving the finger, coming right up.
Kagetenshi
May 18 2004, 01:20 AM
My, but the Drain one would probably make more sense if I could read Japanese.
~J
Kanada Ten
May 18 2004, 01:36 AM
Congratulations on getting a scanner, Tzeentch. And thanks for posting the pictures.
Neon Tiger
May 18 2004, 06:49 AM
Does anyone know enough Japanese to translate the mini-mangas?
And Tzeentch, got more of those?
Tzeentch
May 18 2004, 07:29 AM
Updated with another five images ...
FXcalibur
May 18 2004, 11:11 AM
Whoa, I'd buy it just for the novelty of having it

Is the book available outside of Japan?
Abstruse
May 18 2004, 11:57 AM
That's now the portrait for my decker character...
MORE!!!!!!!!
The Abstruse One
winterhawk11
May 18 2004, 02:57 PM
Those are very cool! I second the request about where to get the book--I'd love to have a copy of it just for the art!
hobgoblin
May 18 2004, 03:08 PM
oh man, that pool comic was damn funny

kinda like something you would expect in a ranma comic
BrianL03
May 18 2004, 04:04 PM
Curse you kanji and your thwarting of my reading the manga explanations! >_<
A sad thing is, I think I might have understood the rules a lot quicker if I had complete literacy in Japanese as well as that book...
BrianL03
Japanese 1
------R/W 1
Erebus
May 18 2004, 04:21 PM
This *almost* makes me wish some gaming company in Tokyo picked up Shadowrun instead of Wizkids.

Awesome pictures!
simonw2000
May 18 2004, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Neon Tiger) |
Does anyone know enough Japanese to translate the mini-mangas? |
I was about to say that!
Koneko
May 18 2004, 05:42 PM
Actually it's about the benefits of wearing armor.
Roughly translated it's something like... (remember it's Japanese so read the page from right to left)
Panel 1:
Damage Resistance!
[the boxes under the girl and guy say "No Armor" and "Armor Jacket" respectively]
"Let's perform an experiment. These people have different protective levels, but..."
Panel 2:
"...what happens when they're shot with a gun!?"
"GYAAAAAAAAH!!!!"
*pratatatatatatata* (that's the sound of the gun)
Panel 3:
[the boxes under the girl and guy say something like "Shot to bits" and "Nothing happened" respectively]
"THAT WAS DANGEROUS YOU IDIOT!"
"Get into a gunfight without armor and it will be over as fast as possible." (I can't translate this line well, but i think it's *something* along those lines)
I'll translate the others later, but hopefully someone with better Japanese than me will come by and do it in about 5 minutes
CardboardArmor
May 18 2004, 05:58 PM
That dice pool one was the greatest thing ever. The next time someone asks me how the dice system works, I'll just hand them that picture and let them figure it out. Little cartoon characters and writing in a language you can't understand actually makes Shadowrun rules and concepts a lot easier to understand. I think that whole 'lesser reliance on words and more on pictures and icons' thing that happens in Shadowrun might actually catch on...
simonw2000
May 18 2004, 09:41 PM
I think the shaman and mage picture is quite clear.
simonw2000
May 18 2004, 09:43 PM
Anyone know the translation for the one to do with Drain?
JavaLamp
May 18 2004, 10:17 PM
I'm working on translating them all and editing the pictures so they have english, I've already edited a few of the simple ones, I'm doing the drain one right now.
-JL
~~~~~~~~~~~
Anybody have some space I can store them to?
Kagetenshi
May 18 2004, 10:33 PM
I can toss them up on SotSW.net if you want; email is my username @kanshishakage.net if you're interested.
~J
JavaLamp
May 18 2004, 10:35 PM
Sounds good to me, I just finished Drain, I'm working on them in the order they're posted above. I'll send you what I've got.
-JL
Kagetenshi
May 18 2004, 11:00 PM
Here they are. I may actually turn that into a proper page at some point, but for right now the list ought to do.
~J
Kagetenshi
May 18 2004, 11:29 PM
Updated. That dierolling thing is apparently an explanation of karma rerolls.
~J
A Clockwork Lime
May 18 2004, 11:50 PM
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but... this art really bites. It's all right, I guess, for fans of anime or manga or whatever, but ugh. I'd rather see nothing but Laubenstein and Prescott's work than anything like this finding its way into the sourcebooks.
I appreciate the sharing of the art, though. It's always cool to see another culture's take on concepts and ideas.
Shadow
May 18 2004, 11:53 PM
I second that. As mang/anime goes it is really medicore. Go to elfwood and you can find a hundred better artist to do work for Shadowrun.
Arethusa
May 19 2004, 12:02 AM
It's not alright, even for people who like anime. It's pretty much standard bad manga art. I will say that it's better than almost anything FASA and FanPro generally publish (there are a few very rare exceptions that rise above the level of abysmal mediocrity that seems to cut it for them), but that's not exactly something to write home about. And the style itself absolutely does not suit SR, or anything with any amount of grit, for that matter.
Mini sam, on the other hand, is wonderfully cute and cute and wonderful all at once. And besides, good art or no, it's fairly interesting.
CardboardArmor
May 19 2004, 12:19 AM
I maintain that its ability to boil down complex concepts to relatively simple pictures and a few sentences is its greatest selling point. Art be damned, it's just the medium the information is conveyed to you in.
Though, I am pleased by the lack of katanas so far in the art.
Arethusa
May 19 2004, 12:24 AM
True, it does have a very definite and attractive selling point in getting the information across easily to even the slowest of players. Shadowrun can be pretty daunting to the RPG-uninitiated.
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 12:25 AM
Ok, I sent the last of it off to Kagetenshi, they should be posted soon
Enjoy!
-JL
CardboardArmor
May 19 2004, 12:27 AM
Thanks for the translation work, Java. I feel kind of bad looking at these without saying it.
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 12:45 AM
Meh, the hardest bit was editing the images, I'm horrid at that, it's not like I put too much effort into making a 'professional level' translation or anything.
Anyhow, thanks, and enjoy the translations.
-JL
Tzeentch
May 19 2004, 01:01 AM
The original images were scanned at 600 dpi. I then ran them through Photoshop to clean them up a little and drasticalyl cut down their file size.
Thanks for the translation!! If you need somewhere to store the images let me know and I'll place them with the originals.
Yes the art is typical manga quality, it's no Tenra Bansho Zero or anything
GreatChicken
May 19 2004, 01:02 AM

I thought Shadowrun wasn't all that nitty and gritty, and it had leeway for some offbeat stuff like this. I kinda like this take better. If only this stuff (translated) was around when I first started, I wouldn't have THAT much trouble learning the ropes.
Oh, thanks for the scans.
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 01:04 AM
It might be good to have the originals and translations stored together, redundancy in storage on the net is always a good thing.
So, yeah, go ahead, put 'em up with the originals, it'll make it easier when I show all my newb SR players how to play on Friday. mmm... shadowrun... I haven't played in soooooo long... I finally have a group, even *if* I have to teach them.
-JL
CardboardArmor
May 19 2004, 01:10 AM
I think the damage reduction one is broken. Is it supposed to be reading at 27k in filesize?
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 01:12 AM
Might be, it's 130,331 on my copy.
-JL
~~~~~~~~~
so, Tzeentch, shall I send them off to you?
hobgoblin
May 19 2004, 01:13 AM
its broken all right, opening it leads to a bad image that tells me nothing at all...
Tzeentch
May 19 2004, 01:22 AM
Uploaded another five images.
Nah, just keep the translations on that website and I'll shuttle them over myself.
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 01:27 AM
I'll get to more translation after work.. or something, I'll do 'em soon enough.
-JL
Kagetenshi
May 19 2004, 01:40 AM
Yep, the Damage Reduction one is broken due to an error in my FTP client. I'm going to fix it as soon as I get a chance, don't worry; just in the middle of a Shadowrun game and all

~J
otomik
May 19 2004, 02:06 AM
i can translate the weapons pic, see if this engrish sounds familiar:
1. He-kke-raa- & Ko-cch HK227 (thing looks a bit bigger than i imagined)
2. Ah-ru-su Pa-ru-da-ta (one again the RoboCop gun, picture looks like it fires a long cartridge like 10mm)
3. Mo-no-wi-ra-men-to Wi-ppu
JavaLamp
May 19 2004, 02:38 AM
Ok, so I got ambitious, I just finished doing Phase 3's translations and sent them to Kagetenshi. Enjoy!
-JL
~~~~~~
is now late for work
Arethusa
May 19 2004, 02:57 AM
More accurately,
Hekkeraa & Kohho(should be chyu?) HK227
Aresu Puredetaa
Monohuiramento Uippu
I don't know what's up with these illustrations. That HK227 looks less like an SMG and more like a bizarre (and kind of dumb) assault rifle with a bit of MSG90 mixed in for fun. That Predator is just a Beretta 93R AG Auto 9 (the Robocop gun), though, as noted, those bullets look a little .357 Magnum esque.
FXcalibur
May 19 2004, 03:50 AM
Heh, I prefer this take as well. Grit my ass, I hate the cyberpunk elements of shadowrun the most.
They should have tried some graphic explanation like this in the sourcebooks. The wading pool one made my SR-learning friends realize how to use in very quick measure.
GreatChicken
May 19 2004, 05:16 AM
QUOTE |
That HK227 looks less like an SMG and more like a bizarre (and kind of dumb) assault rifle with a bit of MSG90 mixed in for fun. |
Until you consider that it seems to follow H&K standard assault rifle design. It kinda reminds me of the G3-series (especially the G36) for some reason.
<EDIT> -Whoops. Misread.

Maybe the scope's a mod or something.
Arethusa
May 19 2004, 05:24 AM
Uh, GreatChicken, the MSG90 is a Heckler & Koch built sniper rifle. It's seen some use with the US Marine Corps. That drawing o the HK227 looks a lot like a shortened MSG90. Unfortuantely, if you know guns, you know that the MSG90 is a cheaper and battlefield viable version of the PSG-1, which is itself based on the G3 rifle. None of these are sane design choices for a submachinegun. But, hell, the fact that there's a scope on that HK227 is bad enough.
Kagetenshi
May 19 2004, 05:30 AM
Ok, new stuff uploaded, damage resistance thing fixed. I'm pretty sure this is everything I've received.
~J
Austere Emancipator
May 19 2004, 06:13 AM
I don't think the HK227 in the Weapons.jpg picture looks like a H&K at all. None of the basic HK feature are there -- the trigger group, the feed, the stock, the upper receiver, the fore end, the barrel, the sights, all look like nothing in an existing HK firearm. Maybe, just maybe, the bit of barrel that you do see looks like the end of the barrel on an
MSG90A1, except that it really doesn't.
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